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Avenging_Mikon posted:Joe, I'm impressed. Stuff like this is why I can't hate Rogan, even if I think he's dumb. It doesn't matter because he's just gonna do the same thing again and again over and over. Duder doesn't make any attempt to better himself so the whole "I'm just an idiot" act is more malicious than honest.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It doesn't matter because he's just gonna do the same thing again and again over and over. Duder doesn't make any attempt to better himself so the whole "I'm just an idiot" act is more malicious than honest. the getting offended on purpose megathread
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Joe Rogan pretends to be an idiot but he's actually playing four-dimensional chess and his endgame is making fun of various war dances
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i too like to listen to uneducated stoners ramble on about nonsense because i never went through this phase back in my youth and it sounds like an exciting and dare i say "ironic" thing to do
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little munchkin posted:Joe Rogan pretends to be an idiot but he's actually playing four-dimensional chess and his endgame is making fun of various war dances Nah I'm not saying he is pretending to be an idiot, I'm saying repeatedly saying hosed up poo poo because of your idiocy and never really educating yourself is not demonstrably better or all that different from just being an rear end in a top hat which is why I don't give dudes like Rogan a pass.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT9e5Fw9Wi0 Contra debated Sargon. It was surprisingly civil and without any real WTF-level idiocy bombshells being dropped, which is weird considering its Sargon. Its cool that Contra's willing to throw herself out there like this.
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Archer666 posted:Contra debated Sargon. It was surprisingly civil and without any real WTF-level idiocy bombshells being dropped, which is weird considering its Sargon. Its cool that Contra's willing to throw herself out there like this. contra has the patience of a saint for doing this stuff. sargon bringing out his 'black families' argument again though zzzzzzz
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Who What Now posted:People keep saying he's satirical. What exactly is he satirising? Thats pretty much what it boils down to. To be honest, the weirdest thing for me out of all of this are the people who think that sitting around recording yourself playing video games all day is a noble, hardworking job.
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Sep 13, 2017 11:29
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Gorn Myson posted:The weirdest thing for me out of all of this are the people who think that sitting around recording yourself playing video games all day is a noble, hardworking job. "Noble" is goofy sounding but if someone does well for themselves streaming or doing LPs or whatever, should they stop and work something miserable instead? I mean even on the point of "hardworking", if you're not DSP level, recording a screen with a camcorder and making GBS threads unedited footage out onto youtube, you've probably put money and effort into setting up and testing around with better equipment, you've learned or are learning to edit videos properly, making sure the sound is actually nice to listen to and is leveled right, like you're not digging ditches but constantly recording, editing, coming up with worthwhile commentary or at least cultivating some kind of likable shtick, all of that isn't effortless either. And no this isn't a defense of the dumb turds that act like it's actually the hardest job in the world or anything.
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Lovechop posted:contra has the patience of a saint for doing this stuff. sargon bringing out his 'black families' argument again though zzzzzzz Destiny spent 3 hours explaining that poo poo to him, and he comes back with the same simplistic, dumbass argument that Black people need to be married more. It's almost as if Sargon's not arguing in good faith. 
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Also, too. One particular bone I have to pick with Contra is that she didn't have a rebuttal to Sargon's dumbass accusation that the left just wants to give poor people money when they actually want jobs. Motherfucker, we DO offer that! We're the ones that came up with the New Deal and got us out of the Depression. We're the ones who created 20 million more jobs under our administrations than Republican ones. Obama's stimulus was the biggest jobs program in history. In fairness, it's not just Contra, but almost no one on the mainstream left points this poo poo out. Usually when confronted by such an accusation, they settle for appealing to compassion and such, when you can make a much better and more effective argument. It drives me crazy!
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Yardbomb posted:"Noble" is goofy sounding but if someone does well for themselves streaming or doing LPs or whatever, should they stop and work something miserable instead? I mean even on the point of "hardworking", if you're not DSP level, recording a screen with a camcorder and making GBS threads unedited footage out onto youtube, you've probably put money and effort into setting up and testing around with better equipment, you've learned or are learning to edit videos properly, making sure the sound is actually nice to listen to and is leveled right, like you're not digging ditches but constantly recording, editing, coming up with worthwhile commentary or at least cultivating some kind of likable shtick, all of that isn't effortless either. And no this isn't a defense of the dumb turds that act like it's actually the hardest job in the world or anything.
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I haven't watched it yet, but did he offer any insight into why black people aren't married more? Because there's only three directions you can go in with that: 1) I'm a huge racist who thinks that they're just biologically incapable 2) I'm a not racist butt who thinks that it's 'Black Culture' to blame, but refuses to examine that further 3) Hmm, maybe there are some systemic and economic issues at play here which would be a good place to start digging (There's a fourth of "NWO Jews are keeping the black family apart to race mix the cultural marxist agenda" but yeah, no. That's what happens with #3 when you start digging at 'it couldn't possibly be my fault' and keep avoiding critical thought.) I'm guessing with Carlgon it's either #2 or he just refuses to think at all, they just need to get married more, that's all.
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Guavanaut posted:I haven't watched it yet, but did he offer any insight into why black people aren't married more? This is literally the same anti-intellectual approach they take to examining the pay gap. They hear, 'when you control for all variables the gap is really just a cent or two! The pay gap is because of choice!'' and figure that's the end of the discussion, rather than the beginning of several more. Like, 'why do women tend to enter lower paying careers?', 'Is women's work undervalued?', 'Are cultural expectations of motherhood impeding upward mobility of professional women?', etc. The completely miss the fact the conversation will eventually boil down to 'I believe these differences are innate//biological, and can't be changed', or 'I believe these differences are malleable/cultural, and can be changed' if pressed hard enough. More than anything else these idiots do, this proves calling these folks 'intellectuals' is a complete misnomer. It's the sociological equivalent of a scientists saying, 'Oh, matter is made of atoms, that answers everything!' and never asking, 'What are atoms made of? What are their properties?'
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Guavanaut posted:I haven't watched it yet, but did he offer any insight into why black people aren't married more? Yeah, it's no. 2. He stops just short of implying that Black people are naturally pre-disposed to having children out of wedlock. And can I once again point out just how facile this dipshit's "'arguments" are? I mean, they're nowhere close to being arguments, but rather statements that people should just blindly accept. He literally says that the solution to black poverty is for black people to get married more. I'm not exaggerating when I say he offers absolutely nothing beyond that. Meanwhile, Contra points out historical, social, political and economic reasons for why such problems exist, but no, Sargon's the "intellectual".
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Gorn Myson posted:Well thats good, because its those dumb turds that I was attacking in the first place. Ah I kind of figured, there's always a bunch of people who jump out of the woodwork to go "NOT A REAL JOB" about that kind of stuff so was just covering bases.  Mr Interweb posted:I mean, they're nowhere close to being arguments, but rather statements that people should just blindly accept. Welcome to the "skepticism" of today. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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I wish Contra had pushed harder on the redlining/housing discrimination angle. Historically, a major part of the transition from poverty to middle class status in the developed world has hinged on the acquisition of real estate, and a lot of middle class whites in 2017 are still financially drawing on housing investments made in the 60s and 70s. Meanwhile, black people in the 60s and 70s had to fight for legal action against restrictive covenant laws and loan discrimination that made it virtually impossible for them to join in on this "middle class train", while being further stymied by predatory landlords who extracted so much rent from them that other forms of capital buildup were also out of reach. By the time this situation had somewhat improved, the easy housing market of the post-war era had already disappeared and outright racial discrimination had been replaced by disproportionately impactful financial discrimination. When Sargon casually sits there and says yeah, going middle class is hard, just gotta deal with it, it's such a disgusting display of privilege and willful ignorance. The whole point of the argument is that it's that much harder for some groups for specific historical reasons, and that they deserve additional support for precisely this reason. Sargon calls this "racism". What a dipshit.
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Sphairon posted:I wish Contra had pushed harder on the redlining/housing discrimination angle. Historically, a major part of the transition from poverty to middle class status in the developed world has hinged on the acquisition of real estate, and a lot of middle class whites in 2017 are still financially drawing on housing investments made in the 60s and 70s. contra actually has an incredibly good video about baltimore that ends up going into a lot of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r6GBo_7UNc essential watch
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Don't forget the fact that the GI Bill, one of the biggest contributors to upward mobility and homeownership, was routinely denied to Black people.
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Where can I see the video? I can't find it in either youtube channel. Probably behind some temporary Patreon wall? Also isn't a big part of Contra's opinion that you shouldn't debate nazis/the alt-right. Seems counterproductive...
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Gorn Myson posted:To be honest, the weirdest thing for me out of all of this are the people who think that sitting around recording yourself playing video games all day is a noble, hardworking job. Uh, this is like saying being a voice actor isn't a real job because all you do is read a script all day. The internet, technology, etc, has changed the means of production. If it makes you a living, it is respectable, sometimes even if it doesn't! But if it does, awesome.
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WHY WONT THOSE BLACKS JUST GET MARRIED https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/13/median-wealth-of-black-americans-will-fall-to-zero-by-2053-warns-new-report
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Markovnikov posted:Where can I see the video? I can't find it in either youtube channel. Probably behind some temporary Patreon wall? Sargon is more alt-lite than alt-right. Like as mentioned above, he's more likely to blame black culture than claim blacks are biologically inferior to whites.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Work isnt even inherently noble or virtuous. Eh. I can see an argument to be made that people should always be doing something they feel to be productive; where the problem lies is tying that productivity to being able to live and introducing subjective and varying degrees of compensation. Take the capitalism out of work basically. If I spend all my day painting, I feel like there's virtue in being productive, in fact I think that is one of the 7 virtues diligence.
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painting or other artistic pursuits, even when done badly, are far more productive than streaming. unless you are very charming or have some weird gimmick you're just filming yourself talking while consuming someone else's creation. the value you're adding is your speech, and most people who want to make it big as an entertainer grossly overestimate how entertaining they are like imagine this, but even more awkward and boring. if people want to do this, fine, go nuts, but they definitely should't feel like it entitles them to a paycheck or any respect unless they hit that magic combination that draws some kind of audience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IukTiqAqVBM
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Raenir Salazar posted:I think that is one of the 7 virtues diligence. Chastity alas does not seem to improve internet neckbeards.
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fallenturtle posted:Sargon is more alt-lite than alt-right. Like as mentioned above, he's more likely to blame black culture than claim blacks are biologically inferior to whites. those arguments are nearly identical. boner confessor posted:painting or other artistic pursuits, even when done badly, are far more productive than streaming. unless you are very charming or have some weird gimmick you're just filming yourself talking while consuming someone else's creation. the value you're adding is your speech, and most people who want to make it big as an entertainer grossly overestimate how entertaining they are reportoftheweek is the best channel on youtube and it's criminal he doesn't do pewdiepie numbers. maybe if he screamed "RAPE" randomly a few times in there.
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He is too pure like the drinking water being reviewed. Can't get big numbers without doing something like changing the rating scale to feminism (bad) all the way to Milo's hair (excellent).
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Groovelord Neato posted:those arguments are nearly identical. They're both terrible and racist and dumb as poo poo, but one is passively terrible and the other actively terrible.
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If anyone here makes fun of reportoftheweek I'll call antifa and have you assaulted
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fallenturtle posted:Sargon is more alt-lite than alt-right. Like as mentioned above, he's more likely to blame black culture than claim blacks are biologically inferior to whites. The thing about blaming "black culture" is that it's ultimately the exact same thing as claiming either biological inferiority or that things are a result of systemic/structural issues. Like, if they're behaving differently there's gotta be some reason for that. Since they deny the latter, that only leaves the former.
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That's only if you have the intellectual curiosity to push it that far. Carl seems to get to "I don't care why" remarkably quickly. You could also claim that both positive and negative cultural phenomena can arise spontaneously among groups, which they can, but for that to be explanatory on its own you'd have to explain why "black people have bad memes."
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boner confessor posted:painting or other artistic pursuits, even when done badly, are far more productive than streaming. unless you are very charming or have some weird gimmick you're just filming yourself talking while consuming someone else's creation. the value you're adding is your speech, and most people who want to make it big as an entertainer grossly overestimate how entertaining they are This doesn't make sense. Some people are bad at their jobs? At a minimum you playing the game means someone else doesn't have to. I watched people play Halo 4 because I don't have an Xbox. Streaming is not inherently less productive than painting because both leave in their respective mediums a lasting presence.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Eh. Productivity, self-improvement and personal goal seeking aren't work. and I do not mean that pejoratively in any sense of the word. Work is labor done for a wage is what I'm saying.
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Raenir Salazar posted:This doesn't make sense. Some people are bad at their jobs? At a minimum you playing the game means someone else doesn't have to. I watched people play Halo 4 because I don't have an Xbox. i'm saying it's not really a job except in rare circumstances, at best it's a hobby you can monetize to a small degree like i could collect cans on the side of the road and turn them in for scrap value but i dunno if i would describe that as a job. a better term would be "hustle" or "scheme" there are tons of nerdlingers out there who "collect" comic books and may even have podcasts about them, how many actually engage in brokerage or opening a store or doing real work involving real risk or a formal arrangement of selling labor for cash? boner confessor fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:like i could collect cans on the side of the road and turn them in for scrap value but i dunno if i would describe that as a job. a better term would be "hustle" or "scheme" Uh, I mean, that sounds like a pretty valuable job, people get paid to do that in some parts of the world and it's important work...
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OwlFancier posted:Uh, I mean, that sounds like a pretty valuable job, people get paid to do that in some parts of the world and it's important work...  where i live they make prisoners do it because the amount of money you make isn't worth it unless you're desperate and can't find better employmenti'm sure there are exceptions like trash pickers in the phillipines but let's not try to compare third world desperation to people who want to get paid to play video games in their bedrooms hey this is my new job, i'm a uhhhh sex streamer. i have sex with people and stream it and talk about politics and the weather while i'm having sex. this is my job now please respect me as a content creator
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We can call it a job, but it's most likely not a career.
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boner confessor posted:hey this is my new job, i'm a uhhhh sex streamer. i have sex with people and stream it
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