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Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
So I'm paranoid as hell about this vote being tampered with, given the last time I lodged a postal vote it got lost. What's a safe way to make sure my vote doesn't get the potential 'torch, toss away all yesses' response while still remaining valid? Post-it?

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UrbanLabyrinth
Jan 28, 2009

When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence


College Slice
Xenophon Team agrees to dumping the two-out-of-three rule for TV, radio and press ownership in exchange for $60m innovation fund to boost diversity

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

Cleretic posted:

So I'm paranoid as hell about this vote being tampered with, given the last time I lodged a postal vote it got lost. What's a safe way to make sure my vote doesn't get the potential 'torch, toss away all yesses' response while still remaining valid? Post-it?

That'd probably do the trick.

simmyb
Sep 29, 2005


I'm gonna be very suprised when the ~innovation fund~ gets shitcanned after 6 or 12 months

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Cleretic posted:

So I'm paranoid as hell about this vote being tampered with, given the last time I lodged a postal vote it got lost. What's a safe way to make sure my vote doesn't get the potential 'torch, toss away all yesses' response while still remaining valid? Post-it?

Put magnesium powder in your envelope.

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

simmyb posted:

I'm gonna be very suprised when the ~innovation fund~ gets shitcanned after 6 or 12 months
Nah, it'll end up going to Newscorp/Foxtel

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

"I'm not owned, I'm not owned" cries South Australia and their dumb obsession with ex-Liberal staffers pretending to be independent.

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



I recently got a PO Box in Perth CBD and they gave me 6 months free mail forwarding so idk might be worth checking out if you're super paranoid. You can specify multiple recipients to forward if you have more than one member of your household and Aus Post activate it pretty much immediately (I was getting mail forwarded the next day).

Edit: that's on receive, if you want to avoid poo poo on sending then literally walk your letter into a post office and get them to validate it and poo poo at the counter?

Edit2: comedy option, the LNP/ACL has a literal cabinet noir and is intercepting yes votes. Hilarious if true but impossible given the actual wherewithal required to pull such a thing off.

Pile Of Garbage fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Sep 13, 2017

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I've been pretty myopic recently with the postal survey and only just found out Australia is sending troops to the Philippines to train their soldiers on how to fight Isis.

I'm certain this won't in any way lead to us training soldiers involved in the current drug pogrom.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003





Sold out what's left of neutrality of news for two times what foxtel gets handed for no reason at all.

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Gorilla Salad posted:

I've been pretty myopic recently with the postal survey and only just found out Australia is sending troops to the Philippines to train their soldiers on how to fight Isis.

I'm certain this won't in any way lead to us training soldiers involved in the current drug pogrom.

mate there is zero chance Australia hasn't lent police and army expertise to a regional trading partner that's been having trouble with Islamic terrorists for a couple of decades

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
How many of those countries were in the middle of murder sprees for their deranged president?

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



I know for a fact that in the last year several western off-shore resource exploration companies have been contracted by the Burmese government to investigate potential natural gas and/or oil deposits off the west coast of Burma. Several of these companies have been ones with operating offices in Australia and the only one I can confirm for sure off record is Fugro.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Sparticle posted:

I'm pretty sure there was some idiot who did this during the US election. Trumpets went nuts about voter fraud even though the person was lying about where they worked.

It was pretty funny, USPS had to publicly deny he worked for them.

fiery_valkyrie
Mar 26, 2003

I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

quote:

Following a failed court battle to allow detention centre guards to confiscate phones from detainees, Peter Dutton has introduced legislation banning phones and other items he considers to pose a “risk”.

The draft bill introduced on Wednesday would allow the immigration minister to determine by legislative instrument what constitutes a “prohibited thing” inside detention centres, said an explanatory memorandum.

By "risk", I assume he means risk of telling people about the inhumane conditions they are kept in.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

simmyb posted:

I'm gonna be very suprised when the ~innovation fund~ gets shitcanned after 6 or 12 months

It'll be another one of those promises like what Scott Morrison promised the Senate cross bench that he'd have the children out of detention centres by Christmas.

Fanatic
Mar 9, 2006

:eyepop:

Gorilla Salad posted:

How many of those countries were in the middle of murder sprees for their deranged president?

Well murdering civilians doesn't requires any finesse or strategy, so I don't know how you think Australian advisors are meant to make them any better at it.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Xenophon sold out again? What a shocker!

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Please let the CBS buyout of Ten go through so Xenophon's capitulation means Murdoch still doesn't get what he wants

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Watch, as bumbling idiot Brandis tries to influence the court case against the CBS bid, the Liberals get out and lobby/campaign on behalf of Murdoch...


And CBS buries them all in a legal quagmire the likes they've never seen.

I'm excited.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The father of Turnbull government MP Stuart Robert says he was unaware he was a director of a private investment company that held shares in his son's IT service business which has won tens of millions of dollars worth of government contracts.

Alan Robert, 80, has also told Fairfax Media that the private investment company, Robert International, was run by his son during the six-year period he and his wife, Dorothy, were the company's only directors. It is a revelation that would link the Queensland MP with the IT services business, GMT Group, at a time when Stuart Robert claims to have "ceased involvement" in GMT.

The former minister has been under fire after Fairfax Media last week revealed he had direct financial links with a company awarded millions in federal government work. Section 44 of the constitution forbids MPs from directly or even indirectly profiting from the Commonwealth.

Mr Robert resigned his directorships and offloaded his shares in his GMT Group in 2010 – three years after he was first elected to Parliament. The Queensland MP told Fairfax Media he structured his affairs in a way that did not breach the constitution, but has refused to provide any evidence to support this claim.

It emerged this week that Mr Robert's parents were made directors of Roberts International - which held shares in GMT - on September 10, 2010 - less than a month after the election date. The couple's home became the registered office for Robert International almost a month later.

Alan Robert said he was unaware he had been appointed director and company secretary until informed by Fairfax Media.

"Oh are we?" Alan Robert said when told he and his wife were listed as directors of Robert International Pty Ltd between 2010 and 2016.

"Blessed if I know, you'd have to talk to Stuart about that," he added. "No we haven't run it, no ... Robert International was run by our son so I'm not too sure how we figured into the directorship thing but there hasn't been any direct involvement in it, no."

...

Fairfax Media put a series of detailed questions to Mr Robert about Roberts International and his parents' involvement. Mr Robert did not respond to the specific questions and accused Fairfax Media of lying about having spoken to his father. He also said he was ceasing all communications.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's office has been repeatedly approached for comment about Mr Robert's situation.

Robert International was founded in 1999. Mr Robert and his wife were listed as directors until 2010, resuming again in 2016.

Fairfax Media has been examining Mr Robert's business dealings after revealing GMT received $16.5 million worth of government contracts between 2007 and 2010, when Mr Robert was a director and shareholder in the multiple GMT companies.

Mr Robert has claimed he arranged his personal finances to avoid breaching section 44 of the constitution which forbids MPs from benefiting from the Commonwealth. The member for Fadden, who was sacked from the frontbench last year, also told his local newspaper The Gold Coast Bulletin that he ceased involvement with GMT group in 2010.

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:
Finally the ABC will be investigated for its failure to document the links between sharia law and chemtrails

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

quote:

'Wrong candidate': Expert lashes NSW Electoral Commission's vote-counting method

It's a principle of Australian democracy that every vote counts - and is counted. But as results continue to trickle in from Saturday's council elections, many voters will be surprised to learn theirs won't necessarily be.

The electoral commission's approach to vote counting is under fresh scrutiny as an expert warns its "buggy" method of sampling and projecting results in favour of counting ballots individually has likely resulted in two recent cases of the wrong person winning positions on NSW councils.

While voters' first preferences are counted in full, the NSW Electoral Commission instead calculates voters' later preferences by choosing a random sample of ballots and then extrapolates results using a secret computer code.

"People are seriously shocked when they hear that their votes aren't counted in local elections," said Greens MLC David Shoebridge. "There are a number of tight races with multiple candidates and complicated preference flows where this could make a difference and the wrong person gets elected".


Vanessa Teague, a Senior Lecturer in Computing and Information Systems at the University of Melbourne, has long been critical of the reliability of the commission's counting system.

She crunched the numbers on past council elections and highlighted at least two recent cases where the approach probably led to the wrong candidate being elected.

Dr Teague found that had the Commission's software correctly counted votes in 2012, there was a 90 per cent chance that a candidate for northern NSW Griffith Council would have been elected but for a "bug" in the software and the influence of random sampling.

And at last year's half-council election Dr Teague estimates another candidate, in Yass Council, had a better than even chance of being elected, but was not, because of the influence of sampling.


"It could be the sample that is taken is not very representative," Dr Teague said. "The effect is, particularly when we've got to the very last couple of candidates … the random selections can have a huge impact.

"In a handful of cases if it's very close in those last couple of seats … there are actually two or three different winning candidates who come up when we run [the results again with] different samples".

Aside from problems with sampling, Dr Teague is critical of the NSW Electoral Commission for refusing to release the code it uses for counting votes as the Victorian and ACT commissions have.

"It's buggy," she said, noting that she identified two further errors in the 2016 council elections in addition to the probable election of the wrong candidate. "They probably didn't make a difference, but it's not clear".

Preferences are likely to be determinative of the control of council ballots still being counted this week, particularly in the new Inner West Council, where the final two seats at least are likely to go down to a preferences duel.


A spokesman for the Electoral Commission said that it was required by law to use random samples to distribute ballot papers.

"Some Electoral Commissions have made their source code public, whilst others (including the Australian Electoral Commission and the NSW Electoral Commission) have used a [private] certification process to validate their software," the spokesman said.

But Dr Teague said both she and other experts at the Australian National University had found four instances of bugs in code that private certifiers had signed off on as valid.

Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters is currently examining whether the system of random sampling is accurate and delivers fair results, and will report back in mid-November.

What the gently caress I didn't know about this, that is asinine.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

JBP posted:

So the postmen in league with the Roman Catholic church are using smart phone torches on the mail they collect in an effort to block marriage equality and lose their jobs.

We're through the looking glass here AusPol.
Truth is stranger than fiction. The above is not entirely dissimilar to how the National Civic Council took over the Federated Clerks Union. On that occasion they used a reverse phone book search to locate all the residences of members and went around harvesting the voting forms as they were delivered and then filled them in the 'right' way.

Gorilla Salad posted:

How many of those countries were in the middle of murder sprees for their deranged president?
All of them? The Australian government has a long history of doing exactly this.

Also media laws and Xenophon:

:jerkbag:

If there is any consolation all the media forms covered by the legislation are dying.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

SAS soldier cleared of war crimes after cutting the hands off dead enemies

An Australian SAS soldier who cut the hands off two dead suspected Taliban fighters so they could be identified via fingerprints is cleared of war crimes by a Federal Police investigation.

"It's more war mischief than a crime."

MonoAus
Nov 5, 2012

JBP posted:

So the postmen in league with the Roman Catholic church are using smart phone torches on the mail they collect in an effort to block marriage equality and lose their jobs.

We're through the looking glass here AusPol.

While I don't usually buy in to a lot of what alarms this thread this one does bother me a bit. I'm not going to assume there's a conspiracy at work but it seems pretty shonky.

Paingod556
Nov 8, 2011

Not a problem, sir

Synthbuttrange posted:

SAS soldier cleared of war crimes after cutting the hands off dead enemies

An Australian SAS soldier who cut the hands off two dead suspected Taliban fighters so they could be identified via fingerprints is cleared of war crimes by a Federal Police investigation.

"It's more war mischief than a crime."

Good to see Andrew Hastie is doing well

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

MonoAus posted:

While I don't usually buy in to a lot of what alarms this thread this one does bother me a bit. I'm not going to assume there's a conspiracy at work but it seems pretty shonky.

I don't know exactly how many people handle a letter between me putting it in the postbox and the recipient getting it. But any one of those people could very quickly confirm a vote and throw away the ones they disagree with, and that scares me.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

quote:

10:34am
"This is crap," Senator Lambie said.

The independent said the bigger media players should have seen the changes coming sooner and adapted.

"30 million dollars you go and give to others who are already making an absolute monster out there....They should have got up with the bloody program of the 21st century."




10:25am
Independent senator Jacqui Lambie is not a fan of the ABC measures either.

"To go after the public broadcaster is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace," Senator Lambie said.

"You're going after and attacking our own, our very own public broadcasters. What is that? Because they're one step ahead with iview and their social media platforms?"

The hero we need.

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

The hero we need.

Then she'll go and say some crazy bullshit about Sharia Law or something

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Sharia did nothing wrong

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

There is an interview on abc conversations about UBI that's saying it's really good.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Gorilla Salad posted:

I've been pretty myopic recently with the postal survey and only just found out Australia is sending troops to the Philippines to train their soldiers on how to fight Isis.

I'm certain this won't in any way lead to us training soldiers involved in the current drug pogrom.

Or in their anti-communist counter-insurgency.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

JBP posted:

So the postmen in league with the Roman Catholic church are using smart phone torches on the mail they collect in an effort to block marriage equality and lose their jobs.

We're through the looking glass here AusPol.

It's not whether it is happening, it's whether sufficient protections should have been put in place to prevent it from happening. It's probably not happening, but given the situation "probably" isn't really a good enough answer.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

NPR Journalizard posted:

There is an interview on abc conversations about UBI that's saying it's really good.

UBI needs to get a different acronym that's further away from UTI because, yeah...

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Universal Basics Card. The problem with UBI is that any effort to introduce it in the current political climate would be captured by the troglodytes running the country and we'd more than likely end up with something worse than we have now.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

open24hours posted:

Universal Basics Card. The problem with UBI is that any effort to introduce it in the current political climate would be captured by the troglodytes running the country and we'd more than likely end up with something worse than we have now.

Im starting to hope that if you couch it in terms that torys loving love then they will be more onboard with it.

If you start with "I have a plan that will see the size of government massively reduced, healthcare costs cut, welfare spending decreased and it ends up being a net saving to government" then you could start to get torys on board.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
I've been in the car all day listening to John Laws et al and have been pleasantly surprised by callers ringing in to crack the shits saying "just bloody do it what a waste on money, who cares what the gays are doing. They'll probably have less divorces than the rest of us anyway. Stone the crows" etc.

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

NPR Journalizard posted:

Im starting to hope that if you couch it in terms that torys loving love then they will be more onboard with it.

If you start with "I have a plan that will see the size of government massively reduced, healthcare costs cut, welfare spending decreased and it ends up being a net saving to government" then you could start to get torys on board.

"... and improve the lives of the poor."

"Wait what?"

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the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

JBP posted:

I've been in the car all day listening to John Laws et al and have been pleasantly surprised by callers ringing in to crack the shits saying "just bloody do it what a waste on money, who cares what the gays are doing. They'll probably have less divorces than the rest of us anyway. Stone the crows" etc.
bcr's kids have a social conscience :unsmith:

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