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Frijolero posted:Remember when the bad dem response to leftists was "Well, why aren't you in power changing the system *democratic socialist
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Condiv posted:nah, you're just an idiot troll as always woops thought that was the "redpill mod" guy hey good news go team loquacius posted:I thought the filthy rural subhuman scum would vote for whoever promised to kick out all the brown people no matter what Pets occasionally respond negatively to abuse
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safely sodomized posted:https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/907767409699733504 lol CA Dems are going to use Bernie's bill to ignore SB 562
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol CA Dems are going to use Bernie's bill to ignore SB 562 is state-level single payer something that can work? I've always felt that it needs to be a nation-wide federally administered program given the governments more broad authority to tax - especially with the medicare payroll tax
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zegermans posted:Pets occasionally respond negatively to abuse "Occasionally" doesn't sound like a very good track record sounds to me like a lovely strategy 
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zegermans posted:is state-level single payer something that can work? I've always felt that it needs to be a nation-wide federally administered program given the governments more broad authority to tax - especially with the medicare payroll tax Canadian healthcare is done by Province rather than nationally
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zegermans posted:is state-level single payer something that can work? I've always felt that it needs to be a nation-wide federally administered program given the governments more broad authority to tax - especially with the medicare payroll tax Depends on the state. A place like Vermont doesn't have enough of a local economy to pull it off, but you bet your loving rear end California does
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Typo posted:Canadian healthcare is done by Province rather than nationally oh neat how does Alberta still exist
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loquacius posted:Depends on the state. A place like Vermont doesn't have enough of a local economy to pull it off, but you bet your loving rear end California does I guess that makes sense since France has UHC and California is literally France in terms of economy.
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zegermans posted:oh neat Equalization payments
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loquacius posted:Depends on the state. A place like Vermont doesn't have enough of a local economy to pull it off, but you bet your loving rear end California does Redraw the state lines bing bong so simple
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Team Bern is doing it y'all. https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/907966957936406528 Bernie's list already includes Duckworth and Leahy even though they haven't declared support yet (I think).
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loquacius posted:Depends on the state. A place like Vermont doesn't have enough of a local economy to pull it off, but you bet your loving rear end California does Vermont probably could have done it too. Anyway, there's a bill in the state legislature now to do Single Payer Primary Care, which would be significantly less expensive and offer obvious benefits.
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Lawman 0 posted:Redraw the state lines bing bong so simple Unironically this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8SkOm7WF2U
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loquacius posted:r/s4p has posted this handy infographic I thought Manchin was supporting it now. I am not surprised by my state's split presence here, as Franken is pretty cool and Klobuchar is also a Senator from Minnesota.
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Frijolero posted:Bernie's list already includes Duckworth if true it means that all five Democratic Senators who identify as people of color support his single payer bill
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Matt Zerella posted:
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loquacius posted:r/s4p has posted this handy infographic  I thought Duckworth was supposed to be one of the good dems.
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Frijolero posted:Good dems, good dems, watchu gonna do, watchu gonna do when they work for you? 
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also MfA is kinda poo poo if the bill is just "minimum age is zero END OF BILL", medicare needs some real cost reforms like for example not make it explicitly illegal for medicare authorities to say "we don't want to pay that much for that pill"
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docbeard posted:and Klobuchar 
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docbeard posted:I thought Manchin was supporting it now. nah he just said it needs to be discussed. not a gesture of support but hes not saying IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN EVERRRRRRR like pelosi
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zegermans posted:can single payer work with the rural/urban divide though or do hospitals need to be nationalized, too? Because private hospitals in rural areas will probably lose a lot more money given that they treat far unhealthier people there's nothing that says the fees the government pays out can't vary to meet local market prices, but you're right that simply nationalizing the institutions would be easier
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zegermans posted:while manchin tends to manch on a lot of things, single payer is probably the best possible thing that could ever happen to WV, short of dynamiting all coal mine entrances, executing the coal barons, and restarting the CCC. manchin would personally shove every single WV baby into a coal mine if it would stop a bill from slightly impacting his pharmaceutical CEO daughter
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re nationalization: doctors should make like 60k on 20 hour work weeks and there should be 10x as many of them . since residency slots are paid for by Medicaid this isn't a problem
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gonna need affordable healthcare to cure her of terminal new hampshire "maple" poisoning
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Bend the knee you fucks
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yeah that infographic is way behind on the number of knees getting bent today I'm still in shock over Joe loving Manchin bending the knee
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Terror Sweat posted:manchin would personally shove every single WV baby into a coal mine if it would stop a bill from slightly impacting his pharmaceutical CEO daughter I mean he was absolutely 100% not voting for any ACA related bill that touched medicaid. I feel like there's some times there's more to him than just a bad dem then again he voted for Gorsuck so lmao
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mastershakeman posted:re nationalization: doctors should make like 60k on 20 hour work weeks and there should be 10x as many of them . since residency slots are paid for by Medicaid this isn't a problem I can hear the screams of male-focused urologists that only got an MD to make money already trickling in from the future like when Vegeta found out Gohan stole his last dragonball on Namek
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Joementum posted:gonna need affordable healthcare to cure her of terminal new hampshire "maple" poisoning Will be interesting to see what Maggie Hassan does. She's been milquetoast on healthcare, but Bernie did a lot of campaigning for her.
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Terror Sweat posted:Unironically this Keep going I'm almost there
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loquacius posted:yeah that infographic is way behind on the number of knees getting bent today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2w7IdiPPSc&t=105s
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Bernie Sandwiches is a loving treasure.
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