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Yes it's a scheme for turning metal scrap into scrap metal. With the raw materials being collected as a "job".
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basically whether or not you have a job is dependent if you would lie to a stranger at a party when they ask "what do you do"
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Sep 13, 2017 19:43
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I've been saying for years that half the security services don't have real jobs.
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Sep 13, 2017 19:47
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Ytlaya posted:The thing about blaming "black culture" is that it's ultimately the exact same thing as claiming either biological inferiority or that things are a result of systemic/structural issues. Like, if they're behaving differently there's gotta be some reason for that. Since they deny the latter, that only leaves the former. Yeah the only real difference between Sargon's 'Black Culture causes black people to suffer more and prosper less.' and the typical alt right of 'Black people are inherently inferior to whites and their position in society proves that' is that the former is a dog whistle. It means the same poo poo, it just looks and sounds slightly more acceptable if you ignore the context, and the intent, and the meaning of the words he's saying. It's being said to and for the same audience. It's why Sargon gets so many Neo-nazi and alt-right viewers. He might act like he doesn't want them (See him sending them gay porn on twitter) but all his talking points are tailor made to appease them. And since Sargon is a massive idiot with no real self introspection he doesn't stop and wonder 'Gee, why DO so many Nazi's like my opinions and videos?'
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Sep 13, 2017 20:06
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Groovelord Neato posted:those arguments are nearly identical. Not really, one is biologically based and therefore immutable and the other is cultural and thus the racist assumes blacks just need to stop committing crimes and get married. I guess its racist rear end in a top hat vs batshit crazy racist rear end in a top hat. Ytlaya posted:The thing about blaming "black culture" is that it's ultimately the exact same thing as claiming either biological inferiority or that things are a result of systemic/structural issues. Like, if they're behaving differently there's gotta be some reason for that. Since they deny the latter, that only leaves the former. You're forgetting the one where its systemic/structural issues because the Democrats and welfare are making black people lazy.
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Sep 13, 2017 20:10
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boner confessor posted:i'm saying it's not really a job except in rare circumstances, at best it's a hobby you can monetize to a small degree But if they can live off of that income, how is it not a "real" job? If I can monetize my hobbies, that can turn into a specialized job or service. Stamp Collecting > Antique dealer/historian etc. Like I don't really get your point or argument. I assume you're not trying to seem like you're looking for excuses to talk poo poo about people who want to pursue the dream of doing things on the internet. I don't deny that many seem laughable in their efforts but the endeavor isn't unworthy of respect. Blog writing largely started out the same way and now it's a crucial business and social media presence thing.
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Sep 13, 2017 20:13
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boner confessor posted:i'm saying it's not really a job except in rare circumstances, at best it's a hobby you can monetize to a small degree Opening a comic book store is an errand of the fool and the damned, citstion I work at a comic book store
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Sep 13, 2017 20:14
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Raenir Salazar posted:But if they can live off of that income, how is it not a "real" job? That would be the rare circumstances part
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Yeah the only real difference between Sargon's 'Black Culture causes black people to suffer more and prosper less.' and the typical alt right of 'Black people are inherently inferior to whites and their position in society proves that' is that the former is a dog whistle. It means the same poo poo, it just looks and sounds slightly more acceptable if you ignore the context, and the intent, and the meaning of the words he's saying. It's being said to and for the same audience. It's why Sargon gets so many Neo-nazi and alt-right viewers. He might act like he doesn't want them (See him sending them gay porn on twitter) but all his talking points are tailor made to appease them. Have you guys seen his new video where he basically says its ok to say the n-word when its not directed at a black person and its only being considered offensive because white people are offended? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmfqRunW4Ro
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Raenir Salazar posted:But if they can live off of that income, how is it not a "real" job? it CAN turn into a job, it also CAN turn into you sitting around avoiding real growth as you sell handmade steampunk pendants on etsy for dozens of dollars per week people who have the drive, ambition, and talent to make it as a streamer (or the breasts) would probably do well at whatever they set their mind to. for every person like that there are probably a hundred who chase a dream fruitlessly because of market saturation (sitting around filming yourself playing video games probably has as many producers as consumers) and of that set there's a good few who won't give up on the dream because it's a comfortable delusion preventing them from pursuing a much better and healthy use of their time when i was a kid pretty much every young peer of mine wanted to be in a rock band or a skateboarding star. none of them achieved their dreams but at least they were doing physical activity. and, god bless, them, some of them are still chasing that illusion well into their thirties to loop it back around this whole thing started based on this comment Gorn Myson posted:To be honest, the weirdest thing for me out of all of this are the people who think that sitting around recording yourself playing video games all day is a noble, hardworking job. which i agree with, because for every streamer who can say "my job is streaming video games on the internet and i made above the median household income last year doing so" there are plenty of people who do it as a hobby, or who are chasing dreams of stardom and getting no traction. so, by and large, it's not a job mostly because the majority of people who try to do it fail at turning it into a job boner confessor fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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That guy Destiny that debates the alt-light used to be a video game streamer. Maybe he still is. But he's no longer relevant in SC2 so he transitioned into something else. Right now is the golden age for this youtube stuff. Pewdiepie is an example of the future. I waiting for youtube personalities to get prettier and better produced. It has to trend that way or it has to become less profitable for an skilled creator. Its entertainment after all and these fat angry dudes will age and won't relate anymore. They will have to do something else.
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fallenturtle posted:You're forgetting the one where its systemic/structural issues because the Democrats and welfare are making black people lazy. Nope, that's the same thing because you would still need to explain why black people respond to welfare/whatever by becoming "lazy" and other races don't. Ultimately they would always need to explain why black people are having these issues, and any explanation that doesn't involve structural/systemic issues outside their control inevitably comes down to some innate racial difference. Put more simply, the "cultural issues" thing is positing that black people, for whatever reason, created/chose a culture that is harmful/lazy/whatever. So then the question becomes "why is this?" and if you ultimately trace things back to their source you'd end up resorting to the idea of there being some innate difference (assuming, as I mentioned before, that you reject the idea of outside structural/environmental issues being the cause). For example, consider the following exchange: Alt-lite Person: Black people are lazy because they receive more money from government programs Someone else: Why do they recieve more money? Alt-lite Person: Because they're poorer. Someone else: Why are they poorer? Alt-lite Person: (Can't say "because of slavery" because that would reject their general "it's black peoples' fault" thesis, so ultimately they have no choice but to attribute their poverty to some innate characteristic unique to black people)
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The idea of valuable work being only what you can get paid to do is the kind of nonsense I expect to hear from the subjects of the thread not the posters in it.
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Sep 13, 2017 21:20
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OwlFancier posted:The idea of valuable work being only what you can get paid to do is the kind of nonsense I expect to hear from the subjects of the thread not the posters in it. The idea that you are only as valuable as the work you do, and only certain kinds of work are valuable is a rather pernicious and pervasive aspect of American culture. something something, protestant work ethic, something something
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Sep 13, 2017 21:24
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OwlFancier posted:The idea of valuable work being only what you can get paid to do is the kind of nonsense I expect to hear from the subjects of the thread not the posters in it. there's a difference between valuable work and a job. and filming yourself playing video games is neither some choose to volunteer with the elderly. some choose to sell their labor to support their families. some choose to add their thoughts on the five thousandth playthrough of final fantasy six uploaded to youtube this decade and particularly want to share their comments on which characters would be most attractive in swimwear, and who should have sex with who. all of us contribute to society in our own ways, except for those who don't
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boner confessor posted:there's a difference between valuable work and a job. and filming yourself playing video games is neither And I content that this is bull loving poo poo with nothing to back it up other than your bias. It's extraordinarily rare to be a successful actor or actress and yet I don't see you knocking them over.
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Sep 13, 2017 21:27
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ah yes because just reading other people's scripts is exactly the same as recording yourself pushing buttons and talking about the comparative benefits of star trek vs. star wars lore name five actors. then, without looking it up, tell me the real name of five successful video game streamers
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Sep 13, 2017 21:29
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better yet please tell me in detail what sargon of akkad has contributed to society and how society would be worse off if he stopped making videos, thanks
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Sep 13, 2017 21:30
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boner confessor posted:when i was a kid pretty much every young peer of mine wanted to be in a rock band or a skateboarding star. none of them achieved their dreams but at least they were doing physical activity. and, god bless, them, some of them are still chasing that illusion well into their thirties I knew a guy sorta like this in high school (not specifically related to skateboard/rock bands, but he adamantly refused to get a "regular job") and the last I heard of him was like 8 years after graduating, when he apparently tried to build a boat and ride it down the Mississippi river with some friend of his. At least that's an interesting thing to do, though, even if it's terribly dangerous and ill-advised. boner confessor posted:ah yes because just reading other people's scripts is exactly the same as recording yourself pushing buttons and talking about the comparative benefits of star trek vs. star wars lore You could use this some reasoning to condemn literally all entertainment that isn't good. Like, if enough people enjoy watching this stuff for the streamer to make a living it's obvious that a bunch of people enjoy what they're offering, even if it's video game commentary or whatever. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Sep 13, 2017 21:32
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boner confessor posted:better yet please tell me in detail what sargon of akkad has contributed to society and how society would be worse off if he stopped making videos, thanks I mean, I'd have less to laugh at.
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Ytlaya posted:I knew a guy sorta like this in high school (not specifically related to skateboard/rock bands, but he adamantly refused to get a "regular job") and the last I heard of him was like 8 years after graduating, when he apparently tried to build a boat and ride it down the Mississippi river with some friend of his. people who record themselves doing actual things outside that are somewhat unique or difficult to do are in a completely different league than people who record themselves playing video games for the benefit of folks who are perfectly capable of playing the video game themselves but choose not to for reasons it's like filming yourself watching a movie and describing it to others so they dont have to watch it themselves. do whatever you want in life but i wouldn't call that work, or a job
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Sep 13, 2017 21:34
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boner confessor posted:ah yes because just reading other people's scripts is exactly the same as recording yourself pushing buttons and talking about the comparative benefits of star trek vs. star wars lore streamers-Kenji Egishira (might have spelled that wrong), Brian Kibler, Sean Plott, Sean mcloughlin, Mark Fischbach
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Sep 13, 2017 21:37
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boner confessor posted:people who record themselves doing actual things outside that are somewhat unique or difficult to do are in a completely different league than people who record themselves playing video games for the benefit of folks who are perfectly capable of playing the video game themselves but choose not to for reasons The people who are really bad at commentary rarely become popular as video game streamers, though (unless they're particularly attractive or something). There are a zillion people who attempt to do this and just awkwardly read the text on the screen, and they never become popular. But if someone is capable of doing a MST3K-sorta thing while playing a video game and other people find them entertaining, whatever, more power to them. Also, keep in mind that a lot of the streamers that we recognize as really lame and unfunny have audiences mostly consisting of literal teenagers (see Pewdiepie).
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Sep 13, 2017 21:37
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You don't need a moral argument for not liking bad lets players, and Sargon is a wasteman not because he does not work, but because his work is actively harmful to other people.
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OwlFancier posted:You don't need a moral argument for not liking bad lets players, and Sargon is a wasteman not because he does not work, but because his work is actively harmful to other people. my point is that it's not a job if the vast majority of people who set out to do it for a living fail to make a living. there's not a lot of people out there clocking in at starbucks who are failing to make money at the end of the day. on the spectrum of "actual paid labor" to "don't kid yourself into thinking this will earn money" video game streaming is somewhere near cosplay accessory maker
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boner confessor posted:ah yes because just reading other people's scripts is exactly the same as recording yourself pushing buttons and talking about the comparative benefits of star trek vs. star wars lore Actors: Woopi Goldberg, Harrison Ford, Michael J Fox, Will Smith, Levar Burton. Streamers/Youtubers: Gavin Free, James Ryan Haywood (Sortamaliciousgaming), Geoff Lazer Ramsay, Jeremy Dooley (Dooleynotedgaming), Jack Pattilo. What does this prove?
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Sep 13, 2017 21:46
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Raenir Salazar posted:What does this prove? i was just curious to see who could name five actual video game streamers. kind of a combination of trap sprung and huh, you are really into this aren't you (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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boner confessor posted:i was just curious to see who could name five actual video game streamers. kind of a combination of trap sprung and huh, you are really into this aren't you A ha! Trap sprung! You replied seriously to my post you fool!!!
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boner confessor posted:i was just curious to see who could name five actual video game streamers. kind of a combination of trap sprung and huh, you are really into this aren't you So you're proving my point that this is about you're own personal axe to grind as to what you consider to be "real work" without any consistent applicable logic or rational? You haven't said anything that couldn't also be applied to any other entertainment or artistic medium. As expected from a lama hater.
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Raenir Salazar posted:So you're proving my point that this is about you're own personal axe to grind as to what you consider to be "real work" without any consistent applicable logic or rational? You haven't said anything that couldn't also be applied to any other entertainment or artistic medium. i mean aside from the inherent divide involved in producing or being involved in the production of original content, versus what amounts to a glorified longform critique of said content sure if you want to think that i'm not logically or rationally refuting your points go ahead. i'll just be over here continuing to believe that streaming video games is a puffed up hobby for the workshy and not an actual job by any definition of the term it's like going to a strip club, except instead of false sexual gratification you're gaining the simulated experience of watching someone else consume a simulated experience? that's... cool, i guess e: just realized how odd it is for me to be getting such resistance to the idea that people posting goofy worthless video on the internet is a mockable thing in this, the "let's mock people who post goofy worthless video on the internet" thread boner confessor fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Sep 13, 2017 21:58
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boner confessor posted:i mean aside from the inherent divide involved in producing or being involved in the production of original content, versus what amounts to a glorified longform critique of said content sure So why exactly is the content that streamers produce "useless?" That seems to be the crux of your argument and it's a very dumb opinion. Let's plays and streams and the like provide entertainment through funny/personable commentary or high-skilled feats of gameplay or even just by playing the game which for many people is an impossibility due either to lack of finances or lack of ability. For the people that make enough money to sustain themselves that is their job. End of story.
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A good video game has a lot of staying power and the hard work of the developer will live on for a long time. PewDiePie might he king of the shitheap when it comes to game streamers but I doubt anybody is going to be talking about him in 20 years. Edit: I feel perfectly comfortable classifying someone's hobby as worthless. I think speedrunning SM64 12 hours a day is pretty loving stupid. If you can get enough people to pay you to do it then what does it matter what I think? I just happen to think that jusy about any other job you can have has more value to society. Keep in mind I classify people who do actual game reviews that involve editing and not screaming the n-word separately from streamers. Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Sep 13, 2017 22:07
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hosj36zIlEE Oh christ is this the McCarthy hearings all over again? 
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Genocyber posted:So why exactly is the content that streamers produce "useless?" That seems to be the crux of your argument and it's a very dumb opinion. Let's plays and streams and the like provide entertainment through funny/personable commentary or high-skilled feats of gameplay or even just by playing the game which for many people is an impossibility due either to lack of finances or lack of ability. For the people that make enough money to sustain themselves that is their job. End of story. i assume you're not going to go back and read my posts where i talk about exactly this, rather than just jumping in without context and assuming i'm saying something i'm not, so i'll just respond to you by quoting myself from the last page (easily checkable imo) boner confessor posted:painting or other artistic pursuits, even when done badly, are far more productive than streaming. unless you are very charming or have some weird gimmick you're just filming yourself talking while consuming someone else's creation. the value you're adding is your speech, and most people who want to make it big as an entertainer grossly overestimate how entertaining they are for every person who can pay their bills and feed themselves by streaming video games, how many are there who do this and can't pay to sustain themselves? is it more than 1 in 10? 1 in 100? if only 1% of people can make a living at it is it really a job without qualifiers? like someone who plays sports every once in a while for fun wouldn't say their job is playing sports, would they? boner confessor fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:i mean aside from the inherent divide involved in producing or being involved in the production of original content, versus what amounts to a glorified longform critique of said content sure Sounds like a really patronizing way of describing film critics like Roger Ebert; or in Youtuber terms, MovieBob or Wisecrack. quote:if you want to think that i'm not logically or rationally refuting your points go ahead. i'll just be over here continuing to believe that streaming video games is a puffed up hobby for the workshy and not an actual job by any definition of the term "Look, don't bother engaging any of the things I say, I am not going to defend any of them." quote:it's like going to a strip club, except instead of false sexual gratification you're gaining the simulated experience of watching someone else consume a simulated experience? that's... cool, i guess Do you also hate people who do the narration for audio books? quote:for every person who can pay their bills and feed themselves by streaming video games, how many are there who do this and can't pay to sustain themselves? is it more than 1 in 10? 1 in 100? if only 1% of people can make a living at it is it really a job without qualifiers? like someone who plays sports every once in a while for fun wouldn't say their job is playing sports, would they? Again, what is the meaningful difference between this, and anything else with some barrier to entry? Like Chainsaw Woodcarving? Is it because it's digital it is less real to you? e: Ergo it is my opinion that Lama Haters must be destroyed. e2: "I like people who are successful doing what they set out to do, but if they aren't successful then they aren't doing real work." Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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I have a bad feeling that the reaction to Pewds' most recent racist comment is going to spark a witch-hunt that turns Youtube into a nanny-state site.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Sounds like a really patronizing way of describing film critics like Roger Ebert; or in Youtuber terms, MovieBob or Wisecrack. i wasn't aware roger ebert filmed himself watching a whole movie and talking over it, i thought he just distilled his thoughts down into the sallient points also called a "review" which is something people have been doing for video games for decades Raenir Salazar posted:Again, what is the meaningful difference between this, and anything else with some barrier to entry? Like Chainsaw Woodcarving? Is it because it's digital it is less real to you? what exactly is the barrier of entry that prevents people from playing a video game
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boner confessor posted:i assume you're not going to go back and read my posts where i talk about exactly this, rather than just jumping in without context and assuming i'm saying something i'm not, so i'll just respond to you by quoting myself from the last page (easily checkable imo) hm i feel like you have a good post but presented in the wrong format, maybe you could film yourself in a costume and link it here?
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Grouchio posted:I have a bad feeling that the reaction to Pewds' most recent racist comment is going to spark a witch-hunt that turns Youtube into a nanny-state site. Corporations shutting down people from using their IP is literally the opposite of a nanny-state you imbecile. This is the free market at work. Companies don't want their project associated with (explicit) racists, especially ones popular enough where the second they reveal they're gross bad people everyone in the world would know. The only hosed up part of this is that it took this long for a company to do this with PewDiePie because the guy has always been a horrible person. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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