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Also, it makes sense because Richie and Eddie are specifically positioned as best friends. Most of the banter is specifically between those two, and there's a cute little bit where Eddie is holding Richie's ice cream cone for him.
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According to Finn Wolfhard all of Richies swearing was adlibbed which is kind of impressive.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:According to Finn Wolfhard all of Richies swearing was adlibbed which is kind of impressive.  holy poo poo, his parents must be mortified
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:According to Finn Wolfhard all of Richies swearing was adlibbed which is kind of impressive. My wife and I love watching Game Grumps and Finn guest starred on one episode where they played Crash Nitro Cart for the PS2. Based on how he rolls with and contributes to some of the swearing bits, I believe it.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:
I mean I'm pretty sure if you're okay with your kid being in the R-rated movie about murdermolestoclown you've probably accepted they probably know some swear words.
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Sep 13, 2017 22:00
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I kinda wish I was IT. I mean, I wouldn't want to be pure evil, but it sounds like a pretty sweet life. Wouldn't mind sleeping for 27 years, waking up to have a bite, then sleeping for 27 more years, that's all I'm saying.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean I'm pretty sure if you're okay with your kid being in the R-rated movie about murdermolestoclown you've probably accepted they probably know some swear words. It really depends on the parents and what kind of relationship they have with their kids. My two best friends are, conveniently enough, married to each other (the wife of the two did our engagement photos.) They've got a rule with their kids, say whatever the gently caress you want to around the house, but keep in mind other kids and their parents might be offended by it. They're not reciting long passages of Naked Lunch or anything like that, but they've got way healthier and open relationships with their parents and other adults than a lot of kids in other friend/family dynamics.
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Croisquessein posted:I kinda wish I was IT. I mean, I wouldn't want to be pure evil, but it sounds like a pretty sweet life. Wouldn't mind sleeping for 27 years, waking up to have a bite, then sleeping for 27 more years, that's all I'm saying. We need more positive portrayals of NEETdom in the media.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean I'm pretty sure if you're okay with your kid being in the R-rated movie about murdermolestoclown you've probably accepted they probably know some swear words. Punch Drunk Drewsky posted:It really depends on the parents and what kind of relationship they have with their kids. My two best friends are, conveniently enough, married to each other (the wife of the two did our engagement photos.) They've got a rule with their kids, say whatever the gently caress you want to around the house, but keep in mind other kids and their parents might be offended by it. also, kid actors tend to get kid-gloved like crazy (no pun intended) on film sets. the intended rating of the movie has very little to do with how much graphic content the kid is actually getting exposed to on-set, especially with all the CGI gore and whatnot nowadays; it's entirely reasonable for stage parents to go "yeah sure it's fine for my kid to be in this R-rated murderclown movie" and then get really shocked when their kid adlibs Tarantino levels of swearing into their lines
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Mantis42 posted:We need more positive portrayals of NEETdom in the media. Pennywise is clowncel.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:
Kids curse
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ImpAtom posted:murdermolestoclown Coming soon from Robert Rodriguez...
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:also, kid actors tend to get kid-gloved like crazy (no pun intended) on film sets. the intended rating of the movie has very little to do with how much graphic content the kid is actually getting exposed to on-set, especially with all the CGI gore and whatnot nowadays; it's entirely reasonable for stage parents to go "yeah sure it's fine for my kid to be in this R-rated murderclown movie" and then get really shocked when their kid adlibs Tarantino levels of swearing into their lines With this bit in mind, I kinda want to do some internet investigation and see if there's anything about the child actress from Enter the Void. There wasn't a lot of explicit violence or cursing with her as a kid, but she's placed in some traumatic as hell situations and then proceeds to act the living hell out of them.
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Danny in the Shining didn't even know he was staring in a horror movie.
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Maybe somebody pointed this out already, but the theater in Derry has Batman on the marquee. Not only does it have another killer clown, but it came out on June 23, 1989.
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deoju posted:Maybe somebody pointed this out already, but the theater in Derry has Batman on the marquee. Not only does it have another killer clown, but it came out on June 23, 1989. Son of a bitch
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The exposition doesn't establish that Eddie is abused, Eddie's characterization establishes it. He is fully invested in his mother's neuroses, even though he knows something's wrong with her (if he uses his pharmacy account, he knows his mother will drag him off to the hospital "to be x-rayed for a week"). But again, that's exposition. Mike has the same issue, where the imagery of hands and the meat are considered 'good enough', and the rest of his story is dumped in exposition. The stuff you're talking about is technically there, but the issue is that the film is not succinct; it simply expresses less about bad childhood and 'growing up with scars' than fuckin' Guardians Of The Galaxy does. (As it happens, GotG's strawman villain and Pennywise share the same face-paint.) Where IT almost gets interesting is in the imagery of floating blood as communion. The implication is that, in braining her father, Beverley has 'drunk the wine'. The imaginary monster doesn't kill kids; he makes them sit, glassy-eyed, in his audience - his congregation. (The floating imagery is basically stolen from Skyline.) So again, you have this mixing of incompatible images. The Judaic imagery points to IT being the Goetic demon Aamon, who both "[causes] feuds and reconcileth controversies between friends." But then he is also this perverse Christ-figure who gives communion to the homeless children. He's associated with lepers, zombies, lambs, juggalos, etc. And there is no way to reconcile these two aspects of the character, because he's an inconsistent fiction - an exquisite corpse completed by six different child authors. But he's ultimately like Fagin the Jew, which makes the film's approach to antisemitism rather convoluted. Again, you can get a clearer picture of things by cross-referencing with better films in the CHUD genre, like CHUD and Alien Versus | Predator: Requiem. Also better films in the 'Elm Street' genre, like 1988's low-budget classic The Brain (likewise about kids going insane, thinking the parents are brainwashed by TV). SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The stuff you're talking about is technically there, but the issue is that the film is not succinct; it simply expresses less about bad childhood and 'growing up with scars' than fuckin' Guardians Of The Galaxy does. (As it happens, GotG's strawman villain and Pennywise share the same face-paint.) HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The main reason I feel like this is defensible is because, like you say, the film is technically very well made and therefore is very succinct visually (probably overly so in a lot of ways). We are shown a lot of stuff about Eddie in the two short scenes in his house. In both cases, he dwells in the well lit kitchen, whereas his mother dwells in the dimly lit den, glued to the TV exactly like Bev's dad and Henry's dad. In fact, the first time you see her, she's watching the same program as them. Both of his confrontations with her are at the portals to either room (there are a lot of portals and doors in the film). Not sold on how/why those images Hundu talks about are insufficient outside of "technically there." I'm curious to an elaboration if you're up for it.
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I don't disagree that like 90% of the kids' interaction is exposition, which I think is only fair when half the movie takes place in their dreams.
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Idk how you got to Goetic demon but bless you (the exquisite corpse descriptor is pretty cool tho)
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I don't disagree that like 90% of the kids' interaction is exposition, which I think is only fair when half the movie takes place in their dreams. And the Mike criticism's kinda odd because he's giving an expo dump, sure, but it's against the backdrop of the Derry parade with all its looming adult figures and stuff like the Bunyan statue. There's the lived history Mike is teaching the other kids versus the backdrop of this menacing cheery false version of Derry.
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I got really excited when I saw the Bunyan statue. :-(
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Does the expression "we all float down here" mean anything specific? I like how it sounds both vaguely nice and vaguely menacing. I remember the floating kids in the movie, but I take it that's not in the book. (What was with those floating kids anyway? They certainly didn't come back to life, so should we assume that was just another illusion?)
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It means that everyone floats down there.
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DorianGravy posted:(What was with those floating kids anyway? They certainly didn't come back to life, so should we assume that was just another illusion?) They're Pennywise's collection, basically. He uses them as decorations for his lair.
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My favorite part of the movie was Pennywise using a severed arm to wave at Mike with a big rear end grin on his face. The lady next to me was not amused when I laughed at the shot..
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DorianGravy posted:Does the expression "we all float down here" mean anything specific? I like how it sounds both vaguely nice and vaguely menacing. I remember the floating kids in the movie, but I take it that's not in the book. (What was with those floating kids anyway? They certainly didn't come back to life, so should we assume that was just another illusion?) It's a reference to corpses floating through the sewers (pretty sure at least one body is found washed up somewhere in town) as well as what happens when you look into the "Dead Lights", your mind "Floats" away as it were.
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as far as I can tell, there's at least 6 ways to parse the line "We all float down here" 1. All of us float in the air down in this location 2. We all float downstream and end up here, at the same location. 3. All our corpses float in the sewer water down here. 4. We all float downward, in the sense of "we neglected children are all drifting on a current toward this diminished/degraded state," as in poverty or drug addiction 5. We all float down here! --Emphasis on "floating" being something special and privileged, like a balloon floats. Pennywise would like children to be lured in by this idea. 6. We all float down here! -- Down here, we all engage in floating as one; down here, we are like our own Loser's Club, floating together. it's a line that's very suggestive of many different things at once, though it has some obvious literal meanings.
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Eshettar posted:I'm dying to know how the final battle will be handled in Chapter Two. Since the turtle was left out of Chapter One, will all the cosmic stuff be omitted completely in favor of sticking with the physical confrontation with the spider like the mini-series did? They're probably going to have a silhouette of the spider in front of the deadlights or something while Pennywise is fighting the adults.
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Democratic Pirate posted:My favorite part of the movie was Pennywise using a severed arm to wave at Mike with a big rear end grin on his face. The lady next to me was not amused when I laughed at the shot.. Mine too. I was the only one in the theater laughing. Somebody in front of me turned around to give me the stink eye. It's so loving over the top macabre I couldn't handle it.
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Cephas posted:as far as I can tell, there's at least 6 ways to parse the line "We all float down here" 7. A fake Jamaican took every last dime with that scam.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I got really excited when I saw the Bunyan statue. To be fair that bit was a bit over the top even in the book.
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Justin_Brett posted:To be fair that bit was a bit over the top even in the book. And a giant CGI Paul Bunyan wouldn't have been out of place in this movie. I remember being excited for a second when it showed up and then Richie said he was afraid of clowns and I was sad. I was discussing the movie with a coworker and he said he enjoyed it more on a second viewing, it gave him a chance to enjoy the movie without expectations. Maybe I'll get out to see it in the theater again, but I'll probably wait for video and give it another go. I'm especially interested to see if we get an extended cut down the line.
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Me too. I probably couldn't drag the husband to it again, but a director's cut will be something to look for during the holidays.
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I'm watching the miniseries again, and what really sticks out to me (aside how pretty 90s Annette O'toole was) is how Pennywise does nothing outside of vague threats to actually discourage the Adult Losers from entering his domain. I forgot how quickly Mike got sidelined, too. Was that in the book? E: this commentary is a joy. Adult Mike's actor claims that Mike stays in Derry to keep the town integrated. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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MisterBibs posted:I'm watching the miniseries again, and what really sticks out to me (aside how pretty 90s Annette O'toole was) is how Pennywise does nothing outside of vague threats to actually discourage the Adult Losers from entering his domain. Yeah I seem to remember Bowers sidelines him pretty soon after the group comes together. And I think it happens at Mike's house, but I could be wrong. I think when Pennywise is harassing the Losers as adults, he's betting on them actually giving up and loving off. Their grown-ups after all, they don't believe the way they did. Or so IT assumes and then gets rewarded for its hubris by having its heart torn out and the town blows the gently caress up. Honestly if Chapter 2 fucks up the town destruction I'm going to be so pissed. That's some of my favorite stuff from that book because it's total Stephen King disaster porn and I love that kinda thing. I need to see that town burn.
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Justin_Brett posted:To be fair that bit was a bit over the top even in the book. STILL
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