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boy undead posted:Don't North know you're supposed to pick up talent on the far side of your rebuild? North are terrified that a lengthy rebuild will be the end of their football club.
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North is the team I would least miss, after gold coast
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Sep 14, 2017 13:24
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North Melbourne are right up there with a a couple of NRL clubs in terms of not having a large and distinct enough geographic area to support a professional sports team in a high end national competition. That has always been their problem, and with the best will in the world I'm not sure it will ever stop being their problem.
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Sep 14, 2017 13:34
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NTRabbit posted:North Melbourne are right up there with a a couple of NRL clubs in terms of not having a large and distinct enough geographic area to support a professional sports team in a high end national competition. That has always been their problem, and with the best will in the world I'm not sure it will ever stop being their problem. I sorta get what you're saying, but wouldn't that apply to Collingwood, Richmond, Carlton, St Kilda, etc? They're all small inner-city suburbs which arguably fall under "Melbourne" as a region (the master club  ).
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Windmill Hut posted:I sorta get what you're saying, but wouldn't that apply to Collingwood, Richmond, Carlton, St Kilda, etc? They're all small inner-city suburbs which arguably fall under "Melbourne" as a region (the master club The problem for North is that they can't geographically expand west, east or north for a supporter base due to being surrounded by the Bulldogs, Essendon and Carlton, respectively. While Carlton/Coll/Rich/St K do have geographical areas that can expand into.
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Spedman posted:The problem for North is that they can't geographically expand west, east or north for a supporter base due to being surrounded by the Bulldogs, Essendon and Carlton, respectively. While Carlton/Coll/Rich/St K do have geographical areas that can expand into. Richmond seem pretty boxed in tbh - there's Collingwood, Hawthorn, St Kilda, and Melbourne basically at the cardinal directions.
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Sep 15, 2017 02:36
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Chifley posted:Richmond seem pretty boxed in tbh - there's Collingwood, Hawthorn, St Kilda, and Melbourne basically at the cardinal directions. Richmond always had people living in it. In fact, Richmond is one of the few of the old suburban clubs that still has it's membership heartland in the suburb of Richmond. North Melbourne didn't have that. Much of North and West Melbourne was industrial zoned (still is actually). People may have worked in North Melbourne, but they lived in Essendon, Footscray, Carlton, or Collingwood.
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Sep 15, 2017 02:49
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hiddenmovement posted:Richmond always had people living in it. In fact, Richmond is one of the few of the old suburban clubs that still has it's membership heartland in the suburb of Richmond. North Melbourne didn't have that. Much of North and West Melbourne was industrial zoned (still is actually). People may have worked in North Melbourne, but they lived in Essendon, Footscray, Carlton, or Collingwood. So which is it, geographic expansion possibilities or residential capacity locally?
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Chifley posted:So which is it, geographic expansion possibilities or residential capacity locally? Both. I'm saying you need one or the other, North had neither. Also total lack of success prior to 1970s probs didnt help.
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Sep 15, 2017 03:12
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ZombieJesus posted:North is the team I would least miss, after gold coast I put norf above other teams for two reasons. (1) I love seeing teams that I dont barrack for falling just short, again and again, and (2) IIRC they dont have pokies which is a good thing because pokies are loving evil.
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Sep 15, 2017 04:01
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I'm pretty pumped about the mad Monday costumes. Can Paddy top his 2016 form? Hard to see it.
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https://twitter.com/TroyHallam Melboourns
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Windmill Hut posted:I sorta get what you're saying, but wouldn't that apply to Collingwood, Richmond, Carlton, St Kilda, etc? They're all small inner-city suburbs which arguably fall under "Melbourne" as a region (the master club Our membership motto is more or less "from port melbourne to portsea" which encompasses a pretty large scale area.
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NTRabbit posted:North Melbourne are right up there with a a couple of NRL clubs in terms of not having a large and distinct enough geographic area to support a professional sports team in a high end national competition. That has always been their problem, and with the best will in the world I'm not sure it will ever stop being their problem. Over the last 10 years there has been a push to relocate Melbourne’s grade cricket teams to the outer suburbs/growth corridors, both to attract players in areas with growing populations and so that AFL teams don’t have to share facilities. Richmond Cricket Club has moved to Glen Waverley, South Melbourne to Casey, Hawthorn to Monash and Kingston,and North Melbourne to Greenvale. My point is they should send the football team to Greenvale and let the cricket club have Arden Street back.
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Sep 15, 2017 05:36
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Send North to Hobart, send the Gold Coast to Launceston, give Hawthorn 5mil a year
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Sep 15, 2017 06:08
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I wouldn't mind reading a bird's-eye history on how team support spread (or failed to spread) over time throughout the state. I live in the north-east suburbs which are a hodgepodge of different Victorian supporters, though with Coll, Ess, Rich and Carlton dominating.
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Sep 15, 2017 06:14
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Support seems to be more hereditary than geographic, at least as far as the Victorian clubs goes, or in cases like mine, you liked the colours or wanted to follow the same (or different) team as your mates (and also glory chasing, ha ha.) I think I've have to get the ABS to check out that weird phenomena where Collingwood families always seem to have that one kid who follows St Kilda. Having said that, since that other southern club took wing, Hawthorn and St Kilda have traditionally had the whole south of the Yarra to themselves, bolstered by that period where they shared Waverley as a home ground. (Maybe a bit of blowover for the Dees into Toorak and Praaaaaan.) We do have more Norf fans up here but that's more to do with this being their old country zone, and that factor seems to have diminished. The suburban zones got really weird in the latter years because as the city grew outwards they just sort of added bits wherever. Might have been some gerrymandering involved. 
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Sep 15, 2017 08:17
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The regional zones made no sense to me at all. Footscray gets Gippsland while St Kilda gets Ballarat? So Footscray would stretch to about Deer Park or Melton and then suddenly it turns into St. Kilda territory?
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Sep 15, 2017 08:22
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Pretty sure the Saints account for around 20% of the total memberships in that St Kilda to Sorrento coastal region.
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Sep 15, 2017 08:30
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Testekill posted:The regional zones made no sense to me at all. Footscray gets Gippsland while St Kilda gets Ballarat? So Footscray would stretch to about Deer Park or Melton and then suddenly it turns into St. Kilda territory?
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Sep 15, 2017 08:35
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Yeah surely as far as supporters go, geographical location is antiquated. The only things is can hinder are things like whether you can easily get to the home ground for open training sessions and maybe how likely someone from your club will turn up at a junior footy league session. You'd think it'd be a minimal factor in who you choose to support, especially in Melbourne these days.
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Sep 15, 2017 08:48
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Lonergan a late out for the Cats. Rhys Stanley replaces him. RIP Cats. Buddy to kick 10.
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Sep 15, 2017 10:02
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At least one of these teams has to lose tonight.
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Sep 15, 2017 10:29
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The Deadly Hume posted:At least one of these teams has to lose tonight. I'd prefer both tbh
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NTRabbit posted:I'd prefer both tbh I'd be down for another extra time final
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Sep 15, 2017 10:38
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If Sydney are not to be laughed out of the competition they have to win. But again, they're beatable at the G. I just hope its not a walkover.
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ewe2 posted:If Sydney are not to be laughed out of the competition they have to win. But again, they're beatable at the G. I just hope its not a walkover. Grueling. Long, grueling, and to as many extra times as are in the rules.
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Sep 15, 2017 10:43
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don't touch danger
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Sep 15, 2017 11:07
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When even the 7 commentary team are telling the umpires to go easy on the Dangerfield frees, you know there's a problem
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Sep 15, 2017 11:16
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That's a disgusting 50
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Sep 15, 2017 11:33
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This umpiring is stupidly technical for a final, making an unattractive match even less so
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Sep 15, 2017 11:37
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When did Dangerfield become a key forward?
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Sep 15, 2017 11:45
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Lol Sydney
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Sep 15, 2017 11:50
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Sydney will come back I reckon. Will be a close game
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Sep 15, 2017 11:54
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Swans should put someone on Dangerfield imo
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Sep 15, 2017 11:56
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Pretty deplorable first half from Sydney
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Sep 15, 2017 11:59
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I hope Sydney make it a contest, Geelong strolling it would be boring and the Sydney supporters I know may do themselves harm. And re: the club supporter bases, it was here that somebody posted the work Richmond did (in a video) to investigate which suburbs to target for supporters? Interesting data analysis all for the purposes of footy  but they looked at where young supporters moved to away from central Melbourne as they got older and had kids, and other locations that matched the demographics they were most interested in. They changed around the suburbs they targeted for things like open training, and it helped to grow their support membership base massively.
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Sep 15, 2017 12:00
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If Sydney don't charge out of the gate right after HT this game is gonna be over PDQ.
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Adelaide v Richmond GF looking good though. The two most deranged fanbases in footy yesssss.
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Honestly if Dangerfield hauls Geelong into a prelim it's going to be super disappointing as it addresses zero of the issues the Cats have had all year. I mean Sydney need to figure out how to come back from 6 goals down but drat if they aren't a much better balanced side overall.
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