Jobbo_Fett posted:

but Chris told me they were, why would He, the man in charge of this project which has raised 158 million dollars, vowed to treat me like a publisher, and refuses to let me look into their financial reports to see what their fiscal responsibility is like, lie to me? ME, of all people!

tooterfish posted:

I think you guys have been staring into the brown sea too long, you caught the retarded.

200 people in America and 200 people in Australia won't magically get more work done than 400 people in America because of timezones.

Tippis posted:

The whole idea also assumes that the actual work can be continuous and that the workers are fungible. This works for for some businesses — financial services or some type of research for instance. “Keep selling stock X” or “keep track of FCOJ prices” or “keep tracking signals from HIP 63835” or the aforementioned “have you tried turning it off and on again?” can be done at any hour of the day, and the next guy just keeps going where the last one stopped. It doesn't really work for a thought process, and that's pretty much what all development and artistry is.

It assumes a process of “while X is sleeping, Y can keep coding or designing feature ß; while Y is sleeping, X can do the same”. But what's actually happening is “while X is sleeping, Y is working feature ß; while Y is sleeping, X is working on feature α”. There is no continuity between the two that can or need to be maintained. There is no gain between that and having X and Y work on α and ß respectively during the exact same stretch of time.

So even if CIG could pull off the coordination required for proper continuity, the nature of their business has no continuity to coordinate to begin with. Sure, you could get some minor benefits from scheduling hand-offs between teams in such a way that they get exactly what they need for their part of the process just as they get to the office, but that just amounts to a couple of hours once a month, rather than the 3× increase in productivity that a 24h-chain is meant to provide over regular office hours. Once we add in the coordination costs, that benefit is pretty much instantly lost anyway and even that hypothetical ideal 3× increase will have been reduced to maybe 2×.

BloodyScab posted:

The devs themselves have said its caused numerous problems. No delta patcher means handing off the build requires a complete redownload. Communication and language issues for another.

peter gabriel posted:

I was just kidding around with you, the projects on track and everything's cool

toanoradian posted:

I've just learned about this fact recently so it's still in the "what the gently caress" stage in my mind, but seriously, what the gently caress? Even if the game is really good, I wouldn't redownload ~60GB file everytime there's an update. Absolute nonsense of a higher order, who thinks this was a good idea?

starkebn posted:

I have spent the last 3+ years wondering how anyone can see the clear evidence that the PU provides and still have faith that "Chris Roberts can do it if we just keep funding this", so no other questions of how or why anything is done really bothers me.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

O7

peter gabriel posted:

This is probably the most obvious example of CIG not really giving a gently caress about backers money that you can point at and it's a real thing.
God knows how much wasted bandwidth costs this causes every day, and it's money straight down the drain. So either something is very very wrong and preventing a delta patcher being made or CIG really are maliciously incompetent. Either way it's awesome.

aleksendr posted:

Some MMOs economy are worth more than 3rd world nation GDP.

A serious guild with dedicated players could credibly make bank if they invest time in a successfull game. I used to sold EQ items on the web, getting paid by western union money transfer and while not getting rich, it did pay for some fun stuff, beer and rig upgrades. I have no doubt some people with a lot of free time and decent rigs could band up and try to make money on the top games allowing for it.

aleksendr posted:

Ultimately they had to slow everyone down to bring the lighter mechs max speed within the limit the netcode could handle.

RubberJohnny posted:

That $45,000 refund has caused a huge number of other refunds since (which were already elevated after Gamescom), I think it's been a wakeup call and started a bit of a cascade

Dementropy posted:

RubberJohnny posted:

That $45,000 refund has caused a huge number of other refunds since (which were already elevated after Gamescom), I think it's been a wakeup call and started a bit of a cascade

PST posted:

SC cultists make eve players who think that it's okay to threaten to cut off people's hands as long as you're a content creator look balanced and reasonable in comparison.

big nipples big life posted:

Have you ever left work to drive home because you left your coffee on the kitchen counter? Because I just did that.

peter gabriel posted:

glad of it I am

Toblakai posted:

Are you calling ... an ELE?

big nipples big life posted:

Cao Ni Ma posted:

*rushes into thread, out of breath*

c...called it!

Hav posted:

That's either some drat good coffee or a short commute.

Toops posted:

So if I'm reading this right...


Why did anyone at any point expect honesty, respect, or like, a game? Chris Roberts has a near-perfect history of tripping over his own dick, never finishing anything, pissing off the people who pay him, and bankrupting companies, And here it is right here, in writing.

starkebn posted:

just remember, the full Dr Dr Derek Smart definition of an ELE is not an immediate collapse but a years long collapse with multiple opportunities to say "called it"

big nipples big life posted:

If another jr programmer leaves it could be the final tipping point that causes CIG to end in a fiery explosion.

RubberJohnny posted:

That $45,000 refund has caused a huge number of other refunds since (which were already elevated after Gamescom), I think it's been a wakeup call and started a bit of a cascade

The Titanic posted:

My best guess would be because when he began, the project was just Freelancer/Privateer where you could walk around a planet location or big ship. It wasn't too crazy or off the wall until money happened.

RubberJohnny posted:

That $45,000 refund has caused a huge number of other refunds since (which were already elevated after Gamescom), I think it's been a wakeup call and started a bit of a cascade

peter gabriel posted:

The tipping point is when someone gets up off a couch they are sharing with Ben

Ben fat