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Since I like UHC and a $15 minimum wage, I'd prefer Bernie stay
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Sep 14, 2017 15:45
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withak posted:Someone start a GoFundMe campaign to pay Hillary and Bernie to quietly disappear from public life forever. Frankly, all you have to do is convince the alt-right that there's a pedophilia ring operated out of one of their homes, and eventually someone will show up with a gun.
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Sep 14, 2017 15:46
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withak posted:Someone start a GoFundMe campaign to pay Hillary and Bernie to quietly disappear from public life forever. I understand why people want to bury the memory of the Dem primary in an effort to unify the left, although in my opinion it was a fairly tame contest. Especially compared to the Republican Thunderdome. However there was yet another recent poll where Sanders is one of the most popular national politicians at +18% favorability. For reference both Trump and HRC are hanging around 0% in this same poll. It's important for Democrats to understand why this is the case, even if it means endlessly re-litigating the primary contest. In the context of America's dumb political system where the presidential race is all-important Sanders and HRC are symbols of the struggle to define the future direction of the national Democrat party. Also good luck convincing one of the most popular politicians in the country to retire. It would have to be a pretty successful gofundme. edit: misread the poll, HRC is apparently at -10% net favorability. Poor Hillary, it's unlikely anyone can overcome two decades of focused negative propaganda. Nocturtle fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 16:36
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David Wong posted:One genre of angry message I've gotten over the years goes something like "I've been a daily reader since 2010 and thought you were the good guys, but after seeing [joke/article they found offensive], I'm realizing how wrong I was! Goodbye forever." Think about that for a moment. They are claiming to have read and enjoyed literally thousands of articles and videos before encountering one single offensive idea, at which point they declared the whole enterprise a loss. That's super weird. This seems to be making some big assumptions. They person in question may have been offended before by something here and there, but if somebody breaks off like that it means something was beyond the pale. "I one genre of angry message I've gotten over the years goes something like "I've been a daily reader since 2010 and I thought you were the good guys, but after seeing the article where you revealed that you were a pedophile, I'm realizing how wrong I was! Goodbye forever!" That wouldn't be super weird would it? David Wong posted:It is right about here that you realize the cause was never what was important. The group was what was important -- having a bunch of like-minded people standing and fighting alongside you. After all, was it ever about the dog, or was it about what the dog symbolized? So maybe you wouldn't sacrifice yourself for the cause -- you can always get another dog -- but would you sacrifice yourself for your friends, these people who you know would damned well do the same for you? Absolutely! *Beep Boop* You can always get another dog.
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Sep 14, 2017 16:37
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WampaLord posted:This essentially sums up my views on it as well. We can't put the gun toothpaste back in the tube at this point, let's just focus on poo poo like making sure we don't destroy the earth and that people have a right to healthcare and poo poo like that. dwarf74 posted:Gun control is one thing that rural people seem to care about more than anything else. With such rural Americans I can only imagine there is a lot of overlap between anti-Obamacare voters, anti-abortion voters, anti-immigration voters and gun-rights voters. Progressive candidates have already lost so many gun-rights voters that I don't view support of gun regulations as causing losses in any but edge cases.    
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Sep 14, 2017 16:38
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withak posted:Someone start a GoFundMe campaign to pay Hillary and Bernie to quietly disappear from public life forever. Please don't equivocate a lifelong public servant and long-serving senator who is trying to materially help people other then himself, to a carpet-bagging huckster of no consideration. TIA! There is a thread in this forum to talk about the latter if you just can't help yourself for some reason.
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Sep 14, 2017 16:59
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withak posted:Someone start a GoFundMe campaign to pay Hillary and Bernie to quietly disappear from public life forever. Ahahaha, one's actually seeing some progress in support of single payer, the other one wrote a book that blames everyone for their loss. WON'T THEY BOTH JUST GO AWAY?!
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Sep 14, 2017 17:08
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RZA Encryption posted:WON'T THEY BOTH JUST GO AWAY?! Exactly.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:14
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Boon posted:Exactly. Personally I think we need all the good senators we can get and would encourage them all to speak more forcefully about things like UHC, a higher federal wage, GMI, and other such social goods. In fact I find wanting them to "go away" to be very suspect and reflects poorly on the speaker.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:17
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RZA Encryption posted:Ahahaha, one's actually seeing some progress in support of single payer, the other one wrote a book that blames everyone for their loss. WON'T THEY BOTH JUST GO AWAY?! Speaking of the single-payer bill (is this the right thread to talk about this?), one of the things that Sanders doesn't get enough credit for is actually putting out a substantive bill which can begin the legislative conversation. The current conversation around Medicare-For-All definitely needs to be as substantive as possible so that Congresspeople aren't just attaching themselves to an empty proposal like Republicans did with "Repeal Obamacare". It's critical to have this conversation now, warts and all, so that when the Democrats do form a majority again, they have consensus and a piece of legislation with which they can hit the ground running.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:21
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Personally I think we need all the good senators we can get and would encourage them all to speak more forcefully about things like UHC, a higher federal wage, GMI, and other such social goods. In fact I find wanting them to "go away" to be very suspect and reflects poorly on the speaker. Look, if someone isn't in 100% in agreement with me in the manner that I choose I don't want them on my side. Also, I WILL NOT take context into consideration. I don't believe this Boon fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 17:22
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Democrazy posted:Speaking of the single-payer bill (is this the right thread to talk about this?), one of the things that Sanders doesn't get enough credit for is actually putting out a substantive bill which can begin the legislative conversation. The current conversation around Medicare-For-All definitely needs to be as substantive as possible so that Congresspeople aren't just attaching themselves to an empty proposal like Republicans did with "Repeal Obamacare". It's critical to have this conversation now, warts and all, so that when the Democrats do form a majority again, they have consensus and a piece of legislation with which they can hit the ground running. You can criticize Sanders if you want, but he is making an effort here on actual policy.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:24
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withak posted:Someone start a GoFundMe campaign to pay Hillary and Bernie to quietly disappear from public life forever. The think I worry about isn't Clinton vs Sanders so much as BLM vs Leftists. Democrats need the votes of minorities who are not necessarily very leftist apart from affirmative action, voter rights, murdercops and so on. Black voters are Democrats but it's not a given that they're in favor of gay rights, high taxes, government regulation, etc. Edit: Regarding Medicare-FA, had anyone put a credible number to how high tax rates would increase to fund it? PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 17:25
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the redeeming virtue of the moderate centrist is that they genuinely do have no beliefs. while they reflexively oppose progressive policy on the vague principle that doing anything is worse than doing nothing, their opposition is just as flaccid and ephemeral as their support. as every protest movement in history has demonstrated, they can be safely ignored.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:26
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PerniciousKnid posted:The think I worry about isn't Clinton vs Sanders so much as BLM vs Leftists. Democrats need the votes of minorities who are not necessarily very leftist apart from affirmative action, voter rights, murdercops and so on. Black voters are Democrats but it's not a given that they're in favor of gay rights, high taxes, government regulation, etc. the problem with that is depending on the angle you take the number can either inflate into infinity or fall to effectively negative. what's the window in which you're calculating, do you allow for the increased negotiating power of universal health care to have dropped prices any, do you assume that the intrusion of government will magically cause prices to rise, at what point do you set the extrapolations to occur, etc, etc, and that's all before you start talking about any specifics in the actual bill.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:33
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Boon posted:Look, if someone isn't in 100% in agreement with me in the manner that I choose I don't want them on my side. Also, I WILL NOT take context into consideration. At this point, it's not about being in 100% agreement with anyone. No one here is in 100% agreement with Bernie Sanders, or really anyone else here. That's not why people here are calling for Hillary Clinton to go away. It's because right now, Sanders is doing something constructive for the Democrats, she's not, and yet she's pretending like she's taking the high road by "calling on him" to be "helpful." Like, seriously, can you really not see what's lovely about that? She's the one standing in the way of party unity.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:35
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FlamingLiberal posted:Correct. The party has refused to set much of an agenda beyond the standard 'Trump Bad' which as we know worked so well in 2016. Well there is also a rapidly diminishing wing of the party screaming about Russia, but yea it would be nice if they would unify around healthcare for a start. It would be a great thing to run on in 2018 and maybe not get blown out like they are on track to do now.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:37
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PerniciousKnid posted:The think I worry about isn't Clinton vs Sanders so much as BLM vs Leftists. Democrats need the votes of minorities who are not necessarily very leftist apart from affirmative action, voter rights, murdercops and so on. Black voters are Democrats but it's not a given that they're in favor of gay rights, high taxes, government regulation, etc. This is only true if you think of BLM as the handful of centrist democrats that have become associated with the movement like Deray McKesson or Brittany Packnett. BLM, DSA and most other leftwing organizations get along just fine in every single protest so far. Edit: and even then, that is not true regarding gay rights. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 17:38
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The only leftist group that people don't get along with is RCP and it's their own fault.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:58
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Jaxyon posted:The only leftist group that people don't get along with is RCP and it's their own fault. Does TYT count as a leftist group? Cause they are pretty terrible as well.
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Sep 14, 2017 17:59
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PerniciousKnid posted:The think I worry about isn't Clinton vs Sanders so much as BLM vs Leftists. Democrats need the votes of minorities who are not necessarily very leftist apart from affirmative action, voter rights, murdercops and so on. Black voters are Democrats but it's not a given that they're in favor of gay rights, high taxes, government regulation, etc. Also I'd like to add that the idea that black folks are any more homophobic than any other group is a racist myth.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:00
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Does TYT count as a leftist group? Cause they are pretty terrible as well. That's fair. Also whatever new media group Jimmy Dore is part of. What a dumb piece of poo poo he is.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Does TYT count as a leftist group? Cause they are pretty terrible as well. Imho we need more far far left crazy talk radio. We must not allow a talk radio gap! TYT was fairly mad during the election in particular, and I don't mean "angry"
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Sep 14, 2017 18:06
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Majorian posted:That's fair. yeah, I'm okay with most of the others despite not wanting to listen to them, but Dore is essentially the Mark Levin of the left. the left does need a presence in talk radio, and TYT fills that void somewhat. there are a few others like Randi Rhodes, but most others are regional and have few listeners. Air america failed because the left doesn't really like talk radio, and the corporate behemoths will crush you. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 18:08
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https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/908376369956089856 Waiting for more info but you should expect is covering currently serving troops with any extra protections as a bonus
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Sep 14, 2017 18:10
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Majorian posted:At this point, it's not about being in 100% agreement with anyone. No one here is in 100% agreement with Bernie Sanders, or really anyone else here. That's not why people here are calling for Hillary Clinton to go away. It's because right now, Sanders is doing something constructive for the Democrats, she's not, and yet she's pretending like she's taking the high road by "calling on him" to be "helpful." Read the spoiler man. To be clear: yes, I get it, Hillary isn't a leader of the party anymore but still wields influence and it's not being used constructively. Single-payer, once again, has momentum (what, the 7th or 8th time?), but let's not pretend this is some new concept that only one man could have pushed. Bernie deserves some credit for making it an issue in the campaign, but the high-level attempt to repeal the ACA and the subsequent failure is what really cast it into the spotlight among a wider audience than just the Democrats. Boon fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Sep 14, 2017 18:11
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https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/908345439598104577 https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/908346681216954368
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Sep 14, 2017 18:22
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/908345439598104577 meth is so 2015
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Sep 14, 2017 18:24
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I wonder if you linked Kurt to some hentai with a flashing gif embedded it would kill him
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Sep 14, 2017 18:25
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I wonder if you linked Kurt to some hentai with a flashing gif embedded it would kill him he'd just show it to his adult sons
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Sep 14, 2017 18:26
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I... think I agree with Kurt.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:26
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If anything he's being too generous. The *ONLY* reason is because they're hispanic.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:28
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I wonder if you linked Kurt to some hentai with a flashing gif embedded it would kill him No, but you get to go to jail.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:28
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Boon posted:Read the spoiler man. Oops, I misunderstood what you meant. quote:To be clear: yes, I get it, Hillary isn't a leader of the party anymore but still wields influence and it's not being used constructively. Sure, I don't think anyone here would deny that. Contrary to how Sanders' supporters are often portrayed, we're not a personality cult. We like Bernie a lot, but if another Democratic legislator were proposing this and doing the legwork for it, guess what? We'd be thrilled! We'd love that person too. Yes, possibly even if it were Booker. (although he'd probably be a very different person if he were the one spearheading the whole thing) This isn't some sort of "Every good thing going forward is all thanks to Bernie!" delusion. He's just the one doing the most heavy lifting on this issue right now.
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Sep 14, 2017 18:29
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Main Paineframe posted:A lot of people aren't generally satisfied by their health insurance, though. That's why there's such a push for healthcare reform in the first place - not only are people not satisfied with their own health insurance, but they're not happy about the entire insurance system as it currently exists. http://khn.org/news/despite-kvetching-most-consumers-satisfied-with-health-plans-poll/ quote:The Kaiser Family Foundation poll revealed that 71 percent of insured adults younger than 65 considered the health care services they receive to be either “excellent” or “good” values. (KHN is an editorially independent program of the foundation.) A majority — 61 percent — said their insurance plan was either excellent or good, given its cost. That's a lot of people that might not be thrilled with the government saying you can't have your plan anymore, even if the government plan is better. Look, I want single payer to pass. Because I want it to pass though, I think it's really important we take into consideration what resistance from the public there might be, so we can think of ways to address it. I think there's a better way to virtually eliminate the private insurance market than telling people they can no longer get private insurance plans.
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Jazerus posted:meth is so 2015 Meths still pretty popular. I wouldn't mind changing gun control to gun safety but I'm a rural hick who likes shooting stuff.
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Ague Proof posted:You know when people say Clinton was impeached for lying to the American people - "depends on what Is means" - do they ever bring up Reagan's best quote? It was "it depends on what your definition of is is." To explain that his statement of "There is nothing going on between us" was not a false statement because they had ended their affair two months before the statement. Please get our Presidential blowjob history correct.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Racism is a boring thing that white people love? :p The biggest fans of baseball are actually Latinos and the Japanese. Polygynous posted:stockholder lives(???) matter Chic-Fil-A isn't a publicly traded company. They also limit all franchisees to only one store, so the people who own and work in the local Chic-Fil-A all live in the area. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:Oops, I misunderstood what you meant. Bernie supporters went nuts over Tulsi Gabbard because she chose Bernie over Hillary. It was very much a personality cult.
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