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Man there are so many people on TheForce.net butthurt over this it's great.
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Except it wasn't fun or watchable, it was bad and boring.
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thrawn527 posted:I agree, though some days I'd say it's the second best. I go back and forth on 6. The shapeshifter stuff is a little too silly. And Kim Cattrall's search for the space boots loses me every time. But god drat is Christopher Plummer so good in it. Yep, exactly.
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The only Trek movies I would comfortably agree are worse than 09 are The Voyage Home, Nemesis, and Into Darkness. Abrams directed 2 of the worst 4 Trek movies, and his Wars movie was in the bottom half of the 8 made to date, that's not a record that should see him get the chair in another space movie.
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Sep 14, 2017 13:03
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Literally every TNG Trek movie is worse than the entire reboot series. Probably Search for Spock, as well. Edit: But that's beside the point when it comes to whether he should do Episode IX. I think Force Awakens is just okay, but it made a ton of money and, in Disney's eyes, successfully primed the Star Wars pump. He's one of the safest choices, but he makes sense from their point of view. LesterGroans fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Sep 14, 2017 |
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NTRabbit posted:The only Trek movies I would comfortably agree are worse than 09 are The Voyage Home, Nemesis, and Into Darkness. Abrams directed 2 of the worst 4 Trek movies, and his Wars movie was in the bottom half of the 8 made to date, that's not a record that should see him get the chair in another space movie. His financial record is the one that get him the chair in another space movie. And the critical success of his movies. Which are basically the two ways to determine if people, in general, liked a movie. I mean, I'm sorry you don't like his movies, but you shouldn't expect him to not get another job. He's made studios a poo poo ton of money, and made movies that are very well received by critics and the movie going public alike.
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Sep 14, 2017 13:15
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I also don't know by what criteria a studio determines a movie is "bad", since from their viewpoint both Abrams Star Trek movies had strong critical reviews and were modest financial successes.
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The MSJ posted:I also don't know by what criteria a studio determines a movie is "bad", since from their viewpoint both Abrams Star Trek movies had strong critical reviews and were modest financial successes. Star Trek '09 is the most financially successful Star Trek movie ever, even after adjusted for inflation. When adjusted, Into Darkness only drops from #2 to #4. They were hits in the Star Trek series.
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Sep 14, 2017 14:19
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NTRabbit posted:The only Trek movies I would comfortably agree are worse than 09 are The Voyage Home, Nemesis, and Into Darkness. Abrams directed 2 of the worst 4 Trek movies, and his Wars movie was in the bottom half of the 8 made to date, that's not a record that should see him get the chair in another space movie. I'm not a huge fan of 09 either but lmao it is not worse than Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
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Neo Rasa posted:I'm not a huge fan of 09 either but lmao it is not worse than Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. 5 gains a lot of goodwill with me based solely on "What does God need with a starship?" And some genuinely great acting from Deforest Kelley. But it's a complete poo poo show outside of that.
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Sep 14, 2017 14:38
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Neo Rasa posted:I'm not a huge fan of 09 either but lmao it is not worse than Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. I think you'll find that Final Frontier doesn't exist, and never happened, much like the Sinbad movie Shazaam and the two Matrix sequels.
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Sep 14, 2017 15:41
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My favorite story about 5 was that Shatner asked Paramount for the raw footage from the movie so he could do a "Director's Cut" version like The Motion Picture got, with cleaned up visuals and maybe even special effects, and they basically said, "lol, no."quote:Asked by IGN Filmforce if Paramount had considered adding new special effects or reediting, Shatner said: "No, they wouldn't give it to me [...] They considered it for about 5 minutes."
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Sep 14, 2017 15:45
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Jerk McJerkface posted:My sister in law liked it. Her review was "I liked it, everyone was so cute." This causes me a bit of reflexive anger, because while it can certainly be stated that Star Trek has some scientific and drat near literary legitimacy from time to time, the cheesecake cute people factor was certainly in full effect. I mean you can sort girls into KIRK or SPOCK girls for a reason. thrawn527 posted:5 gains a lot of goodwill with me based solely on "What does God need with a starship?" And some genuinely great acting from Deforest Kelley. But it's a complete poo poo show outside of that. 5 has like four or five really amazing moments, but geez, what a mess otherwise. I mean once you read, "According to William Shatner, the film's main plot themes and elements were inspired by the televangelist movement of the late 1980s." you get more of a sense of oh, I guess that IS what they were doing, but... And Deforest Kelley was always too drat good for Star Trek, which is not at all an indictment of the series, he was just always the best part of it. edit: but I'd preorder a directors cut of V.
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AlternateAccount posted:edit: but I'd preorder a directors cut of V. Oh sure. Make those CGI rock monsters you want, Shatner. I'm sure that will make it a good movie.
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Sep 14, 2017 16:44
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AlternateAccount posted:I mean you can sort girls into KIRK or SPOCK girls for a reason. ...so you can fire all the SPOCK girls into the sun!
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Electromax posted:...so you can fire all the SPOCK girls into the sun! Highly illogical.
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So something occurred to me the other day while watching an interview with Mark Hamill, where he's complaining about his "contractually obligated beard", saying that, "As soon as we're done shooting, this thing is gone." They've already wrapped filming on TLJ, presumably. So he must mean for Episode IX, right? Meaning he lives through TLJ? edit: Or is a force ghost. Duh. Dumb thrawn527.
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Sep 21, 2017 18:11
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thrawn527 posted:So something occurred to me the other day while watching an interview with Mark Hamill, where he's complaining about his "contractually obligated beard", saying that, "As soon as we're done shooting, this thing is gone." They've already wrapped filming on TLJ, presumably. So he must mean for Episode IX, right? Meaning he lives through TLJ? I feel like even if Luke was scheduled to die in TLJ that prooobably got shelved once they realized they wouldn't have Leia anymore.
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like even if Luke was scheduled to die in TLJ that prooobably got shelved once they realized they wouldn't have Leia anymore. He's Disney's last major link to the money factory that is the OT. Luke is effectively immortal.
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Sep 21, 2017 18:58
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He could easily die but come back as a Force Ghost for IX.
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euphronius posted:I know . A lindelof Star Wars would be fantastic but . What can you do. Have you *seen* Tomorrowland?
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Sep 21, 2017 19:17
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Holy poo poo, Disney, which manufactured the commercially pure and perfect products Rogue One and Force Awakens, rehired JJ Abrams after a creative freedom dispute with another director? I can't loving believe it. Also, porgs look like Pokemon ripoffs. This is so lame. I'll probably enjoy it.
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Sep 21, 2017 19:58
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I don't want the dude who made The Book of Henry anywhere near this.
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Remulak posted:Have you *seen* Tomorrowland? No Was it as good as Prometheus ?
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:a creative freedom dispute with another director? I can't loving believe it. Trevorrow was a bad idea from the start. Book of Henry was a wake-up call.
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euphronius posted:No Prometheus sucked rear end. although that was like minimally lindlof's fault. he was brought on at the very last minute to try and salvage the script iirc
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Sep 22, 2017 02:05
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Disney execs saw Book of Henry and they got shook. Hard. Colin Trevorrow more like Boring Tomorrow. *fistpump; fuckin' nailed it*
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BarronsArtGallery posted:Prometheus sucked rear end. Yeah, to be fair to the guy his interest in creating unsolved "myseries" probably helped gloss over many of the issues the script had previously.
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Sep 22, 2017 03:49
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The Alien Engineers script is actually good and makes sense; the Lindelof rewrite was mandated by Ridley Scott because he wanted to remove all traces of Alien (it had Xenomorphs, it was set on the original planet, bunch of poo poo) and make his weird standalone statement.
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Szmitten posted:The Alien Engineers script is actually good and makes sense; the Lindelof rewrite was mandated by Ridley Scott because he wanted to remove all traces of Alien (it had Xenomorphs, it was set on the original planet, bunch of poo poo) and make his weird standalone statement. It's insanely boring. People creep through caves and hallways to shoot an alien. A professor stumbles into a room full of eggs and peeks into one. David teaches himself trinary to escape his programming. Weyland is here to steal the secrets of terraforming, because that's what Weyland does in Aliens. It's even more like AvP than the final Prometheus script.
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CelticPredator posted:Prometheus rules. I liked prometheus, it had rough issues with it but overall a cool new direction... then alien covenant came along and pissed on itself and anything that made prometheus any good.
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Sep 22, 2017 19:24
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Nah, Covenant rules, too.
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Gonz posted:Disney execs saw Book of Henry and they got shook. Hard. Maybe but I think it was more Abrams agreeing to direct which forced out Trevorow.
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euphronius posted:Maybe but I think it was more Abrams agreeing to direct which forced out Trevorow. Oh, I really don't think so. And if so, they would only try to get Abrams because they really didn't want Trevorrow, so it's basically the same thing. The whole thing reads to me that they didn't like where Trevorrow was taking Episode IX, Book of Henry reviews gave them some cover/excuses, kicked him off the movie, and went with someone they know can finish a movie how they want. It was pretty obvious the moment Trevorrow was out that it was going to be either Abrams or Rian Johnson.
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They asked Rian first but he declined because he couldn't commit the necessary time to jump right into Episode 9 pre-production while there's still so much to do with Episode 8.
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G-III posted:I liked prometheus, it had rough issues with it but overall a cool new direction... then alien covenant came along and pissed on itself and anything that made prometheus any good. Prometheus has grown on me like some sort of tumor. It took some time now I like it. But Covenant...egads, not sure about that one.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:They asked Rian first but he declined because he couldn't commit the necessary time to jump right into Episode 9 pre-production while there's still so much to do with Episode 8. The film's completely finished, actually. Still, can't blame the dude for wanting to take it easy.
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i think this is the only spoiler thread in history without any actual spoilers Has there been any leaks along the lines of "han solo dies in the third act?" also it amazes me that everyone who read that leak kept it under wraps. There were no videos of people driving by the movie theater shouting it out and nobody blaring it on facebook. I was actually in awe that everyone was so respectful about not loving over other people for once.
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Cross-Section posted:The film's completely finished, actually. He still needs to spend the next 4 months doing press and publicity for the film.
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