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Would you have preferred some projections owl? It seems fair to say what they did say, to me.
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withak posted:Now all they need to do is run the barley through an automated malting system and then through an automated brewing system. And then through an automated drinking and pissing system.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That seems like a dumb metric to measure cost. Like of course it was going to cost a ton if you bought a whole new tractor for a tiny test crop. That doesn't seem to tell anything at all about the price. Which metric are you talking about? The article specifically points out that the majority of the cost was capital and that the next harvest will be cheaper. There's also this, which is something that doesn't get brought up all that much when people start pearl clutching over robots taking our jerbs: quote:While it’s possible that at some point there might be significant labor savings by fully automating farming like this, there are lots of other, more immediate benefits. With fully autonomous farm vehicles, you can use a bunch of smaller ones much more effectively than a few larger ones, which is what the trend has been toward if you need a human sitting in the driver’s seat. This means higher precision, minimal soil compaction, cost savings, and increased flexibility to deal with mechanical breakdowns. Without the need for daylight, you could also keep a farm active 24/7 with a very small human workforce just there (or even checking in remotely) in a supervisory capacity. A lot of times we automate stuff because the robots are actually better at it than we are.
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Paradoxish posted:Which metric are you talking about? The article specifically points out that the majority of the cost was capital and that the next harvest will be cheaper. Yeah, but that is a pretty doofy metric. Like if someone made a new type of cheese that cost half as much as regular cheese then opened an entire pizza shop, bought the building and the oven and then made one pizza to test the cheese and that pizza cost 83,000 dollars telling me that is pretty useless compared to saying "cost the same as any other pizza, but the cheese cost 40 cents less".
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Paradoxish posted:There's also this, which is something that doesn't get brought up all that much when people start pearl clutching over robots taking our jerbs:
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That seems like a dumb metric to measure cost. Like of course it was going to cost a ton if you bought a whole new tractor for a tiny test crop. That doesn't seem to tell anything at all about the price. I suppose it might be interesting to see how the cost would compare to conventional farming if you did stuff like properly depreciate the equipment and scaled it up as large as you could area-wise. That said, the important metric is probably the 33% loss in yield.
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Rastor posted:Ars reporter tries on the car seat costume: quote:Schaudt also said he alerted Arlington County officials of the test. The car was never pulled over, though one police officer shook his head as he drove by on a motorcycle, according to Schaudt.
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I'm prepared to be broken down into a slurry that will be used to lubricate our robotic replacements. Are you?
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Self operating excavation equipment: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16502868/built-robotics-autonomous-bulldozer-excavation-google
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Makes sense, construction is a much more controlled environment than streets, and "obstacle in way, just stop where you are until it's gone" is a much more acceptable response for an excavator than it is for a car on the road.
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Rastor posted:Self operating excavation equipment: bulldozers were good when they took 400 people's jobs digging and replaced them with one guy driving but are definitely bad when they replace the one guy.
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Cicero posted:Makes sense, construction is a much more controlled environment than streets, and "obstacle in way, just stop where you are until it's gone" is a much more acceptable response for an excavator than it is for a car on the road. Yeah autonomous and remote controlled vehicles are already heavily used in some mining operations for those reasons and the added bonus of reduced safety overhead.
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Rastor posted:Self operating excavation equipment: sweet, gaza won't know what hit 'em
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Borrowing from the USPOL thread: Why Workers Are Losing to Capitalists hint: it's automation (oh and maybe offshoring and monopolies too)
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Tax policy probably has something to do with it too.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:bulldozers were good when they took 400 people's jobs digging and replaced them with one guy driving but are definitely bad when they replace the one guy. In your mind, who are you arguing against?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:bulldozers were good when they took 400 people's jobs digging and replaced them with one guy driving but are definitely bad when they replace the one guy. One difference is those 400 people had much less of a capacity to organize and make their voices heard then than the one guy does today. Of course, when those 400 could organize they had much more of an impact then than the one guy does now, but hey, at least the one guy makes sure everyone knows just how screwed he is just before poverty kills him and his family, which is more than most of the losers of the various economic revolutions got.
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Baronash posted:In your mind, who are you arguing against? Youre fuckin mom loser
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when will a robot be able to get a mortgage and a credit card? That is the day the police robots will begin rounding us up
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Rastor posted:Self operating excavation equipment: They should just let the general public drive the equipment. I know I'd drive a giant bulldozer or dump truck for free for a few days.
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Arglebargle III posted:when will a robot be able to get a mortgage and a credit card? That is the day the police robots will begin rounding us up when there are no more jobs nobody will be able to state their income on a credit card application
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Hey nerds, here is a proclick, it has lots of charts https://medium.com/basic-income/the-real-story-of-automation-beginning-with-one-simple-chart-8b95f9bad71b
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Rastor posted:Hey nerds, here is a proclick, it has lots of charts Real interesting article with pretty images .Thanks for posting!.
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Does anyone know what the definition of robot is in the statistic robots per worker? I have tried google but I can't find anything.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Borrowing from the USPOL thread: Why Workers Are Losing to Capitalists quote:A perfect storm of robots and free trade -- and some monopoly power to boot -- could be shifting power from the proletariat to the capitalists. That's optimistic, the author believes that the proletariat still has some power.
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David Beckham posted:Does anyone know what the definition of robot is in the statistic robots per worker? It's based on industrial jobs only and doesn't count software or AI, if that helps. But yeah an official definition would be interesting.
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Waymo's gonna start testing snow fo realz now in Detroit: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/26/16552598/waymo-michigan-self-driving-car-testquote:Waymo is bringing its fleet of self-driving cars to Detroit, a city steeped in car history. The Alphabet unit announced today that it would begin testing its autonomous vehicles in Michigan just in time for an icy winter. The goal would appear to be twofold: teach self-driving cars how to handle slippery, unplowed roads; and thumb their nose at the legacy automakers who are scrambling to keep up to Alphabet’s big head start in autonomy.
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Question: how good are people in snowy winter climes at switching to winter tires? I know it's a thing that gets recommended all the time, but I get the impression that many don't bother (I know I didn't when I was living in Utah). If so, that might be one advantage a self-driving taxi service could have over the average human driver when it comes to dealing with snow.
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Answer: it's illegal to drive without them here so that isn't an issue? Then again... "here" is Scandinavia and we exist to be 
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Cicero posted:Question: how good are people in snowy winter climes at switching to winter tires? I know it's a thing that gets recommended all the time, but I get the impression that many don't bother (I know I didn't when I was living in Utah). If so, that might be one advantage a self-driving taxi service could have over the average human driver when it comes to dealing with snow. In Wisconsin most people just run all seasons and deal with getting stuck occasionally. I was religious about snow tires when I was driving a miata but not so much with my mazda 3. You just learn to drive smart in snow and rock yourself out when you get stuck. And a lot of truck owners will keep a tow line in their truck to help out anyone they notice stick.
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Walmart is now starting to use robots to find merchandise problems in the aisles: http://www.businessinsider.com/walm...lley+Insider%29quote:The robots scan aisles for out-of-stock items, items put in the wrong place by customers, incorrect prices, and wrong or missing labels. They continuously go up and down the aisles of the store, alerting human employees of errors it sees. That makes employees more efficient at correcting errors and automates a task employees say they don’t like.
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Cicero posted:Waymo's gonna start testing snow fo realz now in Detroit: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/26/16552598/waymo-michigan-self-driving-car-test I wonder if Uber is going to do that with its self-driving cars in Pittsburgh. Last I checked, dealing with inclement weather was one of the biggest obstacles to letting cars drive themselves unsupervised - whoever holds the patents related to solving that problem is going to rake in the big bucks.
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Cicero posted:Question: how good are people in snowy winter climes at switching to winter tires? I know it's a thing that gets recommended all the time, but I get the impression that many don't bother (I know I didn't when I was living in Utah). If so, that might be one advantage a self-driving taxi service could have over the average human driver when it comes to dealing with snow. I also live in a socialist hellscape and people are pretty good at switching (having it be mandated by law helps  )
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In the US, I think it depends an awful lot on how bad the winters actually get in your area. People are idiots when it comes to switching out tires in parts of the US where it snows every winter, but where you can also theoretically get by on summer/all-season tires (ie, more southern parts of the northeast). It's rare for a single winter to go by where one of my idiot friends doesn't end up stuck or in a ditch because they decided a few inches of snow isn't that bad and they can totally get to work on their old rear end summer tires. People seem to be better about it in areas where the weather gets bad enough that you probably aren't getting out of your driveway without proper tires for your car.
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Machines seem like they would be much better at hazard driving. People panic and it happens too suddenly to think clearly when they slip. But there is actual correct answers for what to do and a computer can calmly do them.
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No content post I'll admit but FFS don't derail into self driving cars again.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Machines seem like they would be much better at hazard driving. People panic and it happens too suddenly to think clearly when they slip. But there is actual correct answers for what to do and a computer can calmly do them. Right up until you careen off a mountain pass because a patch of snow confused the car's computer for half a second.
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Baronash posted:Right up until you careen off a mountain pass because a patch of snow confused the car's computer for half a second. That happens with people drivers too though. At least with machines you can slide 500 cars of a cliff and work out the official best answer on how to deal with snow patches on cliffs.
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Check out some nVidia research's newest work on AI generation of images: https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/30/neural-network-nvidia-images-celebs/
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