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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:When was that attitude ever justifiable?? So you're not familiar with how agriculture worked for a long while, or what?
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:When was that attitude ever justifiable?? Literally most of human history up until the post-war period and even then only for some parts of the world. Human's can make do without a lot but we can't live without food, shelter and clothing.
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Sep 15, 2017 04:15
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You don't work, you don't eat, is a maxim for murderous penal camps. We have evidence of Neanderthal burials of disabled people who definitely needed to be supported by others their whole life. You're thinking of extreme survival situations, which are an aberration, not the normal day to day.
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Sep 15, 2017 04:26
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You don't work, you don't eat, is a maxim for murderous penal camps. We have evidence of Neanderthal burials of disabled people who definitely needed to be supported by others their whole life. You're thinking of extreme survival situations, which are an aberration, not the normal day to day. Neanderthals weren't agricultural people in the historical era.
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Sep 15, 2017 04:29
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Neanderthals were arguably not even people, or at least that's what our ancestors must have been telling themselves as they murdered the poo poo out of them. Fishmech is right though, this argument is stupid.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You don't work, you don't eat, is a maxim for murderous penal camps. We have evidence of Neanderthal burials of disabled people who definitely needed to be supported by others their whole life. You're thinking of extreme survival situations, which are an aberration, not the normal day to day. on the other hand, we have evidence of early agriculturalists engaging in human sacrifice. most of the preserved ancient peat bodies we have, for example what you're reaching for is community, and elders and disabled folks (and even children sometimes) were definitely killed in many societies when food was scarce. but in good times, there's enough to spare for our greater social behaviors such as empathy to take over, but these folks are a deliberate exception simply because the labor requirements of early agriculture are such that all able bodied persons need to work
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Sep 15, 2017 04:51
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I've actually ordered ladybugs off of Amazon. +1 would recommend to murder the gently caress out of aphids in your garden.
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MiddleOne posted:Neanderthals were arguably not even people, or at least that's what our ancestors must have been telling themselves as they murdered the poo poo out of them. They didn't murder the poo poo out of them. They had sex with them.
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Fun fact: archeological findings of a corpse with the advanced state of the back condition I have (ankylosing spondylitis - the advanced stage, where most bones in the back fuse, is colloquially called "bamboo spine") are considered some of the first historical evidence of compassion. I learned that when I got diagnosed and thought was neat. Weird to think about cannibalism in other places/times but makes sense.
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exploded mummy posted:so on a scale of 1-10 if you gently caress up your job, do people die Star Man posted:They didn't murder the poo poo out of them. They had sex with them.
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Isn't one of the dominant theories that we were close enough to mate but not enough to procreate which drew them to extinction?
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MiddleOne posted:Isn't one of the dominant theories that we were close enough to mate but not enough to procreate which drew them to extinction? No, we totally procreated. They've found neanderthal mitochondria in humans today, and crazy racists like to attribute the superiority of Europeans to it.
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Sep 15, 2017 11:27
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MiddleOne posted:Isn't one of the dominant theories that we were close enough to mate but not enough to procreate which drew them to extinction? Everyone with ancestry outside of Africa has Neanderthal gene markers.
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I believe some scientists think that humans who interbred with neanderthals produced children were able to get some sort of disease resistance out of the deal, which is pretty neat.
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The "you don't work, you don't eat" mentality is...kind of a mixed bag. The ideal state of humanity is some post-industrial Utopia where basic needs and luxuries are trivial to get, and any labor folks expend is for thier own joy, fulfillment, or education. At the same time though, we have So Many Goddamn People, and we'll have even more in the next century before all counties are developed enough where population starts to level off. Like, presumably a UBI or other scheme would lead towards more consumption, which means more resource exploitation. I think people get distracted by the idea that 2% of the population can produce food for the remaining 98%, and conclude that we're all set for a post scarcity society. But our current situation as a species has only really existed for under a century. Raw food production itself may not be the weak point that ultimately controls population any more. It may be fresh water, it may be stable arable land during climate change. It could be a limit for sustainable energy production. Hell, it could be a limit of the organizational capacity of the human mind and by extension human society. My gut feeling is that a post-scarcity society will end up with something like 2 billion humans rather than 10 billion. And getting from point A to point B will probably involve a whole lot of "if you don't work, you don't eat", in one varaition or another. Or we're "lucky" and end up with a crowded, lovely planet where we keep everyone alive, conditions are miserable, but we keep people "happy" and distracted enough with entertainment and ersatz avocado toast so that they don't off themselves. So I guess I'm worried the whole planet will turn into New York City.
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Sep 15, 2017 15:50
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Sounds like a great ideal, Ra's Al Ghul. Who needs to die first?
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Sep 15, 2017 16:10
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LogisticEarth posted:So I guess I'm worried the whole planet will turn into New York City. What's the downside?
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Sep 15, 2017 16:45
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duz posted:What's the downside? What would we do with all the TV shows about how, like, New York City isn't the setting of the show... the city is actually a character?
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LogisticEarth posted:Like, presumably a UBI or other scheme would lead towards more consumption I'm going to ask what may seem like a completely unrelated question, how much have you traveled?
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Sep 15, 2017 17:26
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Inescapable Duck posted:Sounds like a great ideal, Ra's Al Ghul. Who needs to die first? Start with the people who've got highest per capita carbon emissions and work your way on down
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Sep 15, 2017 18:18
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Inescapable Duck posted:Sounds like a great ideal, Ra's Al Ghul. Who needs to die first? Everyone between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn.
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Sep 15, 2017 18:29
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RuanGacho posted:I'm going to ask what may seem like a completely unrelated question, how much have you traveled? It does seem like an unrelated question, but for the average American I'm probably moderately well traveled. I have not had the time or affluence to do any extensive international travel. That said, I do pay attention to world events and do my best to stay informed and interact with folks remotely. The rationale behind a UBI or similar increasing resource consumption is, well, sort of a feature that's promoted. Folks with lower income tend to spend more of their wealth on consumption, hence why some economists want to put more cash in the hands of those who will spend it rather than "horde" or invest it. And the increase in hypothetical purchases would be real, mass produced goods and services, not expensive baubles and the like. Not to mention that there are a good 5-6 billion people who still might want to hit western living standards one day. For what it's worth, I've been working in the environmental field my adult life, currently in watershed protection and agricultural assistance. Yesterday, I attended a local conservation partnership meeting with folks from regional agencies and non-profits, the day after our state house of representatives voted to gut pretty much every major conservation assistance fund we depend on to plug a budget gap. The mood was not entirely positive.
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LogisticEarth posted:The rationale behind a UBI or similar increasing resource consumption is, well, sort of a feature that's promoted. Folks with lower income tend to spend more of their wealth on consumption, hence why some economists want to put more cash in the hands of those who will spend it rather than "horde" or invest it. And the increase in hypothetical purchases would be real, mass produced goods and services, not expensive baubles and the like. Not to mention that there are a good 5-6 billion people who still might want to hit western living standards one day. But the increase would primarily be in things like food which we already produce tons of anyway, or it will be wholly digital/virtual/experience things that don't really require making new real objects.
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Sep 15, 2017 20:44
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I know retail stores keep closing but all that money isn't just disapearing into thin air, what's happening to the small businesses that are selling poo poo on amazon? Wouldn't these naturally small businesses make more money by getting rid of the costs of distribution and grow larger and just spend their money in different areas of the economy?
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Sep 15, 2017 22:55
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Magius1337est posted:I know retail stores keep closing but all that money isn't just disapearing into thin air, what's happening to the small businesses that are selling poo poo on amazon? Wouldn't these naturally small businesses make more money by getting rid of the costs of distribution and grow larger and just spend their money in different areas of the economy? Smaller businesses that sell on Amazon enroll themselves into FBA - Fulfillment by Amazon. They pay us a fee to store their goods in our warehouses and use our distribution network to actually send their items to customers. It works out great for them because they don't need to invest in their own warehouse space or use retail-cost shipping options like UPS and instead get to do things like take advantage of our negotiating power with shipping companies.
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HonorableTB posted:Smaller businesses that sell on Amazon enroll themselves into FBA - Fulfillment by Amazon. They pay us a fee to store their goods in our warehouses and use our distribution network to actually send their items to customers. It works out great for them because they don't need to invest in their own warehouse space or use retail-cost shipping options like UPS and instead get to do things like take advantage of our negotiating power with shipping companies. So no more being able to have to pay to get the best spot on the shelf rack?
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Sep 15, 2017 23:32
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HonorableTB posted:Smaller businesses that sell on Amazon enroll themselves into FBA - Fulfillment by Amazon. They pay us a fee to store their goods in our warehouses and use our distribution network to actually send their items to customers. It works out great for them because they don't need to invest in their own warehouse space or use retail-cost shipping options like UPS and instead get to do things like take advantage of our negotiating power with shipping companies. I don't sell poo poo myself but I remember reading an article about how you have to be cautious about deciding to be an FBA seller because stuff like that can eat away at your profit margin quite easily.
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LogisticEarth posted:It does seem like an unrelated question, but for the average American I'm probably moderately well traveled. I have not had the time or affluence to do any extensive international travel. That said, I do pay attention to world events and do my best to stay informed and interact with folks remotely. I asked because I felt like your perspective was kind of alarmist, and I feel like we're probably at peak humanity right now. I'm acutely aware of what it costs to build functional infrastructure for civilization as that's my long term work focus and there's just so much space still, even in countries that have orders of magnitude higher population density than the US. It's good you're working on conservation because we do need to protect what we have, but I would posit to you that humanity isn't done compacting yet, barring free energy there are way way too many efficiencies to be gained from building close together and leaving the wilderness as it is. I don't think we will head to bladerunner levels of density either, those kind of dystopian arrangements have logistical problems people just haven't been inclined to engage with. Retail will probably come back in a significant albiet very different way to how people are used to 20 years out. It won't be configured like a bazaar everywhere, though in some places that will make sense.
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LogisticEarth posted:My gut feeling is that a post-scarcity society will end up with something like 2 billion humans rather than 10 billion. And getting from point A to point B will probably involve a whole lot of "if you don't work, you don't eat", in one varaition or another. Or we're "lucky" and end up with a crowded, lovely planet where we keep everyone alive, conditions are miserable, but we keep people "happy" and distracted enough with entertainment and ersatz avocado toast so that they don't off themselves. So I guess I'm worried the whole planet will turn into New York City. This bullshit only makes sense if you think people will just continually pop out children once material needs are met. Since we've invented birth control methods, it's become pretty obvious humans as a whole like the failing to make a baby portion of the equation a whole lot more than the succeeding to. Birth rates in the developed world are basically below replacement levels, (neglecting immigration and recent immigrants) so it seems like the solution to having a hyper-populated lovely world is voluntary but easily available and effective birth control.
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Tell us about commingled FBA inventory and how it's used to sell fake product
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I don't know if this has been covered, but I've read forecasts that the dual impact of Harvey and Irma is going to cause depression in the retail sector in the coming months. It effected a large enough area of Texas and Florida to show up in national figures. My guess is that retailers facing an already difficult holiday season will have this be a tipping point, but that we won't really see the true impact until after the holiday season. I think that a lot of struggling retailers are hoping for one last break, and I don't think it is going to happen. I think the real domino effect of anchor closures leading to mall closures is going to happen in January-March of 2018. It could happen sooner, especially if another hurricane impacts oil and gas production.
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there wolf posted:There was a massive scandal in my high school where kids working at the Walmart would ring up a pack of batteries and let their friends walk out with a t.v. Went on for months, and I'm still not sure if management was just really dumb or they were a lot laxer about employee theft prevention back then. one of my coworkers stole a $400 gift card from a customer and not only spent it at the same store she worked at but diligently filled out an employee discount receipt every time so she could get her 15% off. so the customer came back and showed us the receipt from the gift card, which had the gift card's registration number printed on it, and all the purchases by that gift card were called up, and they all had a corresponding hard copy statement conveniently on-site, dated and signed by the employee, that yes she had stolen this card and was spending it mostly on chic ladieswear e: i say "mostly" because she spent at least fifty dollars that week on chocolate coated liquorice (i know because i sold it to her) the old ceremony fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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the old ceremony posted:this is hilarious That's an impressive level of stupidity.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Edge & Christian posted:Some retailers richly deserved to die.
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Baronjutter posted:It's really weird, when I worked in a super waspy upper class suburb most all the entitled problem customers were white people, but when working in an area full of rich chinese people most problem customers were chinese?! What was even weirder was the office in an area with a large well monied Indian population ended up having a majority of problem customers being Indian.
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Sep 16, 2017 11:22
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there wolf posted:No, we totally procreated. They've found neanderthal mitochondria in humans today, and crazy racists like to attribute the superiority of Europeans to it. There's actually a lot of health problems that's caused by neanderthal dna: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35547175
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Alhazred posted:There's actually a lot of health problems that's caused by neanderthal dna: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35547175 Are you telling me the intellectual branch of white supremacy is in fact, not so smart?
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Apparently "right-sizing" Aerosoles means closing 74 of their 78 remaining stores: http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Shoe-Retailer-Aerosoles-Files-Ch-11;-Closing-74-Stores/194190
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Inescapable Duck posted:Sounds like a great ideal, Ra's Al Ghul. Who needs to die first? Old people. Advanced economies almost universally have birth rates below replacement.
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