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Joint first: NW best as part of a series and SG best standalone.
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DontMockMySmock posted:They're my top two and I can never decide what order they should be in. You can't use Night Watch to lure in new readers.
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Sep 15, 2017 04:29
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Small gods is an atypically bad entry in the series in addition to being almost totally disconnected from the rest of the Discworld stories. Neither it nor Night Watch are good entries in the series. Night Watch has too much baggage.
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Sep 15, 2017 04:35
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Tunicate posted:Small gods is an atypically bad entry in the series in addition to being almost totally disconnected from the rest of the Discworld stories. That doesn't make it a bad thing per say. A lot of the better books are completely disconnected from each other with only Discworld as the common framework. The Death series and RinceWind can be read as complete stand-alones (except Colour/Light, which is really one book). One example is Monstrous Regiment, and while having Vimes in it, he is just a side-character to the whole show.
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Sep 15, 2017 06:42
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Eric the Mauve posted:I know Night Watch is usually the winner by acclamation but I will go to my grave believing that Small Gods was the absolute peak of Discworld As I read it a second time last month I noticed two bits where I had to turn back a few pages and think "wait, what, did the writer just forget where he was going with this?" which is weird because his other books of the time usually only had one.
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Sep 15, 2017 06:49
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Tunicate posted:Small gods is an atypically bad entry That's the first time I've seen a pratchett fan who dislikes SG, what don't you like about it?
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Sep 15, 2017 07:25
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Dirty Frank posted:That's the first time I've seen a pratchett fan who dislikes SG, what don't you like about it? He came to shitpost, not to explain himself.
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Sep 15, 2017 08:43
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Segway Rave posted:Read his short story in Legends: Short Novels by the Masters of Modern Fantasy, then stop. Hey, I've never heard of this! Awesome. e: And she was married. Nanny had nothing against witches being married. It wasn't as if there were rules. She herself had had many husbands, and had even been married to three of them. Man, I love Nanny Ogg. Syncopated fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 10:53
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Syncopated posted:Hey, I've never heard of this! Awesome. So did many others.
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Sep 15, 2017 14:19
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Dirty Frank posted:That's the first time I've seen a pratchett fan who dislikes SG, what don't you like about it? Brutha isn't particularly interesting as far as discworld pov characters go, and doesn't have anyone particularly developed to bounce off of either. It feels like a book that's all B-plot - a lot of Discworld books have really memorable lines but I really can't think of any from Small Gods off the top of my head. Tunicate fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Sep 16, 2017 09:43
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Thou Shalt Not Expose Thy God To Market Forces
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Sep 16, 2017 10:01
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Tunicate posted:Brutha isn't particularly interesting as far as discworld pov characters go, and doesn't have anyone particularly developed to bounce off of either. It feels like a book that's all B-plot - a lot of Discworld books have really memorable lines but I really can't think of any from Small Gods off the top of my head. "COOOEEEEE!"
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Sep 16, 2017 10:15
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“Just because you can explain it doesn't mean it's not still a miracle.”
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Sep 16, 2017 13:08
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"I'm talking about the people throwing the stones. They were sure all right. They were sure it wasn't them in the pit. You could see it in their faces. So glad it wan't them in the pit that they were throwing just as hard as they could."
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Sep 16, 2017 13:44
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"We are here and it is now. The way I see it is, after that, everything tends towards guesswork."
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Sep 16, 2017 14:16
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i've always been partial toquote:YOU HAVE PERHAPS HEARD THE PHRASE, he said, THAT HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE?
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Sep 16, 2017 17:12
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quote:There were no lies here. All fancies fled away. That’s what happened in all deserts. It was just you, and what you believed. Words to live by.
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Sep 16, 2017 17:37
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quote:“Slave is an Ephebian word. In Om we have no word for slave,” said Vorbis.
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Sep 16, 2017 18:02
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The moment when Om hits Vorbis in the face at the end of the book and people start really believing gives me chills just thinking about it. Might be my favorite ending of all the books? Idk.
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Sep 16, 2017 21:30
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Syncopated posted:The moment when Om hits Vorbis in the face at the end of the book and people start really believing gives me chills just thinking about it. Might be my favorite ending of all the books? Idk. He doesn't hit Vorbis?
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Sep 16, 2017 22:09
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Jerry Cotton posted:He doesn't hit Vorbis? Om gets the eagle to drop him directly on Vorbis, killing him. "There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do." What's the best way to get the UK version of the audio books in the US?
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Sep 16, 2017 22:13
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Beachcomber posted:Om gets the eagle to drop him directly on Vorbis, killing him. Oh yeah Om not Brutha. I am read good.
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Sep 16, 2017 22:18
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idonotlikepeas posted:"We are here, and it is now." Words to live by. Also, I'm also a huge fan of the epilogue. I don't have the exact quote handy but specifically the part where Brutha asks Death what's at the end of the desert, and Death says JUDGEMENT, and Brutha asks "Which end?" God drat, that's good.
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Sep 16, 2017 23:10
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DontMockMySmock posted:Words to live by. And then he finds the man who tortured him, takes pity on him and they walk through the desert together 
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Sep 17, 2017 12:17
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Always makes me sad when ppl recommend skipping TCOM and TLF. They were the only two discworld books released when I started my love for Pratchett and I still think they are rollicking., fun adventure stories. Rincewind, Twoflower and the Luggage are still my favourite characters.
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Sep 17, 2017 14:13
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StrawmanUK posted:Always makes me sad when ppl recommend skipping TCOM and TLF. They were the only two discworld books released when I started my love for Pratchett and I still think they are rollicking., fun adventure stories. Rincewind, Twoflower and the Luggage are still my favourite characters. Some people are just pretentious and insist that a Pratchett book should hold some higher meaning, which color/light lacks and are thus bad, which is a bad opinion.
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Sep 17, 2017 17:00
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Cardiac posted:Some people are just pretentious and insist that a Pratchett book should hold some higher meaning, which color/light lacks and are thus bad, which is a bad opinion. I just found them boring. 
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Sep 17, 2017 17:11
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I haven't seen anyone throughout this entire thread say that the first two books lack higher meaning, just that they lack the style and sense of living world that made Pratchett popular. They're enjoyable books, it's just really clear that they were a direct satire of the fantasy books Pratchett was into.
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Sep 17, 2017 18:40
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quote:"'So we rush them then?' said Simony. 'I'm sure of - maybe four hundred on our side. So I give the signal and a few hundred of us attack thousands of them? And he dies anyway and we die too? What difference does that make?' To this day that last line stops me flat.
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Sep 17, 2017 20:14
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Cardiac posted:Some people are just pretentious and insist that a Pratchett book should hold some higher meaning, which color/light lacks and are thus bad, which is a bad opinion. If you haven't read a bunch of 60-70 fantasy they aren't all that good, best saved for when you're already hooked.
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Sep 17, 2017 20:18
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StrawmanUK posted:Always makes me sad when ppl recommend skipping TCOM and TLF. They were the only two discworld books released when I started my love for Pratchett and I still think they are rollicking., fun adventure stories. Rincewind, Twoflower and the Luggage are still my favourite characters. They were written before Pratchett settled into his usual rollicking style. However they are still great if only because of how relentlessly Pratchett tortures Rincewind. And it all kind of turns out okay at the end! The end of the TCOM is such a great cliffhanger. 
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Sep 17, 2017 23:12
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Cardiac posted:Also, why the hell does people keep on insisting they should start reading at Night Watch? The Fifth Elephant, Night Watch and Thud! are among the best Discworld books written and I will not hear otherwise.
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Sep 18, 2017 06:51
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I've never read any of Pratchett's stuff but would like to give it a go. Which is the best book to start out on?
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Sep 18, 2017 07:36
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Rozzbot posted:I've never read any of Pratchett's stuff but would like to give it a go. Which is the best book to start out on? I'd start on either Wyrd Sisters or Guards! Guards! Both are great stories and they're early enough in publishing order to get a sense of the parody-ish aspect without it being the main thing they're doing. But really start wherever takes your fancy, don't overthink it. In general it doesn't matter if you start in the middle of one of the sub-series*. There are recurring characters and locations, but each book is mostly its own self-contained thing so it's not really a problem to pick up wherever and then go read the earlier books with those characters**. Personally, I think Night Watch might lost some of its impact if you hadn't read some of the earlier guards books first. I started with Witches Abroad, then read Men At Arms, then Soul Music was on the "just published" stand at the library so I grabbed that next. None of those are the starts of sub-series, and while I wouldn't recommend them (except maybe Men At Arms) as first discworld books, it's not like they'd put you off the series. * The exception is the Tiffany Aching stories, which have much more of a continuing-series feel to them. ** You might spoil a surprise or two if you do this. I've read these books enough times that I'm not even sure. If so, it'd probably be minor. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 08:01
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Rozzbot posted:I've never read any of Pratchett's stuff but would like to give it a go. Which is the best book to start out on? Don't start with any of the Tiffany Aching books* or The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents unless you're like 10, and don't start with Monstrous Regiment because it's a bit on the boring side. Other than that *) The Wee Free Men - 2003 A Hat Full of Sky - 2004 Wintersmith - 2006 I Shall Wear Midnight - 2010 The Shepherd's Crown - 2015
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Sep 18, 2017 08:08
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If you really like the Hitchhiker's guide books, then start with The Colour of Magic / Light Fantastic, which are similarly a series of wacky incidents. Otherwise, Guards Guards is a good choice.
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Sep 18, 2017 08:26
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Yeah, i agree with all above it makes sense to start at a subseries beginning. Death series is good and doesn't really spoil much for the other series It really depends what you like. Fan of police procedure? Watch serial is best. Prefer female centric, witches and mythical creatures?witches series Like wizards being idiots? Rincewinds series for you
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Sep 18, 2017 09:03
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Eh. Russell Brand and the 5th Doctor. https://twitter.com/terryandrob/status/909702383235735552
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Sep 18, 2017 10:15
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That couldn't more clearly be Bill Nighy.
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no wonder Crowley's upset about the world ending after he spent 5988 years waiting for his style to come along.
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