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Caros posted:Lol, nope. Trump will sue, then, in a 5:4 decision... Gotta tack on "require them to release their long form birth certificates", then he'd be really torn
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Ravenfood posted:I mean, what happens if you just lie about poo poo like this? Most people won't, because if you do get caught you get a very very uncomfortable meeting where the judge calls just you in with the attorneys and point blank asks you why you lied. It's a real lovely experience that most people won't risk having to go through, and this is coupled with how sobering being on a jury or at risk of being on a jury is for 90% of people. Lots of people say they'd do a lot of dumb poo poo if they got on a jury, but once you're in the hot seat and everyone is using this really dense language you're not used to it's hard to keep that kind of bravado up. Half of what's going on in jury voir dire is essentially a theater act to get people on the panel to take it the gently caress seriously. A lot of it is intentional to shock people out of doing whatever dumb poo poo they were going to do, and in most cases is probably actually a good thing. It takes a lot for a thing like jury nullification to become the norm. The last time it happened was over Jim Crow, and even then only in specific areas of the country, and cops shooting black people isn't in the public consciousness as much as Jim Crow was back then.
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Obama 2012 posted:That seems constitutionally dubious--is it really fair game for states to cock-block legitimate candidates like that? I can see a lot of potential for abuse there. Because nothing says "legitimate candidate" like refusing to comply with a basic requirement which has been the electoral norm for a century. Goddamn this is a good troll post because I'm rustled now.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:Yeah I'm not really seeing how this is constitutionally dubious. Candidates already have to make all kinds of financial disclosures as part of running, why is adding another one somehow unconstitutional? If the Republican wasn't an orange pissbaby who whined about releasing his tax returns, say California passed this law two years before Bush v. Kerry, everyone would just shrug and say "ok, fine". Its only an issue because Trump has made it super-clear that his tax returns probably contain something horrible and he'll never voluntarily release them.
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Your Taint posted:But how much support do they have? Might be more than you think, because the GOP really does believe might(money) makes right, so if someone had tax returns that show he's a very rich guy they'd go "See, he knows what he's talking about!!!" It'd also sink trump, and there's a significant portion of the GOP that would rather Trump go away instead of continuing to drag them all down into lovely fights they can't win constantly.
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Your Taint posted:But how much support do they have? Other states will have plenty of time to pass similar laws after the coming 2018 wipeout.
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Obama 2012 posted:That seems constitutionally dubious--is it really fair game for states to cock-block legitimate candidates like that? I can see a lot of potential for abuse there. They have tons of other requirements like # of signatures to get on the ballot, this hardly seems unreasonable. If he didn't back down I imagine it would just reinforce his "popular vote was rigged" claims, though.
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But the IRS is auditing him. Also jury duty ssuuuuuccccckkkkkksssssss. Not to mention that the pay/compensation in most states sssssssuuuuuuccccckkkkkkkksssssss. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 19:54
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PhazonLink posted:But the IRS is auditing him. What is it, year 27 of the audit?
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I know I make a habit of live-tweeting my insane office and I need to dredge up the will to go to HR, but in part I tell myself I haven't yet because the things I hear are usually in the next cube-block over, or I find some way to not hear the whole of an exchange. But can I ask for an opinion if this is a solid case to report: Coworker comes into cubical-block, gets attention of supervisor behind me and says "They're burning Cardinals shirts now! They're gonna burn the whole city black." They laugh, he leaves. I know, I know everyone here hates the Cardinals, but that second sentence really made me retch and that's what I'm asking about.
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Your Taint posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.ad88d03bbe2c President Trump is not subject to conflict of interest or ethical guidelines. Don't you know anything? Seriously though, it really bothers me that he has been in office for a year and the fact that he is still violating not only federal law, but black letter constitutional law with no consequences is just stunning.
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Your Taint posted:How is requiring someone to release their tax returns if they want to be on the ballot for President in that state "cock blocking?" It's still technically personal information--candidates have traditionally made them public, but they always had a choice. If the rule is 'you have to divulge whatever personal information we demand or you can't be on the ballot', then I don't see why you're not giving candidates an impossible choice. What about medical records? Or imagine some state in 2016 saying 'you can't be on our ballot unless you make public your 30,000 e-mails, *wink wink*'. I'm not sure one way or another. It's kind of funny because, you know, gently caress Trump, but I'm not sure where our feet touch bottom on this one.
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How has no one from the IRS leaked Trump's tax returns? Is the head of the IRS the only person with access to them?
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Sep 15, 2017 19:58
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Coworker comes into cubical-block, gets attention of supervisor behind me and says "They're burning Cardinals shirts now! They're gonna burn the whole city black." They laugh, he leaves. I say that because it took me 3 reads to figure out what was objectionable about it.
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Caros posted:President Trump is not subject to conflict of interest or ethical guidelines. Don't you know anything? The problem is that when they wrote down "please don't do this", they forgot to write in the part "and here's the punishment if you do this". Congress could impeach for it, but outside of that, its a law with no punishment or enforcement mechanism.
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Sep 15, 2017 19:59
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PhazonLink posted:But the IRS is auditing him. Jury duty sucks but it is also one of your few chances to impact the judicial system. If you can do it, isn't just a civic duty but a moral one.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I know I make a habit of live-tweeting my insane office and I need to dredge up the will to go to HR, but in part I tell myself I haven't yet because the things I hear are usually in the next cube-block over, or I find some way to not hear the whole of an exchange. But can I ask for an opinion if this is a solid case to report:
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pumpinglemma posted:Devoid of all knowledge of American football, I read that as "there are so many Cardinals shirts they'll have to burn the whole city", with black meaning "charred", and I sincerely don't see the (presumably) racist reading. Thats exactly how I read it. St. Louis is so saturated with Cardinal fans wearing cardinal shirts that the city will be a charred, smoldering ruin if you try to burn them all. edit: context for non-US sports/non-baseball fans, cities vary widely in how strongly they support their team, with some cities having lots of fans only because they have an enormous number of people (ie most New Yorkers don't give a drat about the Yankees or Mets) while other cities have an amazingly high fan/citizen ratio. St. Louis is one of the premier examples of the latter, that city arguably supports its team stronger than any other city. In that context, the joke is even more obvious. Rigel fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 20:03
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I know I make a habit of live-tweeting my insane office and I need to dredge up the will to go to HR, but in part I tell myself I haven't yet because the things I hear are usually in the next cube-block over, or I find some way to not hear the whole of an exchange. But can I ask for an opinion if this is a solid case to report: For things like this, your time with HR will be smoother for you if you have a volume of similar complaints that you have recorded over time that you can use in order to establish context and a pattern. That sentence looks a lot more glaring next to a couple similar than in isolation, and (more importantly, as HR isn't there to do anything but protect the company from liability) this is usually how policies are written. Posting about them here is the right impulse but you want them in a format you can share. What I'd do is pick a friend and send contemporaneous time-stamped emails with notes about how the comments stressed you out (the e-mail will give timestamps showing it's ongoing) and then when you have a decent stack, take that.
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Javes posted:How has no one from the IRS leaked Trump's tax returns? Is the head of the IRS the only person with access to them? No, but any sensitive person has flags automatically attached to their files that trigger from just searching for them. At the State Department, we had someone get escorted out of the building and fired in less than 1 minute and 30 seconds after they tried to look up Dick Cheney's passport photo.
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Javes posted:How has no one from the IRS leaked Trump's tax returns? Is the head of the IRS the only person with access to them? I wonder about this all the time. Like SOMEONE besides Trump must have seen them right? If there was something obviously shady or illegal on there I would think someone at the IRS would leak them.
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Sep 15, 2017 20:05
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Rigel posted:Thats exactly how I read it. St. Louis is so saturated with Cardinal fans wearing cardinal shirts that the city will be a charred, smoldering ruin if you try to burn them all. You act like that's a bad thing. I shouldn't be allowed on jury duty and not because I'm lazy. I married a prosecutor. 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:No, but any sensitive person has flags automatically attached to their files that trigger from just searching for them. People have been fired from the IRS before for looking through celebrity ones I believe.
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JamesKPolk posted:For things like this, your time with HR will be smoother for you if you have a volume of similar complaints that you have recorded over time that you can use in order to establish context and a pattern. That sentence looks a lot more glaring next to a couple similar than in isolation, and (more importantly, as HR isn't there to do anything but protect the company from liability) this is usually how policies are written. Appreciate the feedback, thank you
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:No, but any sensitive person has flags automatically attached to their files that trigger from just searching for them. So do it from your co-worker's workstation geez. Govt types have no imagination.
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Nocturtle posted:So do it from your co-worker's workstation geez. Govt types have no imagination. Everyone has unique logins to access the 1996 DOS database software that are separate from machine logins.
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Sep 15, 2017 20:15
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:No, but any sensitive person has flags automatically attached to their files that trigger from just searching for them. Because they looked it up or because of what it did to them?
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Sep 15, 2017 20:16
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https://twitter.com/KeirSimmons/status/908685741139677186 No, silly Brits what he meant was to preemptively deny Muslims their civil rights, not to demean London law enforcement!
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/KeirSimmons/status/908685741139677186 So they finally release the name
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Sep 15, 2017 20:19
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Theresa May herself has called out Trump over his dumbass tweets.
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Sep 15, 2017 20:19
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Theresa May herself has called out Trump over his dumbass tweets. haha, really? awsome. he is just pissing away are reputation even faster.
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I have a theory that Trump's idiocy over the UK bombing combined with the repeated idiocy over ESPN will lead him to abandoning the Democrats since he'll see it as them failing to continue to provide him with good PR and that is really all he cares about
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908768057140629506 guess now he also likes the guys that did get captured
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The Glumslinger posted:I have a theory that Trump's idiocy over the UK bombing combined with the repeated idiocy over ESPN will lead him to abandoning the Democrats since he'll see it as them failing to continue to provide him with good PR and that is really all he cares about or he gets pissed and goes whole hog the other way
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Rigel posted:that city arguably supports its team stronger than any other city. In that context, the joke is even more obvious. https://twitter.com/reciprok8or1/status/900442472731598848 https://twitter.com/FloridaGrace/status/901256750409580546 https://twitter.com/BestFansStLouis/status/901217441296076800
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Also they are SUUUUUPER racist and not shy about it. True, but in the specific example we are looking at, you REALLY have to be looking for a reason to read racist intent, the racist angle of that comment really doesn't even make a lot of sense. Even if you are utterly clueless about sports, if you live in St. Louis for any amount of time, you only have to open your eyes and go "good God, these weirdos are WAY too into their stupid baseball team".
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https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/908781228886720519quote:People close to the three Trump advisers say that the nuclear deal was not discussed. But a federal official with access to a document created by a law enforcement agency about the meeting said that the nuclear proposal, known as the Marshall Plan, was one of the topics the group talked about. 
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Also they are SUUUUUPER racist and not shy about it. Witness https://twitter.com/bestfansstlouis Imagine having so much hate in your heart that you dump your beloved sports team because they acknowledged that gays exist.
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