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Ithle01 posted:I've seen the Congo War compared to the 30YW at least a couple times before. I think the first time I saw it was in the book Dancing in the Glory of Monsters. And everything I've read about it seems to indicate that yup that's a real nightmare. Would you care to elaborate? I'm reading the wiki for the 2nd congo war atm but at this point, thanks to this thread, I know more about how the 30YW was prosecuted than why it was fought. I know some dudes got defenestrated into horseshit and were apparently "lucky" Milo and POTUS fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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It's luckier to be defenestrated into horse poo poo than cobblestones.considering the window was 20 metres up.
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steinrokkan posted:Imagine the Nazis got their way with Russia. Oh, yeah, I'm aware of it now, but it would've been good to know when I was 15.
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GotLag posted:It's luckier to be defenestrated into horse poo poo than cobblestones.considering the window was 20 metres up. Considering the era the cobblestones were probably covered in poo poo too.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Would you care to elaborate? I'm reading the wiki for the 2nd congo war atm but at this point, thanks to this thread, I know more about how the 30YW was prosecuted than why it was fought. I know some dudes got defenestrated into horseshit and were apparently "lucky" It's compared that way because it killed and displaced a incredibly large number of people, but a lot of that is through famine, disease, and an atmosphere of violence. There's a lot going on here and a multitude of combatants that aren't really sharing objectives so much as sharing an opportunity. Kind of like how the Protestant side in the 30YW was more or less only unified by their desire to smash around the HRE. When people compare the two conflicts I think they're talking about the pervasive atmosphere of violence though. Sort of like when a bunch of soldiers just show up in a town that's unrelated to whatever conflict they're involved in and something sets them off so they burn it down and kill everyone. edit: the 'whys' for why the 30yW was fought comes down to who you're talking about. I think Europe's Tragedy spends it's first 300 pages laying this out so I'm not even going to bother to try here because there's no way I know enough to do so. Let's just say everyone had their own reason. The 30YW isn't so much one war as a series of wars fought in the same general area over roughly similar reasons. HEYGAL had a really good graph that showed this, but I have no idea where in the thread it went. Ithle01 fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Ithle01 posted:When people compare the two conflicts I think they're talking about the pervasive atmosphere of violence though. quote:HEYGAL had a really good graph that showed this, but I have no idea where in the thread it went. 
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steinrokkan posted:Imagine the Nazis got their way with Russia. A million wind-swept square kms of strewn bones and half-completed Himmler-pattern brick outhouses, in the best tradition of German utopias
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HEY GAIL posted:They're also similar in...structure. You have a large area with relatively weak central control surrounded by polities which are more centralized, all of which have some sort of interest in the region. What's with Bavaria taking a gap year?
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GotLag posted:What's with Bavaria taking a gap year? good times
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GotLag posted:What's with Bavaria taking a gap year? That was the year the Bavarians decided to do a war abroad instead.
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HEY GAIL posted:They're also similar in...structure, you could call it. You have a large area with relatively weak central control surrounded by polities which are more centralized, all of which have some sort of interest in the region. The combination is pretty dangerous. Yup that's the one. Thanks.
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Communist Zombie posted:Wasnt the reason that Russia didnt join Napoleon, who apparently offered them being a major partner in the Continental System, was that his Foreign Minister went behind his back to convince the Tsar that it was a bad idea? So not only would the Russian campaign not happen the Russian Empire would be working to actively support him. The problem is, Napoleon didn't really offer the Tsar much- it was an alliance built on sand. There was a lot of money in dealing with the English, and Napoleon's adventures in Making Poland Great Again probably prevented any lasting compromise with him. The fact that the Continental System wasn't crippling England probably also contributed to the tsar losing interest in it.
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Ithle01 posted:Yup that's the one. Thanks.
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Panzeh posted:The problem is, Napoleon didn't really offer the Tsar much- it was an alliance built on sand. E: and then Nappy went back to that slut Josephine. No, really, she got around. Murgos fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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To be fair to Napoleon, Alexander really sounded like a boring dude. Like, a drawer full of wires of the same length boring.
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SeanBeansShako posted:To be fair to Napoleon, Alexander really sounded like a boring dude. Like, a drawer full of wires of the same length boring.
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Not true! Alexander's goony antics are one of the reasons reading about the Vienna Concert that came after Napoleon was defeated is so entertaining.
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GotLag posted:It's luckier to be defenestrated into horse poo poo than cobblestones.considering the window was 20 metres up. Horse poo poo? That's a filthy protestant lie! 
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Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! Monster Tanks!
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Well, you see, when a daddy tank and a mommy APC love each other very much...
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Where's this from?
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SlothfulCobra posted:I actually wrote an essay back then about how Cassius was right to try to defend the Republic in Shakespeare's play. I....I yes "Why, Caesar straddles the narrow world like a giant, and we petty men walk under his huge legs and look forward only to dying dishonorably, as slaves. Men can be masters of their fate. It is not destiny’s fault, but our own faults, that we’re slaves. “Brutus” and “Caesar.” What’s so special about “Caesar”? Why should that name be proclaimed more than yours? Write them together—yours is just as good a name. Pronounce them—it is just as nice to say. Weigh them—it’s just as heavy." Did the same thing, Cassius is the best.
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my mom wrote an essay comparing brutus to rommel but she may have been a huge goon i <3 goonmom
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The only Romans worth defending are the Gracchi
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Plutonis posted:The only Romans worth defending are the Gracchi Populist agitator scum.
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HEY GAIL posted:my mom wrote an essay comparing brutus to rommel but she may have been a huge goon My god, it runs in the family
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like pitting a T...somethingorother vs a BMP2 is very unsporting. T-72. Or possibly 90 but it's the same family. I feel like my redtext should possibly be about the fact I knew that on sight.
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what cool poo poo should i see in London apart from the imperial war musuem that isnt normal poo poo like big ben and the palace?
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spectralent posted:T-72. Or possibly 90 but it's the same family. I was gonna say T72 but the weird angular turret armour threw me as yeah that's more T90 I think. We can be goons together. Waroduce posted:what cool poo poo should i see in London apart from the imperial war musuem that isnt normal poo poo like big ben and the palace? Well big ben's been turned off for a few years so you are gonna have to stand outside and yell BONG if you want the full experience.
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OwlFancier posted:I was gonna say T72 but the weird angular turret armour threw me as yeah that's more T90 I think. Also on the B3: 
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Murgos posted:E: and then Nappy went back to that slut Josephine. No, really, she got around. thsi is extremely cool and chill
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Waroduce posted:what cool poo poo should i see in London apart from the imperial war musuem that isnt normal poo poo like big ben and the palace? HMS Belfast is pretty thread appropriate.
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Alchenar posted:Where's this from? Spotted it on reddit, did some searching http://militaryzoneupdate.blogspot.ca/2012/03/oops-sorry-didn-see-you-russian-t-72.html?m=1 
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Waroduce posted:what cool poo poo should i see in London apart from the imperial war musuem that isnt normal poo poo like big ben and the palace? While not directly Milhist, I'll always recommend the British museum (especially if you read the classical history thread), the science museum, and the natural history museum. London has alot of good, free museums.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like pitting a T...somethingorother vs a BMP2 is very unsporting. Pfft, amateur!  T-72B of unknown revision as the identifying FCS systems and other turret features are hidden in the photo.HEY GAIL posted:
HEY GAIL posted:my mom wrote an essay comparing brutus to rommel but she may have been a huge goon I have a feeling a descendant of yours will write about the Congo and be known as HEY FAL 
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you also compare the Great Congo War to the 30yw, because they're really similar in form! and we each came up with it independently! thank you!
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Waroduce posted:what cool poo poo should i see in London apart from the imperial war musuem that isnt normal poo poo like big ben and the palace? The Victoria and Albert museum is full of beautiful trinkets and Imperialist loot. Cool milhist loot mixed in there too, like a ton of fancy royal muskets, damasced helmets and armour, it's just a great mish-mash of interesting stuff.
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Xerxes17 posted:I have a feeling a descendant of yours will write about the Congo and be known as HEY FAL
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HEY GAIL posted:there was an ancestor who was into occultism, HEY GRAIL your father HEY MALE
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