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sebmojo posted:you need to get to hospital! "That will explode. And turn into a door" makes me smile like an idiot every time. 
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I have access to the German dub on Netflix. Certainly does the series a great disservice. They managed to make a lot of things sound so goddamn formal and hectic, the Creole is nearly non-existent, Amos got the stereotypical tough guy voice, Fred Johnson sounds like Micky Mouse, and the total amount of swearing has been reduced/lessened.
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Madurai posted:Though S:AaB is also a masterclass in "didn't think it through ahead of time, make it up as we go along." You kind of got the feeling that there was some frantic hand-waving going on in the writers' room. SAaB gave us Chiggie Von Richthofen and Colonel McQueen and that's a good thing. MA-Horus fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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MA-Horus posted:SAaB gave us Chiggie Von Richthofen and Colonel McQueen and that's a good thing. The space fighter was also pretty cool looking. E: the "fighter pilots are also infantry/special forces for some reason" was pretty  , even when it first aired.
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I remember space above and beyond as being a bad show. I also remember space pimp Coolio for some reason
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My only memory of SAaB was that the final episode included an "AMF" at the end of the credits, and that was almost (but not quite) cool enough to make me find it and watch it some day
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ZekeNY posted:My only memory of SAaB was that the final episode included an "AMF" at the end of the credits, and that was almost (but not quite) cool enough to make me find it and watch it some day A what?
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Adios, motherfucker
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Error 404 posted:E: the "fighter pilots are also infantry/special forces for some reason" was pretty In Star Trek, Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica (original and reboot!), starship bridge crews all moonlight as Seal Team Six for some inexplicable reason.
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tooterfish posted:That's pretty common in TV sci fi. B5 isn't quite as bad about that as some of the others. They at least actually had infantry.
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tooterfish posted:That's pretty common in TV sci fi. In Star Trek it is kind of the conceit of the show: the main characters have the adventures. Everyone else could literally have their job done by the computer, but it feels dumb to have a gigantic ship with 10 people on it. In B5 they had actual security/infantry people like Garibaldi to fill those roles. Occasionally the bridge crew would get in a fighter, but since they all came up through the fighter pilot ranks, it didn't feel overly inorganic. This felt most incongruent in BSG, which made such an effort to show that there were still marines, but all of their best fighter pilots always went with them. I guess their explanation was that all of the officers died or something? It always felt dumb and they should have just promoted some rando to Special Guest Star and had them be the marine commander or whatever.
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Enterprise introduced marines halfway through its run, when their exploration mission was suspended for an explicitly military assignment. From what I recall, the marines eventually sort of faded into the background, mostly taking spots on away missions that would usually be filled by unnamed Starfleet security crew. I remember thinking it was an improvement even if the execution was uneven, but it's been a while since I watched the show.
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Stargate also had the main characters being fighter pilots and special forces, but I think Airforce Special Forces are that?
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Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare has you as a fighter pilot who becomes an infantry man and battleship commander due to Jon Snow going Super Saiyan on Earth. It's actually a lot of fun if you like seeing a bunch of people die horribly in space in different ways.
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twistedmentat posted:Stargate also had the main characters being fighter pilots and special forces, but I think Airforce Special Forces are that? I believe they were part of AFSOC Special Tactics group, which does do some ground based stuff covertly in enemy territory, but I think they kind of stretched the mission that group does in the show and treated them more or less like a Seal or Green Beret Team. But yeah pilots who know shooty guns and special tactics. It is a thing.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:This felt most incongruent in BSG, which made such an effort to show that there were still marines, but all of their best fighter pilots always went with them. I guess their explanation was that all of the officers died or something? It always felt dumb and they should have just promoted some rando to Special Guest Star and had them be the marine commander or whatever. I've just been rewatching the 2003 BSG. They mention that they still have a few marines but that they don't have a sniper, which is their excuse to throw Starbuck into a small arms combat role. It's crap if you think about it but it's just enough of a nod toward logic to let it slide, if you're already feeling positive about the show. As it develops more I feel more inclined to give them a pass, since they're half-assing their entire civilization and all.
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I think BSG had the best excuse for it since there's only like a couple thousand military people left in existence, and at least half the Galactica's crew would be technical people who probably don't have much combat training. Going to have to pick up the slack somehow.
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The BSG Marines always get died in droves so they probably don't have many volunteers.
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3 DONG HORSE posted:The BSG Marines always get died in droves so they probably don't have many volunteers. And it's not like the flight officers are actually any good at it, fittingly. Crashdown (the officer played the fake ice truck killer in Dexter) went kinda Col. Kurtz on everyone in early S2, and got friendly-fired for it. Starbuck tried to be a sniper and tended to make problems worse.
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Pander posted:Starbuck... tended to make problems worse. This was just consistent characterization.
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Yep. Starbuck's character was entirely to advance the plot by getting everyone deeper into the poo poo until they got so deep God had to pull them out. It all clicked for me after the second rewatch. The show is brilliant because it's three and a half seasons of the good guys denying everything that's really happening, despite them being told exactly what's happening, then them realizing "oh, poo poo, wow, that happened" in the last arc. The ending sucks but that's because it gets a bit heavy with the anvils. If they cut it off before the ending scene in present day (Should we still be spoilering BSG? That finale was almost a decade ago.)
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Kazinsal posted:Yep. Starbuck's character was entirely to advance the plot by getting everyone deeper into the poo poo until they got so deep God had to pull them out. I just tend to pretend the show ends right after that final jump. Seems to be about the best way to handle it.
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I stopped watching BSG after the mutiny arc. It really felt, emotionally, the best place to stop. I really loved that show when it was dealing with the practical issues of life in a convoy stumbling across the stars fleeing from a neverending robot horse, the religious stuff really fell flat to me.
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The best ending to BSG is just to ignore the final half season entirely, leaving you with a desolate radioactive wasteland with the cast looking around as Roslyn goes "Earth."
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Much like the rewatch of the Terminator TV series I'm doing in TV/IV, BSG is one of those series where I'm like... What could have been...
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At least BSG didn't end by landing on the Planet of the Apes... that would have been funny (not). SAaB : the only thing i remember from this was indeed Chiggie Von Richthoven... was awesome and terryfying. As for the Expanse, i'm not sure how well people will remember it 20 years from now. I think it's great but I don't think it manages to draw in people who aren't like me (a geek).
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Errrr... that's literally exactly what they did.
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Taintrunner posted:I stopped watching BSG after the mutiny arc. It really felt, emotionally, the best place to stop. I really loved that show when it was dealing with the practical issues of life in a convoy stumbling across the stars fleeing from a neverending robot horse, the religious stuff really fell flat to me. i would watch that show
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Didn't BSG end with everyone falling into a black hole? I only remember an hour of darkness after that in the finale...
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Ive watched BSG only recently, and I mostly really liked it, even the finale and the religious stuff What I didnt liked is how the cylons got less interesting and made less sense as the story advanced
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Elias_Maluco posted:Ive watched BSG only recently, and I mostly really liked it, even the finale and the religious stuff I think a few cast members, like Jamie Bamber, said similar things about the Cylons as the story went on. TBQH, my biggest flaw with BSG is how it tries to play both sides of the discrimination debate. On one hand, the Cylons are basically perfect transhumans who pose an existential threat to humanity's survival. On the other hand, when it suits the narrative, they're actually no different to you and me and the only people who dislike them are unreasonable bigots. It sort of got too much into the Iraq War metaphor. But Seasons 1 and 2 are just grand. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Anyone still looking for their BSG fix should absolutely play the free fangame Battlestar Diaspora, which lets you frak toasters and you begin every mission by shooting out the drat launch tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWt2m1xtJbw
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Let's just all be thankful they didn't end with a Galactica 1980 reboot.
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Milky Moor posted:I think a few cast members, like Jamie Bamber, said similar things about the Cylons as the story went on. Yeah, mostly they are indistinguible from humans, but with some powers (that they mostly forget to use), but then sometimes they remember they are not humans. Also, they hate humans And it also makes 0 sense that the original "toaster" cylons broke free from humanity and then made an pact with some syntetic humans from space to make human cylons to enslave them again (that's what I understood about the cylon-humans origin, I might be wrong)
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Elias_Maluco posted:
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Madurai posted:I'm not really sure where you're getting that part from. Maybe Im misremembering or got it all wrong, and if I did, please explain it to me, because I was never sure I understood it anyway But didint "the five" were originally humans from that distant forgotten colony who mastered some ressurrection tech and them came to the colonies while the original cylons (the toaster models) were in a armistice with the humans, and made a pact with them to produce the human-cylons (the other 7 models)? And them these human cylons became the masters of the cylons?
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The original robot Cylons met the alien-human-robot-guys and wanted human-like bodies. So the slavers are technically regular Cylons who have ascended or whatever you wanna call that.
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3 DONG HORSE posted:The original robot Cylons met the alien-human-robot-guys and wanted human-like bodies. So the slavers are technically regular Cylons who have ascended or whatever you wanna call that. That's kinda what I said: the "alien-human-robot-guys" were humans who became synthetic after using the "soul upload" machine, whatever it was called (not sure about this one). The toasters (original robot Cylons) then made a pact with them to create human-cylons and these became the masters of the original robot cylons, kinda like the humans were before. They even dumbed the toasters down so they would not think for themselves or something like that
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Oh I wasn't trying to disagree with you, I meant to show support in my own awful way. My bad!
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