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Lid posted:She also said she suspected polls showing majority support for same-sex marriage were wrong and ignored the "silent majority" ...you're a senator, you should at least know how polls work.
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AgentF posted:AdelGoons get your arses down to the Marriage Equality rally today! 1pm, Parliament House. Result: Adelaide did good. Crowd was over 5000 strong. We spilled over the parliament house sidewalk and blocked traffic. Huge positive atmosphere with lots of noise and bright colours. Marched afterwards through the centre of the city.   
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Hahaha apparently there's going to be an ultranationalist rally today in Melbourne, with a counter-protest being organised by Campaign against Racism and Fascism. Will be interesting due to the new Victorian laws about face coverings, would not be surprised to see VicPol going whole hog with the foam now to try and dissuade protesters/journalists, seeing as they have targeted medics in the past.
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Lid posted:lol I wonder how it feels to be on the wrong side of history.
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Anidav posted:Legit keen to watch Melbourne smash the fash lol i think you mean watch VicPol facilitate yet another ultranationist rally and keep counter-protesters at arms length with the use of capsicium foam and horses i'll be impressed if the good guys get within a block of the fascists
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Knobb Manwich posted:The silent majority is a thing though, see secret tories. Yeah nah. This was far less of a phenomenon than young people simply not bothering to vote in the brexit. This campaign means a lot more to younger people and has had better support from the media. Every single major election since then has swung significantly left of the prediction. Stop comparing things to Brexit. It's loving stupid.
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Don Dongington posted:Yeah nah. This was far less of a phenomenon than young people simply not bothering to vote in the brexit. This campaign means a lot more to younger people and has had better support from the media. I can think of at least one that didn't.
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Solemn Sloth posted:I can think of at least one that didn't. Okay since Trump, but we all know there were way more factors in play there than a mystery cohort of quiet conservatives.
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Don Dongington posted:Yeah nah. This was far less of a phenomenon than young people simply not bothering to vote in the brexit. This campaign means a lot more to younger people and has had better support from the media. He didn't mention Brexit dude, you seem to have brought Brexit up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_Factor I am sure that there will be some "Shy homophobes" in this vote. However, it's probably a few % at most - not the ~20% they need to swing the vote based on polling.
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Sorry if it's been asked before, but how do overseas people go about getting a postal vote for me, if here not coming automatically (hard to tell if they are)?
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Solemn Sloth posted:I can think of at least one that didn't. John Howard, right?
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simmyb posted:Sorry if it's been asked before, but how do overseas people go about getting a postal vote for me, if here not coming automatically (hard to tell if they are)? Chap on TV said visit the ABS website. I'd link it but this phone's browsers think 4G doesn't work
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Clearly they're protesting against the extra thick tomato slice and the whole egg mayonnaise Hungry Jacks use.
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lol they picked the bisexual flag for a background
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rumble in the bunghole posted:lol they picked the bisexual flag for a background Probably not the case for those people but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a contingent of bi and trans people voting no in protest against the bi erasure and bi/transphobia within the larger queer community
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Box of Bunnies posted:Probably not the case for those people but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a contingent of bi and trans people voting no in protest against the bi erasure and bi/transphobia within the larger queer community Actually this is a really cool and good point because there's a large contingent for "gay marriage", whereas (myself included) aim for "marriage equality", which is where anyone can marry anyone. I'm worried that "gay marriage" will effectively sideline other LGBTQ+ movements, like we see 2nd wave TERFs waiving the dumb "hmm are trans people actually people at all????" flag which is so loving dumb
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I think it's very very important to not be distracted in discussions about this. I can easily see acceptance of gay marriage leading to acceptance of other progressive causes one we have gay marriage and people can see that society hasn't collapsed. I'm all for transgender rights and make sure to always use "marriage equality" when discussing the issue, but I'm also fine for focusing on one topic that people can readily understand. Once it's passed we then start expanding it. I think it's the best path to get where we want to be.
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AgentF posted:I can easily see acceptance of gay marriage leading to acceptance of other progressive causes one we have gay marriage and people can see that society hasn't collapsed. Except we know from the example of the US that things don't work like that. Once they lose the fight on gay marriage conservatives move on to an easier target and start pushing things like bathroom bills and banning trans people from the military. And surprise, it's a lot easier to convince the general populace of trans people being weird and icky than it is just two dudes loving each other, and plenty of gay people are happy to move on from the fight once they've got theirs in terms of rights so no, it isn't really that easy to see.
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you're right. if we can't do it perfectly the first time, we shouldn't do it at all voting no. thanks thread for opening my eyes.
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Brown Paper Bag posted:Was channel surfing this morning, saw Andrew Bolt interviewing Milo Yiannopolous 😬 The other day he was chucking a tizzy because CNN wouldn't let him use their studio to interview Milo.
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Why does this stupid survey even exist
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Brown Paper Bag posted:Was channel surfing this morning, saw Andrew Bolt interviewing Milo Yiannopolous 😬 Is that the best he can do now?
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Box of Bunnies posted:Except we know from the example of the US that things don't work like that. Once they lose the fight on gay marriage conservatives move on to an easier target and start pushing things like bathroom bills and banning trans people from the military. And surprise, it's a lot easier to convince the general populace of trans people being weird and icky than it is just two dudes loving each other, and plenty of gay people are happy to move on from the fight once they've got theirs in terms of rights so no, it isn't really that easy to see. I think you'd have a hard time arguing that the legalisation of SSM has anything to do with that, or they wouldn't be arguing for those same things if SSM wasn't legal.
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Anidav posted:Why does this stupid survey even exist Because Mal and Lucy need the sweet PM bucks a little longer.
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open24hours posted:I think you'd have a hard time arguing that the legalisation of SSM has anything to do with that, or they wouldn't be arguing for those same things if SSM wasn't legal. Yeah, it's probably just a super weird coincidence that bathroom bills really only started popping up after the supreme court decided on Obergefell  I'm not saying that we shouldn't have SSM here, I voted yes, but I can understand why other people might feel the way I outlined.
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open24hours posted:I think you'd have a hard time arguing that the legalisation of SSM has anything to do with that, or they wouldn't be arguing for those same things if SSM wasn't legal. I bet you unironically think the LGBTQ+ community is one happy hugbox right??
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Milky Moor posted:you're right. if we can't do it perfectly the first time, we shouldn't do it at all noone said that. rude
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Box of Bunnies posted:Yeah, it's probably just a super weird coincidence that bathroom bills really only started popping up after the supreme court decided on Obergefell They appeared before that, but even if they hadn't it's still a massive stretch to say that the decision is in any way responsible for them.
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Brown Paper Bag posted:Was channel surfing this morning, saw Andrew Bolt interviewing Milo Yiannopolous 😬 well he does have a history of defending paedophiles.
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Box of Bunnies posted:Except we know from the example of the US that things don't work like that. Once they lose the fight on gay marriage conservatives move on to an easier target and start pushing things like bathroom bills and banning trans people from the military. And surprise, it's a lot easier to convince the general populace of trans people being weird and icky than it is just two dudes loving each other, and plenty of gay people are happy to move on from the fight once they've got theirs in terms of rights so no, it isn't really that easy to see. A very interesting thought. Has anyone done a good in-depth analysis or article of this? Have not paid attention to what has happened in the US.
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Krazyface posted:Is that the best he can do now? Bolt or Milo? 
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open24hours posted:They appeared before that, but even if they hadn't it's still a massive stretch to say that the decision is in any way responsible for them. marriage equality doesn't cause heightened transphobia, but it does send a signal to conservatives that acceptance of gay people is mainstream and they need to move their moral panic to a less accepted minority. almost exactly two decades ago, male gay sex was still a criminal offense in Tasmania, and conservatives fought tooth and claw to stop decriminalisation. seven years later Howard rewrote the marriage act to explicitly forbid gay marriage, and now 13 years on conservatives are still fighting, tooth and claw, to stop marriage equality. this isn't to say (unlike some impressive straw men that have been erected in the thread) that marriage equality is bad, but it's acknowledging the reality that conservatives will always fight a running battle against equality and just because we accomplish a given milestone on the way to human decency doesn't mean that we can pat ourselves on the back and say we're done, or that there'll be a domino effect of rapid acceptance of culturally progressive causes. the writing's already on the wall; the attacks from the no campaign have been heavily couched in the language of transphobia, and the response from the yes campaign isn't particularly encouraging. when pressed on the issue of school boys wearing dresses, the answer from the yes side has been "that didn't happen", not "if that happened, who cares?"
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BBJoey posted:marriage equality doesn't cause heightened transphobia, but it does send a signal to conservatives that acceptance of gay people is mainstream and they need to move their moral panic to a less accepted minority. almost exactly two decades ago, male gay sex was still a criminal offense in Tasmania, and conservatives fought tooth and claw to stop decriminalisation. seven years later Howard rewrote the marriage act to explicitly forbid gay marriage, and now 13 years on conservatives are still fighting, tooth and claw, to stop marriage equality.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Bolt or Milo? yes
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