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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Jazerus posted:

the mid-century middle class was literally formed by government fiat after the war
that government fiat also was pushed by a significant socialist movement in the united states. FDR's huge taxes on the wealthy, massive government jobs programs, pro-labor policies, social welfare programs, etc. was the compromise

history has clearly shown that a keynesian liberal policy does not work in the long-term. the capitalist class will use their inequities and control of the economic function of society to undo these policies, even if in the long-term it is detrimental to themselves

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

zegermans posted:

chapo is pretty drat funny and good thnx for recommendation


also who are they on SA because they specifically referred to "vilerat's moderation" on an episode

i think they've been smart enough to not reveal their usernames

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

fdr literally sent to congress a proposal of a 100% top marginal tax rate

~90% top marginal tax rate was the compromise of that proposal

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

zegermans posted:

chapo is pretty drat funny and good thnx for recommendation


also who are they on SA because they specifically referred to "vilerat's moderation" on an episode

afaik Felix is the only one who admits to being a goon, and he said he only lurked, mostly in LF. Matt and Will are not goons.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Zoran posted:

afaik Felix is the only one who admits to being a goon, and he said he only lurked, mostly in LF. Matt and Will are not goons.

one of them will turn out to be prince of dicks

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

It's me, I am the chapos

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

safely sodomized posted:

im now convinced that if perot had ran as a republican he'd have won

Reminder that he suspended his campaign because a POW/MIA conman convinced him Bush had hired operatives to disrupt his daughter's wedding with doctored photographs of her engaging in hardcore lesbian sex.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls
ross perot using racism and sexism like trump to get votes

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Taintrunner posted:

it's actually insane people do not loving remember the president before obama starting two loving wars which still have no end in sight
or that obama has a huge role in the disasters of libya, syria, and yemen and likely a huge role in the honduran coup

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

I'm the trap in chapman trap house

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011

comedyblissoption posted:

or that obama has a huge role in the disasters of libya, syria, and yemen and likely a huge role in the honduran coup

yeah but bush and obama had decorum

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
grind the seed corn bitch

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

zegermans, hamprince and cc are the chapo boyz. they harvest our sick burns as material

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

etalian posted:

Not to mention how in just one year Bernie went from a guy no one knew about to someone who is forcing bad dems to incorporate his ideas into their talking points
and even propose things like the Medicare for All bill in Senate.

Meanwhile by comparison Crooked Hillary has fallen off the cliff of political influence, status and credibility.

Also provide to be the basic bitch of politics for how she blamed Biden, Bernie and Obama for making her lose the election.

Seen as a complete laughing stock for everyone but her bitter every shrinking Hill Folk fan club.

:mmmhmm:

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Zoran posted:

She calls them "Pepperidge Farm Goldfish," so no, she's definitely an alien

she's a goon op

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Lastgirl posted:

snap out of it Jewel, get a fkn grip. Don't whore your judgment aside for a tiny fish shaped cracker.

It's just refreshing to see her take such an uncompromised and genuine position.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Reminder that he suspended his campaign because a POW/MIA conman convinced him Bush had hired operatives to disrupt his daughter's wedding with doctored photographs of her engaging in hardcore lesbian sex.

Post pics.

Cornflakes
Dec 3, 2006

hand-picked successor?

1) this is a democracy binch

2) like Obama, if he had his choice of anyone, would have picked the person who, when asked if Obama was a muslim, said "Not as far as I know"


Better skills, baby!

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Nonsense posted:

reminder shouting Bernie woulda won, Hillary Shut Up! has shifted the political landscape. so keep doing it

:agreed:

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012



etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Lastgirl posted:

And we owe all our thanks to Trump

I think Chris Hedges was right saying that Trump would be harsh medicine for the US Left since they would have to grow a pair and also it would expose
how bad dems are complete failures for constantly failing to win due to their obsession with appeasing the donor class.

Bernie was so successful that even Max Baucus who originally fought the public option now says he supports Medicare for All.

Bernie lost the primary but on the flip side transformed himself into a well known population with a higher favorability than even Obama.

Also media such as late night shows are having on on a pretty regular guest which allows him to spread his anti-bad dem ideas to a new audience.

By contrast Hillary's image and reputation has been basically raked over the hot coals and she continues to act like a completely horrible human being.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Joementum posted:

she also confirms in the book that she was pushing for regime change in syria early on, which is something that her supporters insisted wasn't true last year

Much like Trump supporters, substantially all of the views Hillary supporters associate with their candidate are completely out of line with the candidate's actual positions. I suppose Trump supporters have more of an excuse--there aren't years of records undercutting their beliefs.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Vox Nihili posted:

Much like Trump supporters, substantially all of the views Hillary supporters associate with their candidate are completely out of line with the candidate's actual positions. I suppose Trump supporters have more of an excuse--there aren't years of records undercutting their beliefs.

Yeah, basically there was no way to prove Trump was lying until he became president. Not a politician!

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Yeah, basically there was no way to prove Trump was lying until he became president.

Is this one of those funny joke things I keep hearing about?

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ah yes it's your job to do exactly what you haven't done ever. Can't imagine why you lost! If only a democrat had run on a platform of doing exactly that. They probably would have won.

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
Hillary can't end a sentence like "we need to make sure our capitalistic system doesn't just make the rich richer and the poor poorer" without the next sentence starting with "but".

Get hosed forever and ever Hillary.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/791315326042533889

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold


:qq: but why did she lose?!?!?! sexism!

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Zoran posted:

afaik Felix is the only one who admits to being a goon, and he said he only lurked, mostly in LF. Matt and Will are not goons.

also, Sam Kriss, who has been entertaining us with excerpts from Abuela's book, posted but I'm blanking on the name.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

uber_stoat posted:

also, Sam Kriss, who has been entertaining us with excerpts from Abuela's book, posted but I'm blanking on the name.

wasn't he dead ken?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


comedyblissoption posted:

you break the cycle by transforming the economic unit of society into a democratic workplace where the workers themselves are the bosses. move away from the traditional undemocratic employee-employer capitalist relationship where a tiny tyrannical minority makes all the important economic decisions

when jeremy corbyn proposes government policies to support worker co-ops, he has this in mind

yeah but then within a decade or two some fresh faced technocrat from an investment bank comes along and trashes everything while everyone writes glowing editorials about how the labour market needs shaking up

or alternately within our current timeline within a decade or two Barron Trump becomes Baron Barron of Amerikka by hoarding all the fresh water to himself and allying with the road warriors

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


She's just sad she didn't get invited to billionaire puppet island like Obama

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Streak posted:

Hillary can't end a sentence like "we need to make sure our capitalistic system doesn't just make the rich richer and the poor poorer" without the next sentence starting with "but".

Get hosed forever and ever Hillary.

Centrist: We need to make sure our capitalistic system doesn't just make the rich richer and the poor poorer, but
Socdem: We need to make sure our capitalistic system doesn't just make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Right-wing: We need to make sure our capitalistic system
Socialist: We need to make sure our capitalistic system doesn't

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

MaxxBot posted:

Oh God there's gonna be a Peter Daou podcast

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/909389227921682432



(the tiny explosions are verrits amalgating into one giant Daousplosion)

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Centrist: We need to make sure our capitalistic system doesn't just make the rich richer and the poor poorer, but
Socdem: We need to make sure our capitalistic system doesn't just make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Right-wing: We need to make sure our capitalistic system
Socialist: We need to make sure our capitalistic system doesn't

Centrist: We need to keep the capitalistic system alive to insure donor campaign contributions and future jobs in private sector upper management/consulting

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

nopantsjack posted:

yeah but then within a decade or two some fresh faced technocrat from an investment bank comes along and trashes everything while everyone writes glowing editorials about how the labour market needs shaking up

or alternately within our current timeline within a decade or two Barron Trump becomes Baron Barron of Amerikka by hoarding all the fresh water to himself and allying with the road warriors
the optimistic hope is that the fundamental democratic arrangement of worker co-ops is so appealing to people that a traditional corporate hierarchy actively repels workers

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008





Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005


"Everyone should respect Charles and David Koch and the Walton clan!"

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


Everyone remember this quote for when you are inevitably told it doesn't exist

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Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo
I never knew Hillary claimed she was named after a mountain climber. :lol:

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