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Oxxidation posted:Some people grumble about how it's a waste that the game never really questions the morality of the Phantom Thieves' actions, but I always liked how the game doesn't even try to cast aspersions on them (except through Akechi, who's always on the back foot in the debate). I don't really agree with this because the game actually does constantly pose this question, it just lacks any real substance whenever it's brought up. Ryuji is definitely not intended to be the Moral Compass of the group because the first Palace is partially about settling a personal vendetta for him (which, to be fair, all power to him in that situation) and he almost immediately gets sweat up in the fame of it all, and the thrill of being a Cool Phantom Thief. The party presents concern over how excited the public is getting not because they're worried about The Fame of It, but because they are somehow able to intuit that the conspiracy is engineering the whole thing, because everything is "moving too fast," even if they don't recognize it at the time, and Ryuji is the one who eggs them on For Fame. After Palace 5 they all spend time talking about how they Lost Sight of their Justice even Haru, who's Justice was in fact trying to un-sociopath her father, and blame their concern for the public's opinion for it. Fame is basically the closest to a real reason the story ever produces for the Phantom Thieves being maybe not 100% correct, but the story still brings the question up as if there's more to it, even in The final dungeon, when the party is unsure if trying to stop the end of the world is something worth doing. You'd think the game might use the question of Are the Thieves Right, the one it places at the heart of the story and weaves throughout several major character beats, to broach some kind of theme, maybe about the inherit escapist qualities of the story and how ''beating up bad people's brain-monsters" is not a real thing (or even remotely analogous to a real thing like accepting Shadows back in P4 was), and maybe point out that the injustices the villains rend on others are also enabled by the structure of society, and that to really solve these problems the protagonists would need to try and hold society itself accountable, and in this way enact the social reform the game also claims to be about. But instead that doesn't happen, and the question doesn't really amount to anything, like most of the story.
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CJ posted:Just a shame his painting sucks. You take that right back.
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Apologies if this has been posted before, I'm skipping like 3000 posts since the last time I played this game/followed the thread. I just finished figuring out why my save wouldn't load and it's so stupid I want to share it in case it helps anyone else. My save file was at 94 hours partway into the seventh palace when I got distracted by other games/real life stuff months ago. I wanted to finally finish things up so I popped the disc back in, only to get hit with that awful missing dlc licenses error which was kind of weird, since the only dlc I had was Ariadne (to make fusing something or other a bit easier iirc) and it was still there under my addons on ps4. None of the solutions I found online helped, like restoring licenses, signing in/out of psn, restarting the console...I even tried deleting the game from the home menu and re-adding it. Now, a few weeks earlier I had played this at a friend's house where he added his account to my console as a user for shits and giggles. I'd ignored that time because I was signing in under my account, not his, but I was running out of things to do and there was no way I was restarting a 94 hour save file where I hadn't even beaten the game yet. To make a long story short, he had other dlc downloaded under his account. When I launched persona 5 that night, as we had been playing fighting games earlier, both accounts were logged in at the same time. Persona 5 took the dlc he had from his account and immediately applied the content to my save as soon as I loaded it. The content, like items and costumes, not the licenses, which is important. When I saved the game that night it saved the items and costumes I didn't even know I had, but when I tried to play today as his account wasn't signed in (which why would it be since saves are separate for users) it didn't apply the licenses since my account doesn't technically have them. I'm sure this is what's going down here, because when I left his account logged in and switched users back to my account, persona 5 loaded my save perfectly. Luckily the dlc he had was the free stuff and the account was still on my ps4 so I could cross-reference, because if this was the other way around and I'd logged onto his ps4 he'd be locked out of his save until spending actual money to buy dlc (or sign my account in at the same time). It's funny, because I had been wondering what happened to a dlc character I'd bought for Central Fiction that night disappeared off to, but that game has the good sense to just silently delete the character if the license is missing instead of locking the entire loving save file.
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Wordnumber posted:I don't really agree with this because the game actually does constantly pose this question, it just lacks any real substance whenever it's brought up. Ryuji is definitely not intended to be the Moral Compass of the group because the first Palace is partially about settling a personal vendetta for him (which, to be fair, all power to him in that situation) and he almost immediately gets sweat up in the fame of it all, and the thrill of being a Cool Phantom Thief. The party presents concern over how excited the public is getting not because they're worried about The Fame of It, but because they are somehow able to intuit that the conspiracy is engineering the whole thing, because everything is "moving too fast," even if they don't recognize it at the time, and Ryuji is the one who eggs them on For Fame. After Palace 5 they all spend time talking about how they Lost Sight of their Justice even Haru, who's Justice was in fact trying to un-sociopath her father, and blame their concern for the public's opinion for it. Fame is basically the closest to a real reason the story ever produces for the Phantom Thieves being maybe not 100% correct, but the story still brings the question up as if there's more to it, even in The final dungeon, when the party is unsure if trying to stop the end of the world is something worth doing. The question about the justness of the Phantom thieves isn't at the heart of the story at all and the game does point out that society is enabling all those villains though? It's why the phantom thieves are created in the first place, to punish those who would otherwise evade justice. Like half, if not more so, of the targets the Phantom thieves clash against try to excuse their lovely actions with some platitudes about how society enables them or how after they were abused they deserve to abuse others. The literal endgame is just the Phantom Thieves holding a giant shinning beacon to show how humanity still clamors for justice despite Yaldabaoth arguing otherwise, and the party is proven correct by how the public \ empowered Joker to put down Yaldabaoth. (And then you have the epilogue showing how normal non-powered humans can change society by having Joker exonerated and Shido imprisoned because of the public outcry).
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I'm only just now starting to play this game and coming towards the end of the first palace, but I wanted to ask: is there pretty much always a constant time pressure you're dealing with?
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Fix posted:I'm only just now starting to play this game and coming towards the end of the first palace, but I wanted to ask: is there pretty much always a constant time pressure you're dealing with? Yes, that's a key feature of all of the modern Persona games (dunno about 1/2). The game is half time management sim.
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Fix posted:I'm only just now starting to play this game and coming towards the end of the first palace, but I wanted to ask: is there pretty much always a constant time pressure you're dealing with? It depends what you mean by time pressure. There is always a countdown but it's basically just telling you when the next cutscene is. Once you get the doctor to level 7 you can buy accessories that regen your SP so you can do the dungeons in 1 day. The only thing that is really time locked is how far you get on your confidants by the end of the game. If you've not played a Persona game before you're not going to max them all so prioritise a few that you care about (probably party members). I posted some tips on how to get the most out of your social time earlier in the thread, but keep in mind that if you have a persona in your stock that matches the arcana of the confidant you get a multiplier to any points you get from hanging out or talking with the confidant.
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Alright! Thanks!
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Who taught you how to use a gun!?
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Sep 27, 2017 21:18
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ultrachrist posted:Who taught you how to use a gun!? Television.
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I finally got around to playing Persona 5 again. I'm working my way through the fifth palace. Dumb question: Why does Futaba have armor equipment and stats when she doesn't participate in any battles? Does she always remain a navigator or does she become able to participate in battles at some point?
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Max Wilco posted:I finally got around to playing Persona 5 again. I'm working my way through the fifth palace. You can have her equip armor that boosts her EXP gain. That's literally it.
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Max Wilco posted:Dumb question: Why does Futaba have armor equipment and stats when she doesn't participate in any battles? Does she always remain a navigator or does she become able to participate in battles at some point? So that you can break through her shyness by making her wear a spiked bikini.
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Max Wilco posted:I finally got around to playing Persona 5 again. I'm working my way through the fifth palace. luck gear
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NachtSieger posted:luck gear This. Give her any equipment that boosts her luck to insane levels. Her random boosts will happen more often.
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I wish i'd known that so i could give her low luck gear to stop those unskippable scans at the beginning of fights.
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Finally been playing through this game, and I've just reached August. I've now unlocked the electric chair fusion. Are any of the items worth fusing at the moment, or should I be saving the kogatanas for endgame? The one item that stands out right now is a +5 STR katana for Yusuke - that seems like a sizable boost. Any skill cards that would be worth stocking up on, as well?
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Me and my team Mental Enema will rid the world of corruption! I've lost all social life since buying this but at least now I have a virtual social life!
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Wyvernil posted:Finally been playing through this game, and I've just reached August. I've now unlocked the electric chair fusion. Are any of the items worth fusing at the moment, or should I be saving the kogatanas for endgame? For some dumb reason you can only do one electric chairs per day, and all the end game weapons are from personas in the 70-80 range which you won't reach unless you use an xp exploit to power level up to there, i guess they are intended for new game plus. So don't be like me and save them all game only to find you can't use all but one of them. Joker's best melee weapon is a pretty huge spoiler so rather than googling it here's the table for what weapons you can get with Joker's omitted. PERSONA ITEM CHARACTER ATT/DEF ACC/EVA EFFECT Melee Yoshitsune Usumidori Yusuke 292 88 + Fear (High) Cybele Sabazios Makoto 280 90 + Crit Rate (High) Asura Vajra Makoto 272 90 + Random Ailment (High) Beelzebub Fleurs Du Mal Haru 308 86 Ma+5/ +Dizzy (High) Mother Harlot Claíomh Solais Morgana 280 90 +50 SP Hanuman Ruyi Jingu Bang Ryuji 256 88 + Auto-Tarukaja Black Frost Naraka Whip Ann 252 90 + Freeze (High) Arsene Arsene’s Cane Joker 130 92 + Random Ailment (Low) Queen Mab Masquerade Ribbon Ann 172 88 + Dizzy (Low) Thor Mjolnir Ryuji 254 88 + Elec Damage Ame no Uzume Senryou Yakusha Yusuke 160 90 + 5 STR Pisaca Headhunter Ladle Morgana 128 90 Crit Rate Up (Low) Mithra Death Contract Haru 140 86 + Despair (Low) Bugs Bear Gloves Makoto 200 90 + Crit Rate Up (Med) Skadi Snow Queen’s Whip Ann 210 90 + Auto-Sukukaja Ranged Odin Wild Hunt Ann 386 84 + Despair (Med) 6 Shiva Megido Fire Ryuji 380 98 + Critical Rate Up (Low) 3 Kohryu Sudarshana Morgana 308 98 + Random Ailment (Low) 5 Michael Judge of the Dead Makoto 380 92 All stats +10 6 Lucifer Tyrant Gun Joker 390 98 Ma +10 8 Metatron Nataraja Joker 360 94 All stats +5 8 Uriel Heaven’s Gate Yusuke 378 88 Ag +10 12 Baal Yagurush Haru 330 80 + Shock (Med) 1 Succubus Brainshot Ann 140 84 + Brainwash (Med) 12 Nekomata Pawzooka Haru 140 89 + Confuse (Med) 1 Jack-o’-Lantern Pumpkin Bomb Ryuji 160 82 + Burn (Med) 4 Neko Shogun Catnap Morgana 168 90 + Sleep (Med) 5 Yurlungur Mirrirmina Makoto 92 6 Ma+5 6 Vasuki Kuzuryu Gouhou Yusuke 300 88 + Random Ailment (Low) 9 Armor King Frost King Frost Cape (All) 140 16 Reduce Ice dmg (high) Satan Tantric Armor (Males Only) 272 18 Reduce Magic Dmg (High) Silky Silk Dress (Females Only) 60 10 Evade Magic (Low) Hell Biker Black Jacket (Males Only) 120 12 Nulls Mudo Jack Frost Frost Hood (Morgana) 130 20 +20 SP Yata Garasu Black Wing Robe (Akira) 220 20 Reduce Nuke Dmg (Med) Arahabaki Tapsuan (Females Only) 160 12 + Evade Wind (High) Okuninushi Official’s Robe (Males Only) 178 18 + Evade Curse (High) Sraosha Archangel Bra (Females Only) 200 18 + Reduce Elec Dmg (High) Accessories Queen’s Necklace Queen’s Necklace All stats +1/ +30 SP Flauros Shackles + Null Rage Narcissus Daffodils + Nulls Despair Stone of Scone Stone of Scone En+3/ Reduce Physical Damage (low) Kali Khamrai Tao + Reduce Fire Damage (High) Take-Minakata Thunder Band + Null Shock Orlov Orlov Ma +3/ Repel Phys (High) Emperor’s Amulet Emperor’s Amulet En+5/ Auto-Tarukaja Legion Legion’s Jail Null Fear Crystal Skull Crystal Skull All stats +5/ + Magic Evasion (High) Mithras Petra Genetrix + Null Burn Ananta Hua Khon Prevents insta-kill from Bless Hope Diamond Hope Diamond +3 all stats/Regen 3 Orpheus Hades’ Harp Ag +3/ + Null Brainwash Regent Regent Str+3 / +Critical Rate up (med) CJ fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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Enjoying this video game but lol is it pervy and homophobic as hell. Japan fella you need to get with the program already. E: can I cheat on my 15 yr old otaku waifu with my paedo teacher maid ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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ThomasPaine posted:Enjoying this video game but lol is it pervy and homophobic as hell. Japan fella you need to get with the program already. That scene in the car when going to the pyramid was really creepy
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I started the sixth palace tonight (the casino). Someone said that the end of this palace is where you need to make a decision which will determine which ending you get. Is that correct, or is that a later dungeon? (I figured the casino wouldn't be until the end).
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Max Wilco posted:I started the sixth palace tonight (the casino). Someone said that the end of this palace is where you need to make a decision which will determine which ending you get. Is that correct, or is that a later dungeon? (I figured the casino wouldn't be until the end).
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Max Wilco posted:I started the sixth palace tonight (the casino). Someone said that the end of this palace is where you need to make a decision which will determine which ending you get. Is that correct, or is that a later dungeon? (I figured the casino wouldn't be until the end). You will be asked a question that determines the ending. If you misinterpret the question and give the bad answer, like i did, it will ask you if you are really really sure you want to pick this answer. It's nothing like P4 where you have to answer 5 dialogue choices correctly.
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Just finished! I enjoyed it from start to finish, but I feel like they made a tactical error making Kamoshida the first boss. He's such an despicable, true-to-life villain that he made the other Palace rulers seem tame to me, even though most of them were just as bad or worse in their own way. Everyone knows a Kamoshida.
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If you know a Kamoshida you need a police tip line or, if you're an eligible American, a handgun. As for the rest of the game after him, well, Shido comes off as a Kamoshida himself. He definitely tries to rape that woman from the beginning of Joker's story, and there's nothing in the game to indicate that isn't his normal MO with women. It did take me forever to realize that Akechi was probably the product of rape though.
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ThomasPaine posted:Enjoying this video game but lol is it pervy and homophobic as hell. Japan fella you need to get with the program already.
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Endorph posted:japan is fine. well, not fine, but not nearly as regressive as persona 5. persona 5 is very regressive even by japanese standards. there are plenty of things made in japan that are neither of those things.
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Endorph posted:japan is fine. well, not fine, but not nearly as regressive as persona 5. persona 5 is very regressive even by japanese standards. there are plenty of things made in japan that are neither of those things. Ok well then the persona 5 devs need to get with the programme a lot then and Japan is still a v conservative troubling place that also does to a lesser extent
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CJ posted:You will be asked a question that determines the ending. If you misinterpret the question and give the bad answer, like i did, it will ask you if you are really really sure you want to pick this answer. It's nothing like P4 where you have to answer 5 dialogue choices correctly. I haven't made it to that point yet, but I obtained the route to the treasure. I'm still a bit paranoid about picking the right answer, so I'm keeping a save backed up just in case I screw up (I was going to ask if there's a tip or some spoiler-free hint someone could give about what I need to choose.) I have to say, it is a little annoying that you have to wait until near the deadline to send the calling card to Sae. I've gotten into the routine of trying to complete the Palaces ASAP, so I can focus on increasing Confidant ranks and social stats without having to worry about wasting time. I think I might already know the answer to this, but when you start on New Game Plus, do your Confidant ranks carry over, or do you have to start from scratch? I'm guessing the latter, since some of them are tied to certain points in the story, and it wouldn't make sense for you to pick up from later point in their story-lines shortly after meeting them. EDIT: Additionally, what Confidants should I be trying to increase at this point. Right now the Sun confidant seems the most pressing since it cuts off in November, and I think I still have two ranks left to get. I haven't increased the Hermit confidant at all since I don't have a high enough Kindness stat to talk to Futaba. Same with Empress confidant (Haru), though I don't remember what stat you need. The Lovers confidant (Ann) seems like blocked off from progress (it's at Level 5, but I hung out with Ann, but I was told it wouldn't increase soon). Right now, the two I have maxed out are Death (Takemi) and Chariot (Ryuji). I know people put a lot of emphasis on increasing ranks with Temperance (Kawakami) and Fortune (Chihaya) Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Oct 21, 2017 |
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Max Wilco posted:I think I might already know the answer to this, but when you start on New Game Plus, do your Confidant ranks carry over, or do you have to start from scratch? I'm guessing the latter, since some of them are tied to certain points in the story, and it wouldn't make sense for you to pick up from later point in their story-lines shortly after meeting them. Confidant ranks restart, but if you max the confidant you get an item that lets you use some of their abilities as soon as you reach rank 1 in it. Super handy for Strength and Temperance
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Max Wilco posted:EDIT: Additionally, what Confidants should I be trying to increase at this point. Right now the Sun confidant seems the most pressing since it cuts off in November, and I think I still have two ranks left to get. I haven't increased the Hermit confidant at all since I don't have a high enough Kindness stat to talk to Futaba. Same with Empress confidant (Haru), though I don't remember what stat you need. The Lovers confidant (Ann) seems like blocked off from progress (it's at Level 5, but I hung out with Ann, but I was told it wouldn't increase soon). Right now, the two I have maxed out are Death (Takemi) and Chariot (Ryuji). I know people put a lot of emphasis on increasing ranks with Temperance (Kawakami) and Fortune (Chihaya) Lovers isn't blocked off at all - it just means you'll need to spend another hang-out session and then next time you'll likely rank up - possibly because you didn't give enough 'good' answers on the last rank up (indicative by the number of notes when they respond to something you say). Here's the stat breakdown you'd need: Priestess: Knowledge 3 to start, Charm 5 to finish Empress: Proficiency 5 to start Emperor: Proficiency 4 to finish Hierophant: Kindness 5 to finish Lovers: Kindness 2 to start Chariot: None Hermit: Kindness 4 to start Fortune: None Hanged Man: Guts 4 to start, Guts 5 to finish Death: Guts 4 to finish Temperance: Guts 3 to start Devil: None Tower: None Star: Charm 3 to start, Knowledge 5 to finish Moon: None Sun: None
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Onomarchus posted:If you know a Kamoshida you need a police tip line or, if you're an eligible American, a handgun. Teachers grooming students for sex is not as uncommon as one might hope. Shido being Kamoshida on a national scale was a good villain to end the game on, yeah. It brings the narrative full circle. ...I mean, we still had to shoot a god in the face, because this a Persona game. But Shido was the emotional end of the game to me.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Lovers isn't blocked off at all - it just means you'll need to spend another hang-out session and then next time you'll likely rank up - possibly because you didn't give enough 'good' answers on the last rank up (indicative by the number of notes when they respond to something you say). I've got Knowledge maxed out, and Guts and Charm are at Level 4 (I think they're both close to ranking up again). I think Kindness and Proficiency are both at 3 (I need to boot the game up and check though), but I've been trying to increase those. Do Social Stats remain the same when starting New Game Plus? It seems like that would help in spades in regards to getting a jump-start with some of the confidants. Additionally, has there been any talk of an updated Persona 5 release in the future?
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Max Wilco posted:I've got Knowledge maxed out, and Guts and Charm are at Level 4 (I think they're both close to ranking up again). I think Kindness and Proficiency are both at 3 (I need to boot the game up and check though), but I've been trying to increase those. Social stats carry over, yes, as does the Persona Compendium. Gives you a lot of free time such that it'll be a breeze getting everything done with time to spare. There hasn't been, but it's almost inevitable P5 will get an updated version at some point. Probably not for quite a few years, though.
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Speaking of NG+, if you carry over nothing can you still fight the bonus boss? I kinda like the early game gameplay of squeezing every drop of efficiency out of your team, then squeezing some more. Related, can you carry over only your social stats? Those I could do without grinding.
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Endorph posted:japan is fine. well, not fine, but not nearly as regressive as persona 5. persona 5 is very regressive even by japanese standards. there are plenty of things made in japan that are neither of those things. Every time someone blames Japan for late-Persona's writing, I look at Hashino and think, "...He is doing the same goddamn thing that Joss Whedon was." Like, to a T, minus the self-deprecating moments. Not to downplay just how bad Abe's administration is but it's definitely more a men problem mixed with lazy/bad writing.
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Max Wilco posted:I haven't made it to that point yet, but I obtained the route to the treasure. I'm still a bit paranoid about picking the right answer, so I'm keeping a save backed up just in case I screw up (I was going to ask if there's a tip or some spoiler-free hint someone could give about what I need to choose.) There will not be any chances to save after picking incorrect answers so you will always be able to just reload your last save and try again. You should get the right answers first time, anyway.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZmsy1k1_t0 I'm surprised it wasn't longer, honestly.
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