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Ratios and Tendency posted:Rather than pointless community crap, they're putting all their resources towards the amazing expansion that will make this the best Civ ever. Despite your tongue-in-cheek, that really isn't out of realn of possibility. PTW, BTS, BNW, we have a good trend here. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Vahakyla posted:Despite your tongue-in-cheek, that really isn't out of realn of possibility. I would argue that they took something that was "good with potential" and realised that potential. Civ6 is further along than that, it feels more broken at least to me.
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Vahakyla posted:Despite your tongue-in-cheek, that really isn't out of realn of possibility. Rising Tide breaks your little trend. Added lots of flavor and personality, didn't do much to fix the underlying mechanical issues.
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Sep 16, 2017 13:46
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Glass of Milk posted:XCOM is a better game, but is ultimately derivative of enemy unknown. From following games a long time I don't see the value in a large social media presence for companies besides mmos and games that rely on micro transactions .
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Sep 16, 2017 13:48
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euphronius posted:From following games a long time I don't see the value in a large social media presence for companies besides mmos and games that rely on micro transactions . It's better to know that stuff is being looked at. Paradox having their social medai presence has really changed the company from "everything is an unplayable mess" to "nice people that sometimes make a few mistakes".
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Sep 16, 2017 13:59
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KSP's media presence was one of the best I've seen.
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Cythereal posted:I feel Enemy Within is the best entry in the series, old and new alike. I'm playing this for the first time after realizing a couple of weeks ago I had bought this DLC. Absolutely loving it, even though I wound up getting my Mec troopers killed a couple of times while trying to figure out to use them. Plus unlike in Civ VI, you can actually skip the intro splash screens. Cythereal posted:Rising Tide breaks your little trend. Added lots of flavor and personality, didn't do much to fix the underlying mechanical issues. Sadly true. I was really hoping for a BNW type of situation. The war score mechanic in particular was dumb.
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Sep 17, 2017 00:43
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man for a broken unplayable mess of a game I sure enjoy playing this not at all finished trainwreck and affront to all things good in this world try mods you nerds, redistricting alone has completely revamped the way I approach city design for the better and it requires minimal file editing to work just fine with the current version you too can have jewelers quarters giving bonuses to diamonds, jade, and silver
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Sep 17, 2017 04:24
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the only mod that matters broke with the shitpatch and they're not fixing it (CQUI)
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chupacabraTERROR posted:the only mod that matters broke with the shitpatch and they're not fixing it (CQUI) there's a community patch that makes it working again
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Sperglord Firecock posted:there's a community patch that makes it working again It literally takes more effort to shitpost the way the same 5 civ6 haters have been shitposting than just google the mod, download it and run it.
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turboraton posted:It literally takes more effort to shitpost the way the same 5 civ6 haters have been shitposting than just google the mod, download it and run it. "The game is good, if you have a mod" feels like a rubbish argument. And if we weren't talking about how the game is bad the thread would be dead. Like it was before.
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Sep 17, 2017 09:53
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The game isn't good modded since the mods are so limited in scope. You can't really touch the AI, for example, just tinker with variables around the edges.
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Taear posted:And if we weren't talking about how the game is bad the thread would be dead. Like it was before. Now that I think of it, something that the Civ 5 thread got a lot of was stories of SP games that posters enjoyed relaying to the thread. I did this, the AI did that, it was fun etc. This thread has seen barely any of that, especially beyond the first few months. So no wonder it feels like the "game is bad" posters have a monopoly - there just aren't enough "game is good" posters out there
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I think Civ 6 is about as good as BNW, but I did also decide to not play more than 5 or 6 games to completion before waiting for expansions to come out. I like the new systems for the most part, and I don't particularly mind bad AI. It's not like the AI in Civ 5 was ever good.
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Mymla posted:I think Civ 6 is about as good as BNW, but I did also decide to not play more than 5 or 6 games to completion before waiting for expansions to come out. There's a decent gap between "not good" and "worthless". Being able to fight off every other AI player in a game on King when the person who was doing it "doesn't do war" is ridiculous.
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Sep 17, 2017 11:29
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DeathChicken posted:Of course Civ 4 made up for that by doubling down on punishing you for daring to build wide instead of tall. Yay exorbitant maintenance costs as soon as you went over eight cities (which hilariously made Communism the best route for anyone to take since Communists were the only ones who didn't have to worry about it). You still want to build as wide as possible in early game (at least until you hit negative gold at like...10-20% science). There are ways to mitigate your economy being in the toilet (Overseas trade routes, careful tile management with Cottages + city placement to get a good money city, Scientist specialists that give you gold independent beakers, Courthouses and commerce buildings. Currency Tech. Wonders like Colossus, Great Lighthouse, Great Library etc) but there aren't really ways to force an advantage if you miss out on the early land grab because you're scared of a slightly hairy early game (unless you're a master of war). So basically if you're careful you can pretty much expand for the entire game and not have your economy implode, you just have to be slightly careful very early on and then you're golden. You don't have to wait until State Property.
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Yeah, Civ 4 basically steps up the "maximum efficient number of cities" as you go through the game, though it's always a soft cap you can get around with enough money. Early on it's about four cities. Then you get courthouses and you can get a bit bigger. Later in the game things like markets, banks and grocers show up and you get bigger. Then with Communism the brakes come off entirely and you can conquer the world. It was much better than what Civ 5 came up with, which was originally "Build as many cities as possible from turn 1" and mutated into "Four cities is optimal throughout the game" as the expansions stacked up.
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rex 24/7, if you have an income at 0% it means you could be whipping more settlers also don't underestimate free market, that extra trade money is no joke and if you can land sushi or mining inc you're golden.
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While mindlessly browsing Youtube, I stumpled upon this game of Civ 6 (13 minutes long video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzx7IJn0mRo It's a very gimmicky game with just one tile per city in an ocean, but it kinda illustrates the problems with the AI a bit. And also 1UPT. John F Bennett fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Taear posted:There's a decent gap between "not good" and "worthless". Being able to fight off every other AI player in a game on King when the person who was doing it "doesn't do war" is ridiculous. If the game is too easy on king, play on a harder difficulty. The AI is still able to be challenging since it gets ridiculous bonuses to everything. It's really not all that different from civ 5.
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Mymla posted:If the game is too easy on king, play on a harder difficulty. The AI is still able to be challenging since it gets ridiculous bonuses to everything. 1 UPT just means higher difficulties result in the AI lands becoming a carpet of units, which funnily enough makes the AI even worse at using them.
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And you still need to play well when the AI attacks you with its carpet of units, or you will die regardless how bad it is at using its units.
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Sep 17, 2017 14:33
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You don't need to play well to defeat the carpet of warriors milling around your cities ineffectually.
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The patch totally broke my game. The splash screen keeps telling me to join Reddit. 
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Mymla posted:And you still need to play well when the AI attacks you with its carpet of units, or you will die regardless how bad it is at using its units. Ummm.....
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Peas and Rice posted:The patch totally broke my game. The splash screen keeps telling me to join Reddit. Accept your fate already. Your people already praise the depth of Byzantine culture.
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When the answer to the question of "How do I defend against early AI aggression" is "build a slinger" I think it's safe to assume there is zero strategic depth to the combat. I know Civ has always been about pushing units around but I would love to see the series abstract away combat somewhat and focus more on empire building and diplomacy. That or bring back Civ 2 combat complete with stackwipes, either way. Edit: Actually yea just bring back stackwipes and make offense the name of the game again.
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Prav posted:rex 24/7, if you have an income at 0% it means you could be whipping more settlers the early-game "brakes are now off" is corralling religions so you found more than one in the same city 
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Byzantine posted:Accept your fate already. Your people already praise the depth of Byzantine culture. And yours are about to be broken by a 91-year-old blind man and the full might of the Stato Del Mar's navy.
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Just as soon as I get back from taking my kid shopping that is.
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Another thing I'd like to point out that shows off how lackadaisical Firaxis is with this game is accidental inclusion of the leader's nuclear weapon dialogues in this latest patch. To a non-programmer, it may seem logical that a mistake like that happens. They are working on something new, and a little bit of it accidentally slips into the release, but this is a problem that has been solved years ago by modern day programming. Every company that programs anything, except Firaxis I guess, uses repositories to save every version of every file they work on. Nearly every repository option allows some form of branching, which allows the programmers to do things like make a patch for the currently released version while another team works on new features. They can then release the patched version to the public without new features getting in the way, and they merge the patched version code with the new feature code internally so the new feature team can continue their feature work with the latest patched code. So either Firaxis isn't using any repository/version control, are using it wrong, or they released the wrong version to the public and decided just to leave it there for months instead of re-releasing the correct version. All of these are bad, and the game is never going to get better because of the practices of the current team.
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Kibbles n Shits posted:When the answer to the question of "How do I defend against early AI aggression" is "build a slinger" I think it's safe to assume there is zero strategic depth to the combat. I know Civ has always been about pushing units around but I would love to see the series abstract away combat somewhat and focus more on empire building and diplomacy. That or bring back Civ 2 combat complete with stackwipes, either way. Edit: Actually yea just bring back stackwipes and make offense the name of the game again. Civ4 did it properly. Just need to have slightly better UI for managing and viewing endgame stacks. But for civ a fundamental important aspect of combat is that the combat occurs between two units and fully resolves in 1 turn with one of them dying.
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My only gripe with 4 was the suicide catapults but otherwise yea it handled combat pretty well with lots of opportunities for unit counters and superior positioning. At least the AI can kill you (or each other) with stacks, I miss that most of all.
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Catapault stacks were fine, even necessary given the mechanics of stack combat. The cavalry flank attack was a clever addition, but the whole concept of collateral damage just needed a bit more refinement. 1upt is a huge step backward and makes no sense as a Civ concept.
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Mymla posted:If the game is too easy on king, play on a harder difficulty. The AI is still able to be challenging since it gets ridiculous bonuses to everything. On a harder difficulty the only way to win is a military victory, which I don't find interesting. Them getting a ton of free settlers isn't a way to fix this game.
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why the hell is there a continue button in the game in order to reach the main menu
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John F Bennett posted:While mindlessly browsing Youtube, I stumpled upon this game of Civ 6 (13 minutes long video): This illustrates exactly nothing other than people come up with really stupid gimmick maps. Now what you could do, to show how bad the AI is with 1UP, is a Highlands map with ridgelines. It's how I got my high difficulty Civ5 games. Bonus points if you go England for OP archers.
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If I'm working on a religious victory, I should use Missionaries to spread my religion and Apostles for only theological combat, correct? I ran into an issue on my Poland play through where I increased the cost of the Apostles so high early on that I couldn't effectively deal with Inquisitors. I'm a scrub and play on Prince so I figure I did something wrong with my unit utilization.
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Vargatron posted:If I'm working on a religious victory, I should use Missionaries to spread my religion and Apostles for only theological combat, correct? I ran into an issue on my Poland play through where I increased the cost of the Apostles so high early on that I couldn't effectively deal with Inquisitors. It depends - do you have the city state ally that lets you choose the Apostle promotions? If you do then you should be using those as they can take an ability that wipes out enemy religions in a city instantly. It's a very fast converstion rate and an easy win.
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