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Steve2911 posted:The closest thing the first one has to star power is the kid from Stranger Things so I think we're OK. Right, but that was before this thing started breaking records and everyone knows part 2 is a sure fire hit.
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Apes-Ma posted:I didn't catch it before you mentioned it now, but that one close-up of her face in the pharmacy was disturbingly Pennywise-like too. Perhaps someone else can answer, but how much of that is part of the book? Greta's bottle blonde but she has reddish hair, just like Bowers and most strikingly, Bill's mom. There are also a lot of adults in town with vaguely menacing glasses, be they mirror shades or chunky bifocals. I don't really recall that from the last time I read the book in college or whatever. Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:Oh wow, so theyre really gonna make that movie huh? Since they stopped making Paranormal Activity films, they are gonna keep doing Conjuring (and apparently Insidious) films.
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So I was out of town last week, which meant that I had to wait until today to catch the flick. Just got back about an hour ago. Here are my thoughts: Liked: - The casting was phenomenally well done across the board, without a weak link amongst the actors. It's pretty clear Sophia Lillis is going to have a big career. She has a great screen presence. But for me, the MVP of the Losers was Jack Glazer. His foul-mouthed-yet-studious interpretation of Eddie doesn't quite line up with the wet blanket from the books, but I'd argue it's one of those rare cases where an adapted character actually shows improvements over the source material. This version of Eddie makes sense in the Losers. - I had some major concerns with the direction they were going with for Pennywise early on in the film's production, but they nailed it. This version is very different from Tim Curry's interpretation, but that's not a bad thing. This Pennywise felt much more alien and otherworldly, with all of the work done with his eyes and marionette movement, really reinforcing the idea that IT is something very much not human. - Derry was fantastically realized. I hope they follow the narrative of the book on its fate, because I would love to see it get torn asunder. I especially appreciated that they gave the town a light sense of established geography. - The Georgie/Pennywise scene is loving perfect. I was surprised that they went there with the damage inflicted on Georgie, but it was a great way to set up real stakes. It's basically the movie kicking down the door and screaming "FORGET ABOUT HARRY ANDERSON" in your face. - GIANT IT. - The first Neibolt Street sequence is a really great set piece with a lot of rapid fire scares. Pennywise's weird lurch-walk towards Eddie, the clown room, the three doors gag. I would argue it's the most well-oiled part of the entire movie besides the intro. - I was a little worried when I heard about the beat-down at the end of the film, but in practice I actually dug it quite a bit. If nothing else, it was satisfyingly cathartic. - The movie is loving BONKERS beautiful. - "Now I gotta kill this fuckin' clown" might be my favorite line of dialogue from any movie this year so far. Disliked: - Holy lord did they turbofuck Henry Bowers and Mike. Despite strong casting for both, the characters are just the on-screen equivalent of raising your hand for attendance. Bowers is horribly neutered by his slap-dash narrative, with the audience never really knowing basic things like why he has it in for Ben in the movie. His escalation of violence seems random at best, and his fate (being kicked down the well) sets up some serious problems for the sequel. Likewise, Mike just vanishes for, what, like thirty minutes of the movie? Yikes. - On that note, there's absolutely no reason for Ben to be the town historian. Not only was the dialogue regarding why he was doing the research clunky, the narrative payoff for the character itself is pretty much nil. Having him just be the new kid is characterization enough here. That history stuff really should have gone to Mike. Not just because of where the character ends up in the second half, but because his home-schooled background would actually give a NATURAL REASON for him to stumble across Derry's hosed up history outside of a controlled classroom setting. - The Tower Of Power and the floating kids was... I don't know. It was an okay visual, but it raises so many more questions than it answers. If those bodies were actually there, and not just like some kind of magical manifestation, did they all wash out of the sewers at once? Are they still down there? - The placebo reveal of Eddie's medication felt unearned. In the book he's pretty much crippled by his various "illnesses". Here, it's treated more as a character quirk. Which, like, that's fine if you're gonna go that route. But again, bringing up the placebo thing brings up more questions than answers because of the structure of the movie. We don't really get that much of a vibe from his mother. If you're going with the placebo subplot, they should have set her up as far more domineering in her first scene to better build that character dynamic. And what in the holy hell was up with that fat suit? - What a weird choice to ice Victor Criss and Belch off-screen. The bullies getting torn apart in the sewers is classic Stephen King disaster porn, and it would have added, what, five minutes to the runtime to have them get killed chasing the Losers? But alas, their fate is tied to the mishandling of Bowers, which is a house of cards type deal. - I got a lot of different feelings about the damseling of Bev. On one hand, it makes sense narratively in that she's established to be the strongest of the Losers, and by taking her out of the picture, IT makes them all collectively weaker. And she does get to lay in some damage during the scuffle at the end. But my biggest problem with her capture is the way the deadlights are treated. Tom Rogan basically has a super aneurism when he sees them. Audra is only broken out of her coma at the end of the novel, and it's a biiiig scene. Setting up the deadlights, only to have them be countered by a kiss felt... defanging? It's gonna be a whole lot less HOLY poo poo when Audra gets blasted with them in the second chapter now. Despite my nitpicks, I do want to reinforce that I really did like the movie a lot. As a lifelong Stephen King fan, it was kind of incredible thing to sit there and see the essence of a book I've read countless times get so perfectly translated to screen in so many ways. I'll definitely see it again before it hits theaters, and it's an easy recommend for me to anyone who wants to have a fun night at the cinema. Speaking of which, I went to see this at three o'clock on a Sunday, and the theater was pretty much sold-out. I'm thinking the Pennywise Express money train won't be stopping any time soon.
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BiggerBoat posted:Right, but that was before this thing started breaking records and everyone knows part 2 is a sure fire hit. Hopefully. they'll realize that they don't need that extra bit of marketing oomph that a big star brings - they know the thing sells so long as they've got the clown and audience goodwill. I can see them going for one maybe, for Bill, or maybe Mike as he will be the character who kicks off the story I presume.
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Karloff posted:Hopefully. they'll realize that they don't need that extra bit of marketing oomph that a big star brings - they know the thing sells so long as they've got the clown and audience goodwill. That's sort of what I meant. That they're gonna shoehorn stars in everywhere which is not needed at all and will almost certainly gently caress IT up. They just need good actors. But I can see it going the other way and next thing you know Jonah Hill is playing Ben and Michael B. Jordan is cast as Mike or some poo poo. Hopefully not. I think the sequel will work best with unknowns and really good actors. Then again, you're Boris Karloff so I'm not sure you're the person who should be speaking to this.
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Nroo posted:I've been watching a bunch of South Korean films lately so "tonal whiplash" has been extremely my poo poo. Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:hell yeah, which ones? Nroo posted:The Handmaiden* (prob the first movie I was surprised to learn was shot on digital) Several pages ago, but may I recommend Okja
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Richie stole the show for me, particularly Beaver trapping town and gotta kill this loving clown.
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Eifert Posting posted:Richie stole the show for me, particularly Beaver trapping town and gotta kill this loving clown. I'd rank the story about 7/10, the horror 6/10, design 8/10, and sick kid burns 9.5/10
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I'd rank the story about 6/10, the horror 7/10, design 8/10, sick kid burns 9.5/10 I think the only thing that could make the next part not work is the lack of sick kid burns. They did a great job of ratcheting and releasing tension to new baselines based off of the kids being friends, but a lot of that was the kids being actually kids humor.
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Finally got a chance to see It at the show this weekend with my fiance as a dinner/movie outing. He's not much of a horror movie person, hasn't read any Stephen King, or seen any of the miniseries so I was prepared for him to excuse himself to the lobby in parts much like he's done before when we saw the Hills Have Eyes remake. He stuck it out and liked the movie overall except he wasn't too big on the thematic music. I liked it as well. I do still stand by my earlier post that the only way we'll get an as close to the book as possible adaptation would be as a cable miniseries, and as far as the movie goes, like the TV miniseries, it's good for what they can do with the medium and the time it's made in. To itemize my likes and dislikes: I really liked how Derry looked. If they just took out the 80s markers like the arcade and cars, it's how I saw 50s era Derry. I think I'd actually be pissed if we don't see Derry's implosion in part 2. I did have concerns with how moving the setting up to the 80s would work, but it worked for the most part. Granted my time during the 80s with school was a bit different, but that's easily from I was in a more urbanized place than Derry. I liked the chemistry of the kids. It felt and flowed natural. I did like Pennywise's portrayal leaning more on the unworldly. As much as I adore Tim Curry's performance, Skarsgård's performance really fit for an entity that's outside our concept of reality attempting to mimic us. It really makes me curious about one of the cut scenes of Pennywise during the 1600s where he's not adapted the clown disguise yet. What I disliked was how badly they shortchanged Mike. While as far as the kids sections of the book goes, he's a late arrival, when you look at the overall story, he's a steady presence just as important as the others. His getting shuffled off on the sidelines for the most part didn't do the character justice at all. As much as they did cover a goodly amount of content in the movie, parts of it felt like they were following an outline bullet list rather than having a structured flow and checking off what points they had to tick. This might improve with the extended version blu-ray I've heard mentioned. For an example, with Eddie's mom, we really don't get a better presentation of how much of a domineering force she is with controlling Eddie with hypochondria. We see the overflowing medicine cabinet, hear about the pharmacy account and how badly she'd freak out if she saw the first aid supplies purchased, but we don't get anything like how she was in the book when Eddie's in the hospital "in his bed of pain" or her feeling threatened by Eddie's friends or how deeply shaken she is that he knows his meds are placebos. Granted, this could also be me being a bit book pedantic as well. I wasn't a fan of the thematic music. It felt like the audio equivalent of a 'be prepared, scary moment coming up' telegraphing. Equally I found the rushing towards the camera Pennywise more ridiculous than scary, but then if I try to imagine what that'd be like for someone not like me who's been watching horror movies since I could sit up in the playpen, it probably would be scary as all hell to a kid. So, all in all, I liked the movie, will be picking up the extended cut when it's released and will be seeing part 2 with my fiance when the time comes. As for where we went to dinner after the movie, he surprised me with chinese. I did, however, skip the fortune cookies for dessert.
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M_Sinistrari posted:For an example, with Eddie's mom, we really don't get a better presentation of how much of a domineering force she is with controlling Eddie with hypochondria. We see the overflowing medicine cabinet, hear about the pharmacy account and how badly she'd freak out if she saw the first aid supplies purchased, but we don't get anything like how she was in the book when Eddie's in the hospital "in his bed of pain" or her feeling threatened by Eddie's friends or how deeply shaken she is that he knows his meds are placebos. Granted, this could also be me being a bit book pedantic as well. I think you're spot on, because I didn't remember that plotline at all from the TV series (and never read the book), and when they got to the placebo scenes I was, like, "Oh, that's what's supposed to have been going on?"
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Perhaps someone else can answer, but how much of that is part of the book? Greta's bottle blonde but she has reddish hair, just like Bowers and most strikingly, Bill's mom. There are also a lot of adults in town with vaguely menacing glasses, be they mirror shades or chunky bifocals. I don't really recall that from the last time I read the book in college or whatever. I don't remember anything specific about this from the book either, but there was definitely a hair/makeup/direction effort to make the adults look similar and creepy in the movie.
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One thing that bugged me about the movie (I think this is in the book too), why the hell are parents believing the rumors about a vaguely-teenage girl, in the first place? And evidently spreading those rumors to her father? If I had spread the rumor that some girl in my class was the village bicycle, my parents would've chastised me for referring to someone in that way.
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Because Derry is a bad town
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AnonSpore posted:Because he worries about Bevvie. He worries A LOT.
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Rotten Tomatoes headline: "It follows record opening with disarming $60M 2nd weekend" clever!
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MisterBibs posted:One thing that bugged me about the movie (I think this is in the book too), why the hell are parents believing the rumors about a vaguely-teenage girl, in the first place? And evidently spreading those rumors to her father? If I had spread the rumor that some girl in my class was the village bicycle, my parents would've chastised me for referring to someone in that way. Yeah I found that really icky. In the context of Derry (or even small town US in the '80s) it makes perfect sense, but the idea of parents saying 'Yes one girl said that another girl is a slut, we'd better tell our kids to stay away from this slutty girl' in this day and age is super gross. How old is she even meant to be, anyway? 12? Ew.
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They're all 13 or 14.
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Tbh I interpreted Eddie's Mums words as the town all know about Bevvys abuse rather than the sleeping with boys thing. Might just be me but it felt like everyone knew what Bev's Dad was like and pretty much blamed the victim.it fits in with how much of a terrible town Derry is.
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Also keep in mind that Derry is Omelas without the ritual of learning about the town's secret horror.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Perhaps someone else can answer, but how much of that is part of the book? Greta's bottle blonde but she has reddish hair, just like Bowers and most strikingly, Bill's mom. There are also a lot of adults in town with vaguely menacing glasses, be they mirror shades or chunky bifocals. I don't really recall that from the last time I read the book in college or whatever. Pretty certain it's a movie invention. Obviously King's book can take it's time with how Derry is infested with this malignant evil but the movie does it with some neat visual shorthand. As for my own nitpicky complaint, I felt like the scene with George at the start was weirdly rushed. The book scene gets across how strange the whole encounter is and also how alluring Pennywise still makes it despite all that. It completely omits the balloon exchange and the "You'll float too" line doesn't it? Which is weird seeing as the movie goes on to mention it a few times.
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I still like how Georgie is clearly freaked out and wanting to leave, but his fear of Bill being mad at losing the boat keeps him in place rather than Pennywise's talk about popcorn.
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MisterBibs posted:One thing that bugged me about the movie (I think this is in the book too), why the hell are parents believing the rumors about a vaguely-teenage girl, in the first place? And evidently spreading those rumors to her father? If I had spread the rumor that some girl in my class was the village bicycle, my parents would've chastised me for referring to someone in that way. In the book it was more Bev was from the "wrong side of town" kinda thing which anyone from that section of town would've gotten. The rumors that got back to her father was implied to be Pennywise in his Bob Gray persona about her hanging with boys and doing who knew what.
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M_Sinistrari posted:In the book it was more Bev was from the "wrong side of town" kinda thing which anyone from that section of town would've gotten. The rumors that got back to her father was implied to be Pennywise in his Bob Gray persona about her hanging with boys and doing who knew what. Yeah in the book there's much more of a geographical/social divide between the kids. Beverly is from a low income family and so because Derry is a lovely place they just naturally believe the rumours about her. It's mentioned in the movie, but it's also because she's the lone girl with a group of boys.
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I thought it was fun as a movie, but the horror was underwhelming. I was expecting more atmosphere and dread, and less "loud noise while Pennywise screams and charges toward the camera"
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That's why it was more fun than scary. A real scary movie is not very fun at all, like Green Room.
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Yeah, IT definitely falls into the "crowd pleaser" camp of horror, as opposed to being truly disturbing, which I'm totes fine with. The biggest pop of the showing I was at came from the slideshow scene, which elicited quite a few shrieks from the crowd, closely followed by a lot of good-natured laughter.
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I'm going to be the wuss of the thread and state that the graphic depiction of Georgie losing his arm was too far. I don't need to see a 6 year old boy get his arm bitten off and then watch him crying in pain as he tries in vain to get away with a lopped off arm. Too far. Too much. Bad taste.
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Yaws posted:I'm going to be the wuss of the thread and state that the graphic depiction of Georgie losing his arm was too far. I don't need to see a 6 year old boy get his arm bitten off and then watch him crying in pain as he tries in vain to get away with a lopped off arm. No way, that was the best part!
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Magic Hate Ball posted:No way, that was the best part! Got you a little excited, did it? The needless portrayal of a child in immense pain? Get a little blood flowin' down there?
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Yaws posted:I'm going to be the wuss of the thread and state that the graphic depiction of Georgie losing his arm was too far. I don't need to see a 6 year old boy get his arm bitten off and then watch him crying in pain as he tries in vain to get away with a lopped off arm. I think what makes it especially shocking is that it happens right at the beginning of the film and the rest of the film has very little if any gore. It's paid off well with Georgie turning into The Thing at the end, though.
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It's cool to see kids get it as bad as everyone else.
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Yaws posted:Got you a little excited, did it? The needless portrayal of a child in immense pain? Get a little blood flowin' down there? Yeah, got the blood flowin' right to my feet, this film solved my diabetes. No, but it was one of the only moments of really earnest, shocking fear in the film, and I appreciated that. It was refreshingly harrowing and I felt properly disturbed.
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CelticPredator posted:It's cool to see kids get it as bad as everyone else. Yeah. It's so "cool" Magic Hate Ball posted:Yeah, got the blood flowin' right to my feet, this film solved my diabetes. No, but it was one of the only moments of really earnest, shocking fear in the film, and I appreciated that. It was refreshingly harrowing and I felt properly disturbed. This is a real problem. The film had many effective horror scenes but your only takeaway was a distasteful scene of child dismemberment. I suppose you thought it was super edgy Yaws fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Yeah it is. The kid is okay and he probably had a blast doing it.
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Yaws posted:This is a real problem. The film had many effective horror scenes but your only takeaway was a distasteful scene of child dismemberment. I suppose you thought it was super edgy ...no? Just brutal and discomforting. It's why I like Poltergeist so much - for all its friendly, self-effacing haunted-house-ride attitude, moments of true fear and panic break through and give it that spiky, caustic tone that makes it so memorable and gripping.
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Yaws posted:I'm going to be the wuss of the thread and state that the graphic depiction of Georgie losing his arm was too far. I don't need to see a 6 year old boy get his arm bitten off and then watch him crying in pain as he tries in vain to get away with a lopped off arm. Aren't you the guy who wanted to see Uncle Ben's head graphically blown apart in the latest Spider-Man movie?
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QuoProQuid posted:Aren't you the guy who wanted to see Uncle Ben's head graphically blown apart in the latest Spider-Man movie? If he isn't then can I be that guy?
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Magic Hate Ball posted:...no? Just brutal and discomforting. It's why I like Poltergeist so much - for all its friendly, self-effacing haunted-house-ride attitude, moments of true fear and panic break through and give it that spiky, caustic tone that makes it so memorable and gripping. You're one sick son of a bitch. Glad I don't know you irl.
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