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B | 77 | 25.50% | |
K | 160 | 52.98% | |
M | 65 | 21.52% | |
Total: | 229 votes |
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Ytlaya posted:edit: Just in the interests of being as honest as possible, I'll admit I'm biased in the sense that I knew and was the sort of person with the intentions described, and so when I see posts like yours I can see myself making the exact same arguments in the past. I realize this is intrinsically pretty condescending. But I've never seen any reasonable alternative explanation for this stuff. The only thing close to an actual argument that I've seen is stuff along the lines of "the way leftists are attacking liberals is counterproductive", but those arguments never have any concrete evidence supporting them. While you could say the same about the opposite ("leftists attacking liberals is helpful"), but the difference is that leftists also have an ideological reason for what they're doing. (And you could obviously make a pretty plausible argument that stuff like the current shift to the left regarding healthcare policy would never have happened without the enthusiasm and anger from the left, though that's virtually impossible to prove or disprove.) A good post that reflects my experiences. Grappling with centrism's evil clutches would be a lot less frustrating if any of the rhetoric surrounding it had an honest and upfront delivery. I think cloaking it in patronizing and technocratic terms is the main way to proliferate it though.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 01:43 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 07:11 |
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Ytlaya posted:I mean, fair enough I guess, but think of it this way: How would you feel if someone popped into a global warming thread and like 95% of their posts were just calling out the mistakes made by the pro-global warming* posters? It's only natural to assume someone is opposed to something if they put nearly all their time into being contrarian towards those who support it, and that analogy is actually fairly generous because it's assuming the contrarian stuff in question is actually always valid and true. Tone is also important; it's possible to disagree with people without being clearly insulting and while still indicating that you're broadly on the "same side." Also, some degree of biased/irrational energy is inevitable with any sort of passionate/emotional ideological movement, so I don't think there's really any point in nitpicking over such things unless they're actually things officially or predominantly supported by the movement as a whole.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 01:47 |
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Kilroy posted:There are lots of threads in D&D with lots of bad posts in them, so good luck to you calling them all out. Hey, that's not the guy threatening to shoot other goons at all!
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 06:37 |
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yronic heroism posted:Hey, that's not the guy threatening to shoot other goons at all! (Note that I never actually threatened anyone directly, either.) Or you can continue using it as some weak-rear end shield from my legit and utterly scathing criticism of your terrible posts and the broke-dick brain responsible for them
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 06:45 |
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yronic heroism posted:Nah, I'm calling out the bad posts in this thread. Turn on your monitor. Heh
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 06:46 |
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Ytlaya posted:I mean, fair enough I guess, but think of it this way: How would you feel if someone popped into a global warming thread and like 95% of their posts were just calling out the mistakes made by the pro-global warming* posters? It's only natural to assume someone is opposed to something if they put nearly all their time into being contrarian towards those who support it, and that analogy is actually fairly generous because it's assuming the contrarian stuff in question is actually always valid and true. Tone is also important; it's possible to disagree with people without being clearly insulting and while still indicating that you're broadly on the "same side." Also, some degree of biased/irrational energy is inevitable with any sort of passionate/emotional ideological movement, so I don't think there's really any point in nitpicking over such things unless they're actually things officially or predominantly supported by the movement as a whole. Look, if we aren't on the same side then argument is inevitable and if we are on the same side then crappy posts should be called out in the spirit of goons everywhere. I'm here because I actually do have plenty of bones to pick with Party leadership. I've had plenty of arguments with the hillfolk as I guess they're now called. But guess what? People like me exist and will push back against being called centrist shills or whatever especially against those we perceive as not doing anything to oppose Trump. Your same reasoning could be used to ask why certain of the whiners here spend all their ire on Democrats with barely a word about the GOP horror show. But at the end of the day, people say what they say. IMO at some point trying to explain why someone on the internet does stuff is an elaborate exercise in fan fiction.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 06:54 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think it's a good thing that Hillary is doubling down on and confirming our worst suspicions about her political positions. Eh. The thing is, we were going to get poo poo onto no matter what she did. If she had come out strong in favor of, say, voting rights, against gerrymandering or police violence, they were going to go "See! She's so nice and well-intentioned, and YOU kept her out of the White House, leftist!". Now that she's gone into not-my-fault rant mode, it incenses her more hardcore supporters into a further split and gives more fuel to the Jamie Kirchiks of the world. I remember even making a post about it in the main thread a month or so before the election about how progressives were doomed (in the Democratic party) either way: If Hillary won, she would happily purge the party structure of anything (and anyone) resembling Bernie's politics and support. And if she lost, they would be the ones to carry the blame. But everyone was too busy hailing the inevitable coming of Dread Abuela.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 06:57 |
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Kilroy posted:(Note that I never actually threatened anyone directly, either.) Actually you'll find I stopped short of committing an actual criminal act for the world to see while raging against my internet enemies... checkmate, centrists.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 07:00 |
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Sephyr posted:I remember even making a post about it in the main thread a month or so before the election about how progressives were doomed (in the Democratic party) either way: If Hillary won, she would happily purge the party structure of anything (and anyone) resembling Bernie's politics and support. And if she lost, they would be the ones to carry the blame. But everyone was too busy hailing the inevitable coming of Dread Abuela. No one can purge the Democratic Party like that even if they wanted to. I find the persecution complex in this thread amusing though. These dead comedy forums, with their huge failson contingent somehow still got taken over by abuela.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 07:14 |
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"See I just can't take leftists seriously because they're always talking about "eat the rich" and I'm not a cannibal." yronic heroism posted:Your same reasoning could be used to ask why certain of the whiners here spend all their ire on Democrats with barely a word about the GOP horror show. Maybe you're just too dumb to post good, yronic.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 07:40 |
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Kilroy posted:"See I just can't take leftists seriously because they're always talking about "eat the rich" and I'm not a cannibal." i mean, his title says as much
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 08:17 |
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LOL at Diamond Joe Biden preemptively coming out hard against a UBI what a piece of poo poo https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/909590685061394432
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 13:30 |
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shrike82 posted:LOL at Diamond Joe Biden preemptively coming out hard against a UBI OMG, its basic loving math. If you need income to survive, and all the jobs are automated away, then requiring a job(that doesn't exist) for income(and thus survival) is cruel and will lead to people dying in the streets.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 13:59 |
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If you're not willing to work with people who hate your enemies purely out of spite, give up now. This is America and you will have to acknowledge that group, on either side, if you want progress. Also UBI is loving stupid and relies on this magical thinking that the people who control all the wealth will just keep us on welfare forever instead of coming to terms with the reality of class warfare like a job guarantee does.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 14:04 |
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call to action posted:If you're not willing to work with people who hate your enemies purely out of spite, give up now. This is America and you will have to acknowledge that group, on either side, if you want progress. No you don't? The HFC and Tea Party movement give nothing and win all the time.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 14:07 |
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"hmm I know, maybe if I cede all power and open my mouth like a baby bird, daddy Cuban will feed me and piss on me" lol And that was my point. Spiteful people are useful allies on the left. We can work with people who hate Hillary more than they love Bernie.
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 14:07 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 07:11 |
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new thread! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3834630
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# ? Sep 18, 2017 14:14 |