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Again, this isn't great but it does not change the calculations. McCain was already counted as a yes on this. Who matters are Paul, Collins, and Murkowski.
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Taerkar posted:That the police are where many wannabe-soldiers end up doesn't help any, neither does the 'We are police, you are civilians' attitude and the other such pseudo-military terminology that they throw around. One of my favorite Pratchett novels is when he sent his commander of the watch back in time via goofy circumstances and he ended up as a sergeant in the old watch that was full of assholes, grifters, and thugs. Through the entire novel, people keep asking the question "who watches the watchmen" (hur hur) and the answer the novel gives is that your police need to not be shitbags and hold themselves to a higher standard, and if they can't they can get the gently caress out of the police force. It also enforces this by the leader of the city appointing a commander who is explicitly anti-shitbag and spends more time trying to be a good cop than to just keep people in line, the idea being that a chief of police who isn't a shitbag will work to get shitbags out of his force. I don't really like the idea of the answer being they need to just be better, but the largest issue I see in police departments across the US right now is they just aren't held to a higher standard. This doesn't mean they need to be more professional or whatever the gently caress, it means they need to understand the standard for success in being a cop is being part of the community, being able to defuse situations instead of escalating them, and to do their part to actually make their communities healthier. There are a lot of individual cops who do good work and try their best, but they're fighting an uphill battle that they really shouldn't be.
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Problem is there's no 'standard for success' for being an American cop other than protecting the property of the rich.
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Dead Reckoning posted:My question is, what is the goal (i.e. a X% reduction in Y metric of homelessness) and how effective is it in meeting that goal compared to similar funds expended in a different way. Also whether it would be worthwhile to spend the money on that goal vs e.g. reducing greenhouse gas emissions so that we all don't die, but that's a broader question. Given the expense and staffing required for Deteriorata's proposal, space would necessarily be limited, and given that it has no way to deal with the aforementioned problems, I would be skeptical that it could make a significant dent in the homeless/transient population of a major metro area.ind. Just catching up on posts over the weekend that I'd missed. Dead Reckoning, that argument seems entirely invalid because everything I've seen and found states that housing first initatives save money (Thus allowing more of it to be spent on the issues you consider to be paramount) and thus manage to not only help the homeless person in front of you but ALSO help the 10 theoretical people across the globe. Every single article, news clip, and page that I have read about Housing First says pretty much the same thing. It's cheaper to help these people get back on their feet than to let them rack up hospital, jail, and other bills. Here's one for you to glance through. quote:Homelessness costs taxpayers a lot of money. Take, for example, the infamous case of Murray Barr, aka “Million Dollar Murray,” a chronically homeless man in Reno, Nevada who accrued more than a million dollars in emergency room, substance abuse treatment, police, jail, ambulance, shelter and other costs. So aside from just letting these people die in the gutters, I don't really think that economics can really be used as an argument against housing first.
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I will totally call Joni "I am open about the fact I am 100% a Koch stooge" Ernst and Chuck "I have the backbone of a jellyfish and am terrified of being primaried" Grassley. Oh, wait, that would be a complete waste of time.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:42
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BlueberryCanary posted:So what is the timeline like for the Graham-Cassidy bill in the senate? Does anyone even know? The Senate has to vote before September 30th.
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That image linked awhile back about people onboard with Bernie's plan ... I saw that Duckworth and Durbin we're both "no" in that image, and wondered why. Even still, I'm sure there's no way they would be for this Graham/Cassidy pile of garbage, but . . . where would I even look for that kind of info, just in case?
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Khisanth Magus posted:I will totally call Joni "I am open about the fact I am 100% a Koch stooge" Ernst and Chuck "I have the backbone of a jellyfish and am terrified of being primaried" Grassley. Oh, wait, that would be a complete waste of time. Do it anyway. They need to know that one person gives a gently caress. For every one of those calls, there's a hundred who think like you. They need to know this will hurt them. Make them do the math, even if they still come out okay. Let them know there are consequences.
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Khisanth Magus posted:I will totally call Joni "I am open about the fact I am 100% a Koch stooge" Ernst and Chuck "I have the backbone of a jellyfish and am terrified of being primaried" Grassley. Oh, wait, that would be a complete waste of time. Not if you tell them not vote no on anything that isn't full repeal!
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Office Pig posted:Here's a helpful and healthy infographic for all y'all. Hey we finally flipped the red states blue!
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Zarin posted:That image linked awhile back about people onboard with Bernie's plan ... I saw that Duckworth and Durbin we're both "no" in that image, and wondered why. I fear that "why" will devolve immediately back into the eternal slapfight. Suffice it to say there are valid reasons to not be supporting the bill from both the center and the left, even if you are a proponent of Single Payer. Neither supports Graham/Cassidy, though I don't believe anyone is running a whipcount on Dems over this bill so I can't provide a source.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:48
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BlueberryCanary posted:So what is the timeline like for the Graham-Cassidy bill in the senate? Does anyone even know? CBO score early next week i think? and has to be passed by the end of the month to use reconciliation (ie to only need 50 votes) e: cbo will only be issuing a bullshit preliminary score next week
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WampaLord posted:Wasn't "Who's streets? Our streets" a chant done by the Neo Nazis at Charlotteville? No, that is the chant used by the extremists on the other side, Black Lives Matter.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:51
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:No, that is the chant used by the extremists on the other side, Black Lives Matter. gently caress you.
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WampaLord posted:E: NM http://www.whosestreets.com/
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WampaLord posted:gently caress you. You need to read the first line of the article to know why you're mad. Or you can 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You need to read the first line of the article to know why you're mad. Don't equate Black Lives Matters to Neo Nazis, you loving awful gimmick shithell. JUST POST LIKE A PERSON.
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Mustached Demon posted:Y'all got catfished by McCain. I am very proud to have been in the gently caress McCain camp the whole time. I acknowledged that voting down skinny repeal in a vacuum was a good thing, but I sussed him out as a media whore who never cared about what his votes actually cause, and here we are. GG pundits.
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SulphagneSocialist posted:I am very proud to have been in the gently caress McCain camp the whole time. I acknowledged that voting down skinny repeal in a vacuum was a good thing, but I sussed him out as a media whore who never cared about what his votes actually cause, and here we are. GG pundits. McCain was pissed more about the process being violated than the actual substance of what was happening. A lot of people kind of forgot that because it was good to have a real, unequivocal victory, but then people also shrugged and ignored the fact that McConnell was clearly planning to move forward again in the future. Doesn't mean this is going to pass, but nobody should be thinking "they failed before so they'll fail again" because that's not a given at this point.
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WampaLord posted:Don't equate Black Lives Matters to Neo Nazis, you loving awful gimmick shithell. I was making fun of you because you didn't read the first sentence and the cop spokesman literally calls them criminal extremists.
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WampaLord posted:Don't equate Black Lives Matters to Neo Nazis, you loving awful gimmick shithell. please don't try to control others express their feelings. this is a difficult time for all of us and your bourgeois notions of conventionality aren't helping.
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From this weekend in STL https://i.imgur.com/CIDISzi.gifv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fts7bj-so People should start bringing bags of marbles and dump them as the police advance. Then we'll get to see pigs on skates! twice burned ice fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 21:13
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twice burned ice posted:From this weekend in STL Disgusting.
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I'm getting sick of seeing all of these videos of these black-suited gangs just pushing around people, shooting at others, and committing blatant acts of assault out in public like this. When are the authorities going to do something to stop this? What's that? They ARE the authorities? Oh. Well gently caress.
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Oh yeah and for those not paying attention. We still have a war coming. https://twitter.com/HansNichols/status/909859230865293312 Edit: https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/909882658183933953 Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 22:23
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That's some real protectin' and servin' there, aint it. Ugh. I'm stating again, on the record, I think we'd actually just be better without police at all at this point.
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Hellblazer187 posted:That's some real protectin' and servin' there, aint it. Nah. I'm stating again on the record that that is a dumb solution unless the subsequent warlordized militias are run by friends of mine. In the particular case of demonstrations, the cops need to be in touch with event organizers even if the organizers' fundamental position is "the police are hosed up". It's not like we don't have a buttload of cases where protests pver that weeks unconscionable police murder were handled professionally and with a minimum of violence by everyone involved. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Nah. I'm stating again on the record that that is a dumb solution unless the subsequent warlordized militias are run by friends of mine. as opposed to the warlordized militias we have now that are run by the rich?
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Mr Hootington posted:Oh yeah and for those not paying attention. We still have a war coming. build a fake Seoul a few miles to the left so the north koreans get confused and shoot at that one instead
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Condiv posted:as opposed to the warlordized militias we have now that are run by the rich? Reform very good, anarchy bad, and they'd own their own militias directly in that event anyway.  In a number of developing countries it is routine for even fairly small scale businessmen to have some legbreakers on call because it's cheaper and more reliable than bribing the police to do it for you.(I got to hang out with a couple freelance legbreakers in Sri Lanka, they were exactly as proletarian as you would expect and basically lived to drink, fight, and get in drunk fights - you know, life's simple pleasures and honestly pretty decent dudes when off the clock all things considered) Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Mr Hootington posted:Oh yeah and for those not paying attention. We still have a war coming. if Graham-Cassidy passes, the Democrats are definitely going to push for Medicare For All on a national stage and if they win in 2020, they might get it. It's best for Republicans who support market principles in healthcare to keep the status quo.
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