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Data Graham posted:Huh, so that's not even the same guy. ... if that's not the same guy the wall from both the photo and the video are uncannily similar.
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God loving damnit, this Grahahm Cassidy bill is gonna pass isn't it...
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Spiritus Nox posted:Speaking of, do we have an ETA on that? It would make a certain amount of sense if she's planning on doing image control by coming out FOR Alexander's bill rather than AGAINST Graham Cassidy. I believe the bipartisan "fix" was supposed to be announced early this week. There's some hangups in that Republicans want flexibility in exchange for one year of CSR funding, which Dems don't trust for good reason. It might be hard to get a vote on it while Graham-Cassidy lives though. It's already hogging precious floor and CBO time that should be reserved for other Senate business, like CHIP renewal.
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/909823695299981313 If Peace is good why do you send more troops into Afghanistan?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
That's always been a thing. Its usually done as an excuse to not help someone in need; The right loves to do it on economic too: "oh you're broke? Shouldn't have had a kid at 19/picked a better major in college/gone to college/otherwise not done one stupid thing." "You should of thought of that before you x" was a plot point in the book the jungle the main character gets arrested for attacking his boss who was raping his wife. When he told the judge the family is losing their breadwinner he was told "you should of thought of that before you attacked him" and that book was written in 1906.
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Chilichimp posted:... if that's not the same guy the wall from both the photo and the video are uncannily similar. The guy in the Twitter video looked too KOed to turn himself over for the facebook photo
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Sep 18, 2017 19:40
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Chilichimp posted:God loving damnit, this Grahahm Cassidy bill is gonna pass isn't it... Probably not, but that's not the same thing as "no".
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Sep 18, 2017 19:40
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theflyingorc posted:Probably not, but that's not the same thing as "no". Given that all the firm "no"s on the other bills are "undecided" on this one, yeah its gonna pass in teh senate.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:44
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Khisanth Magus posted:Given that all the firm "no"s on the other bills are "undecided" on this one, yeah its gonna pass in teh senate. are you even reading the thread Swap McCain for Rand Paul, the other two needed are the same people, Murkowski would be very surprising because her constituency loves her for it, and Collins hasn't changed anything that I've heard edit: this is not to say it couldn't happen, but "it IS going to happen" isn't evidenced by anything I'm seeing.
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theflyingorc posted:are you even reading the thread I feel Rand Paul is a much weaker "no" than John McCain in this instance. He could easily flip if they make it evil enough.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:48
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theflyingorc posted:Probably not, but that's not the same thing as "no". McCain is going to vote for it just cause it's got his BFF's name on it and Paul will cave. It's probably over 50% to pass.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:52
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Crabtree posted:If Peace is good why do you send more troops into Afghanistan? "Peace through Tyranny"
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Zoro posted:I feel Rand Paul is a much weaker "no" than John McCain in this instance. He could easily flip if they make it evil enough. I was surprised Paul got on board so easily last time with the bullshit cover of fixing things in conference and McCain stepped up, I feel like now they're reverted to their true stance.
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Sep 18, 2017 19:54
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You know, Republicans threatening to take away healthcare from millions just isn't the same without Covok shrieking about how the sky is falling and that the GOP is ushering in a thousand years of FYGM darkness. I almost miss him.  If this thing passes in the sentate, do we know that it will have the votes in the house? Are the HFC crazies on board with stopping short of full repeal?
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twice burned ice posted:You know, Republicans threatening to take away healthcare from millions just isn't the same without Covok shrieking about how the sky is falling and that the GOP is ushering in a thousand years of FYGM darkness. Given that this is the best thing they are going to get to gently caress over poor people that they have a chance of passing they will probably vote yes.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:00
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mcmagic posted:McCain is going to vote for it just cause it's got his BFF's name on it and Paul will cave. It's probably over 50% to pass. lol this legitimately made me more convinced that it won't, thanks maggy
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Sep 18, 2017 20:03
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It'd be very 2016 for this zombie bill to pass 2 or so days short of the GOP being locked out of loving Poor People for Tax Reasons 2017. Then some Mic or Wordpress article would pop up showing us that no, it's a good thing that millions are losing their healthcare because radical progressive wokeness.
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Sep 18, 2017 20:03
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BLT Steakhouse is extremely good. So, I guess Trump's lawyers don't have 100% terrible judgement.
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Deteriorata posted:Yeah, that's my own impression. The events of the summer were so chaotic that McConnell was stung by the charges of incompetence. He wants a chance for the bill to go through committees and let the Republicans act like grown-ups for once. He's gotten Murkowski to at least hold off until she sees what's in the final bill.
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theflyingorc posted:lol this legitimately made me more convinced that it won't, thanks maggy http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349462-mccain-backs-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-effort Like I said....
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Elotana posted:But it's not going through committees? They're using the same shell they did last time, hence the need to meet the reconciliation deadline, hence this is just gonna be text worked out in a back room and dropped in by McConnell once they have a CBO score there's going to be a random committee hearing in a committee that doesn't do health care but is headed by Johnson, probably in the hopes that is good enough for mccain
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mcmagic posted:http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349462-mccain-backs-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-effort This is not new information, mcmagic
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mcmagic posted:http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349462-mccain-backs-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-effort That ain't the point of contention. Paul doesn't really get poo poo out of caving on this.
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mcmagic posted:http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349462-mccain-backs-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-effort Toxx it passing, mcmagic.
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McCain said he would support it if the Gov of AZ was onboard, and he just announced that he is. So McCain is a likely yes
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Like loving clockwork the usual suspects start beating the nihilistic drum as soon as they heard that the bill isn't DoA. The bill has a chance at passing sure like it always has, that doesn't loving mean that it will or that it's even likely.
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FlamingLiberal posted:McCain said he would support it if the Gov of AZ was onboard, and he just announced that he is. So McCain is a likely yes It's basically Rand Paul votes yes and the thing passes. Like i said, over 50%.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Like loving clockwork the usual suspects start beating the nihilistic drum as soon as they heard that the bill isn't DoA.
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mcmagic posted:It's basically Rand Paul votes yes and the thing passes. Like i said, over 50%. Yeah Paul is definitely a 50/50 vote on this. https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/909776871411392512 https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/909776620038316032 https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/909776281847386112 https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/908747507118768129 https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/908738194295984128 https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/908739000424435712 https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/908712867100282883 https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/908675484493516800
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Like loving clockwork the usual suspects start beating the nihilistic drum as soon as they heard that the bill isn't DoA. Honestly it's been surprising that a bill hasn't been passed yet. Or more accurately it's evidence that the modern Republican party is fractious and intellectually bankrupt, as if they'd been serious about repealing Obamacare they might have worked out a replacement any time over the last 7 years. However the Republicans control Congress and the Presidency and it's still up in the air whether they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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FlamingLiberal posted:If we're counting on Rand Paul to save us we are in for a world of hurt You cannot possibly call "taking a bold stand for stupid, stupid reason" to be completely outside the realm of possibility for a Paul.
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FlamingLiberal posted:If we're counting on Rand Paul to save us we are in for a world of hurt Rand Paul looks out for Rand Paul. And what's good for Rand Paul is for the ACA to remain.
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If they flip Pand Raul it'll be because they convinced him it's the only way to stop Single Payer, which is hilarious because it basically throws a ton of fuel onto an issue that isn't Trump Sucks that Dems can run on in 2018 and 2020 and win weak Trump voters with. If the GOP were smart they'd just come up with some awful perverted right wing mutation of Single Payer, eat the hypocrisy charges because nobody cares about hypocrisy, and move on. But they won't. God help us all if the GOP ever figures out how powerful they would be if they just did some poo poo that's actually popular.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Rand Paul looks out for Rand Paul. And what's good for Rand Paul is for the ACA to remain. Also to not do a pirouette after so openly bashing this bill as not nearly conservative enough for The True Libertarian Ideologue.
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Mcconell won't make the same mistake twice, if he brings this to the floor for votes he knows he has them. If he does and fails again holy poo poo is he terrible at his job. I will continue to believe worst case scenarios though. Expect the worst because hell we got Trump in the White house so anything is possible.
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TheScott2K posted:If they flip Pand Raul it'll be because they convinced him it's the only way to stop Single Payer, which is hilarious because it basically throws a ton of fuel onto an issue that isn't Trump Sucks that Dems can run on in 2018 and 2020 and win weak Trump voters with. By god and big govt they will stand by thier devotion to totally unpopular poo poo they propagandad up support for
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I lost count. Are we at fifty if McCain is a yes and Paul/Collins/Murk are no?
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Spiffster posted:Mcconell won't make the same mistake twice, if he brings this to the floor for votes he knows he has them. If he does and fails again holy poo poo is he terrible at his job. I have to say, as generally bad as McCain was, is, and always shall be, I did enjoy him murdering Mitch McConnell live on CSPAN.  And like any good antisocial goon I was in the thread when it happened
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Tayter Swift posted:I lost count. Are we at fifty if McCain is a yes and Paul/Collins/Murk are no? 49.
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