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Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran
This is a long shot, but I'm wondering if anyone recalls a micro-game that someone made a few years back that they used to introduce people to the concept of RPGs. It was meant to be played in five minutes, with the experienced gamer playing the suspect of a police interrogation, and the curious person playing a police detective interrogating the suspect. You'd go back and forth, asking and answering questions, describing body language, and so on. It struck me as being highly effective because of how straightforward and familiar the scenario is. I've been wanting to reread that article and its minigame lately, but my google-fu is insufficient.

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Serf
May 5, 2011


Well that's the horror of Nyarlthotep. It's like you took notice of one of those ants and decided to gently caress with it in ways it couldn't understand. There are all these terrifying incomprehensible beings out there who can't be bothered to notice us, which is scary, but the idea that one of them would notice us is just as horrific.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Serf posted:

Well that's the horror of Nyarlthotep. It's like you took notice of one of those ants and decided to gently caress with it in ways it couldn't understand. There are all these terrifying incomprehensible beings out there who can't be bothered to notice us, which is scary, but the idea that one of them would notice us is just as horrific.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahYNYW484Vc&t=55s

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

didn't someone do a "clean" version of Cthulhutech? Nyarlathotech was it?

That's a game I ran, it started off as that but it sort of became its own thing. I never really developed it much because I had better games to make though. :v:

grassy gnoll
Aug 27, 2006

The pawsting business is tough work.
We tried, dammit.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

grassy gnoll posted:

We tried, dammit.

And for your next trick, beast?

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010

grassy gnoll posted:

We tried, dammit.

I keep meaning to do a final pbp to finish The Plot :getin: but I barely update my current games on a reasonable schedule. Maybe one day...

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

I could try playing it.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
Gorgnards.txt is gone, and for good reason, but I do want to draw some attention to this flaming trainwreck of an RPG.net thread. A GM pitches a Star Trek campaign, then switcharoos his players with some John Wick Play Dirty bullshit in play, and when he asks for feedback afterwards his players tell him they didn't think much of having their characters' backgrounds mined for things to use against them and didn't actually enjoy the campaign very much, which sends the GM off to RPG.net to post about how angry he is that his spoiled entitled babby players aren't more appreciative of all the hard work he put into his campaign. It's a real treat.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

FMguru posted:

Gorgnards.txt is gone, and for good reason, but I do want to draw some attention to this flaming trainwreck of an RPG.net thread. A GM pitches a Star Trek campaign, then switcharoos his players with some John Wick Play Dirty bullshit in play, and when he asks for feedback afterwards his players tell him they didn't think much of having their characters' backgrounds mined for things to use against them and didn't actually enjoy the campaign very much, which sends the GM off to RPG.net to post about how angry he is that his spoiled entitled babby players aren't more appreciative of all the hard work he put into his campaign. It's a real treat.

I like that the backstory-mining, in this place, involves playing out a flashback that explicitly retcons the events of said backstory. "Hey, remember how you said your mother was murdered? Well, we played out the rescue, she wasn't murdered now! Retroactively! But your friend totally was! Enjoy your new alive mom and your new vendetta against another PC!" Unless it was explicitly Time Bullshit as a plot event, I'd be pretty frustrated by the GM forcing me to roleplay through backstory, let alone actually change it.

EDIT: ohhhh mann this game also involved a Q showing up, after the players had already been given a Macguffin that could kill the Q, and the GM throwing a two-session hissy fit about YOUR BAD CHOICES when the captain actually kills the Q. Classic!

Antivehicular fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Sep 20, 2017

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
http://gregstolze.com/2017/09/the-next-iteration-of-reign/

quote:

The Next Iteration of REIGN

Sep 19, 2017 by Greg Stolze

People, it’s happening.

I first released REIGN in 2007, and I can honestly say I didn’t realize where it would go or how. But the material struck a chord, the mechanics found some purchase, and the method of getting paid for it, well… let’s just say that worked well enough that other people started taking the notion seriously.

REIGN has existed as a book, and a constellation of internet files, and a POD book-in-potential, for a decade now. So I think it’s time to compress it, review it, and release it in a new form. Lucky for me, Hal Mangold from Atomic Overmind Press agrees.

Our plan, initially, was to just reprint the books. Maybe rearrange some material to make it flow a little better. Replace the art I did, which now makes me grit my teeth in abject humiliation. We’d give it a coat of paint, release it in a nice two-volume everything set, maybe do a slipcase, cash our checks and pat ourselves on the back.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the bank. As I’ve cut and pasted material into new configurations, I found myself reading it and thinking “Yeah, that’s good, that’s pretty good there Past Greg but… you know, I think Present-Day Greg could do it better.”

So instead of just a haircut and a new shirt, I’m going to go a little deeper. This isn’t changing the foundations of the game or anything, but… I’d be a liar if I didn’t think I could take this game and make it faster, slicker and maybe a little smarter. The effort on REIGN 2018 to date has just been dragging the blocks of stone into place. But I’ll be posting here as I start chiseling them into new shapes.

Got something you loved about REIGN? Something you hate? Something that you always wondered about? Well, now’s the time to speak up. Drop me a line at gregstolze ~@% comcast.net after taking out that percentage sign and the tilde to prove you’re not a filthy robot. I’m very curious what you think.

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


FMguru posted:

Gorgnards.txt is gone, and for good reason, but I do want to draw some attention to this flaming trainwreck of an RPG.net thread. A GM pitches a Star Trek campaign, then switcharoos his players with some John Wick Play Dirty bullshit in play, and when he asks for feedback afterwards his players tell him they didn't think much of having their characters' backgrounds mined for things to use against them and didn't actually enjoy the campaign very much, which sends the GM off to RPG.net to post about how angry he is that his spoiled entitled babby players aren't more appreciative of all the hard work he put into his campaign. It's a real treat.

I'm not sure why I was surprised that there are quite a few people in that thread that decided that the group in question were 100% to blame for everything, but I was.

I'm also not sure why I was surprised at the number of people insisting that the GM should be free to do whatever the gently caress they want and the players should just shut up and take it.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Don't do what I did which was read a bunch of his posts and then look at the podcast he does that he has mentioned in his tag because he says he has examples of play with his players. 'cuz lemme tell you, it says way more about the dude than the fact that he tried to pull a fast one on his players when he labels the most recent episode ""Storytime Part 2: How I came to stop believing in a post racial society AKA or how I stopped being an interracialist"".

It sucks when players don't have fun with what you're doing or trying to do but I've generally found that the best way to approach that problem is basically to say "alright pause we gotta talk about this" and then...talk about it, at the very least I enjoy chatting with people I've played with post-game about questions or concerns or things they'd change. I mean granted it was never stuff to the extent of what he did with the players, just more tone questions and poo poo like that.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

FMguru posted:

Gorgnards.txt is gone, and for good reason, but I do want to draw some attention to this flaming trainwreck of an RPG.net thread. A GM pitches a Star Trek campaign, then switcharoos his players with some John Wick Play Dirty bullshit in play, and when he asks for feedback afterwards his players tell him they didn't think much of having their characters' backgrounds mined for things to use against them and didn't actually enjoy the campaign very much, which sends the GM off to RPG.net to post about how angry he is that his spoiled entitled babby players aren't more appreciative of all the hard work he put into his campaign. It's a real treat.
a) no fair posting this right after the Reign post
b)

quote:

The second they do not want to be the big drat heroes of the show but just another ship in the fleet.

Nothing spectacular. They do not want to be the Picards, Rikers, Siskos, Janeways or even Kirks of the series. Fine.

They want NO spotlight or fame in corollary to the second issue. No accolades and no fast track promotions and they said I promoted them too quickly. Yet interesting how they gulped those down with self congratulations and fist bumps.
How is anyone this stupid. It's the second paragraph!

Desiden
Mar 13, 2016

Mindless self indulgence is SRS BIZNS

senrath posted:

I'm not sure why I was surprised that there are quite a few people in that thread that decided that the group in question were 100% to blame for everything, but I was.

I'm also not sure why I was surprised at the number of people insisting that the GM should be free to do whatever the gently caress they want and the players should just shut up and take it.

What's hilarious about that thread is its a collision between two polar opposite forms of manbabies. You've got the "GM is god, players need to shut up and appreciate my genius" assholes versus the "GMs are petty tyrants, we need players Bills of Rights" dipshits. Normally they just poo poo up threads on their own, but now the stars have aligned and we get to watch them go at it directly.

Which is nice, since like many I was looking forward to wackiness with the juggalo versus "patriot" rallies last weekend, but the juggaloes turned out to have made a cogent argument in a relatively mature fashion and the patriots were a shart. Thankfully, gamers can be counted on to be less emotionally functional than either of those two.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Splicer posted:

How is anyone this stupid. It's the second paragraph!
It's so weird. He's so goddamn angry that his players didn't think his railroady hosejob was the greatest thing ever. When he asked his players for constructive criticism afterwards, they gave him feedback and told him exactly what they didn't like about the campaign and what they would have changed about it, and his response was to head over to RPG.net and post a [RANT] about how he hates players who only complain and refuse to give constructive criticism. Apparently, "constructive criticism" means "tell me how great I am" now?

His poor players. They made a good-faith effort to engage his dumb campaign, tried to play along with it, stuck with it, didn't ragequit or sabotage it, and gave him detailed feedback when asked, and the GM's response is get on the biggest RPG soapbox online and call them all stupid idiots.

The first response to him is literally "You're better off without those jerks. No gaming is preferable to bad gaming!"

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
His reaction to posts with constructive criticism indicates that maaaybe he doesn't take constructive criticism as well as he claims.

::logs in::

Oh, this is the guy I put on ignore years ago for posts where he fantasized about how if he was God, he'd use his powers to torture people to death for smoking cigarettes. Well, hey. I was a teenage libertarian shithead on RPGnet once.

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now


Yes please, give me more REIGN, especially if it's cross-compatible with all the extra material on Stoltze's website.

unseenlibrarian
Jun 4, 2012

There's only one thing in the mountains that leaves a track like this. The creature of legend that roams the Timberline. My people named him Sasquatch. You call him... Bigfoot.
...Huh. A new cleaned up edition of Reign might just be the solution to a 'what system do I wanna use for this' problem I've been considering.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I get that original Reign kinda teaches the game to you by alternating the system and setting info, but that doesn't make it a great reference document. (Granted, it has a good index.)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
What is REIGN Enchiridion, anyway?

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

gradenko_2000 posted:

What is REIGN Enchiridion, anyway?
A cut-down version of the rules (no setting info) in a small handbook.

unseenlibrarian
Jun 4, 2012

There's only one thing in the mountains that leaves a track like this. The creature of legend that roams the Timberline. My people named him Sasquatch. You call him... Bigfoot.

gradenko_2000 posted:

What is REIGN Enchiridion, anyway?

Basically a setting free version of the original book. I think setting free also includes 'no setting specific martial paths/esoteric paths/sorcery. '

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

What is REIGN Enchiridion, anyway?
The $10 digest-sized version of REIGN. It doesn't have the setting stuff, and I think it didn't have the skill abilities, spells, or martial path.

e: drat double-beaten.

Cannibal Smiley
Feb 20, 2013

Evil Mastermind posted:

Wasn't that an 80's Twilight Zone episode?

e: I was close, it was an episode of the mid-90's Outer Limits, although it wasn't exactly that idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandkings

Written by George R.R Martin, no less. The original story is great; I believe the Outer Limits story isn't nearly as good due to budget limitations.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

paradoxGentleman posted:

Yes please, give me more REIGN, especially if it's cross-compatible with all the extra material on Stoltze's website.

I suspect that said material is what makes up the second book he talked about.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

FMguru posted:

Apparently, "constructive criticism" means "tell me how great I am" now?
It has always meant this. People who can handle criticism don't need to specify "constructive."

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

To me, constructive criticism is actionable. "I didn't like your NPCs" isn't constructive. "I was hoping for fewer NPCs with stronger ties to the party and plot" is constructive.

Serf
May 5, 2011


https://twitter.com/JamesADamore/status/910547650407055360

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I would bet anything that this rear end in a top hat has never actually played D&D

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
Challenge level is the hardest thing to gauge and the hardest thing to get feedback on, though.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

The KKK titles like Grand Cyclops/Dragon/Wizard ARE cool

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
person currently trying to convince me that 4e is bad because when they played it once years ago their character was crit and killed instantly (which seems uh, wrong, and is certainly a worse issue in other games), and then when brought back through DM fiat another player tried to kill them to sacrifice to their evil god

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Countblanc posted:

person currently trying to convince me that 4e is bad because when they played it once years ago their character was crit and killed instantly (which seems uh, wrong, and is certainly a worse issue in other games), and then when brought back through DM fiat another player tried to kill them to sacrifice to their evil god

Stab him in the eye with whatever object you can.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely
Grimey Drawer
Wow, that guy really imploded after his 'I'm not opposed to diversity but--' memo was not received as well as he had hoped.

Zoro
Aug 30, 2017

by Smythe

occamsnailfile posted:

Wow, that guy really imploded after his 'I'm not opposed to diversity but--' memo was not received as well as he had hoped.

Yeah, the guy thought he'd be hailed as a hero, but, instead, all he got is some internet msygonists to go "He has a point" while he lost his job and is likely blacklisted in the industry. And internet msygonists are poor company to have since, outside screaming cuck and attack women for existing, they don't really do much.

But, he's also a msygonist who tried to get all his female co-workers fired for being women so I hope he enjoys eternal underemployment.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

Countblanc posted:

person currently trying to convince me that 4e is bad because when they played it once years ago their character was crit and killed instantly (which seems uh, wrong, and is certainly a worse issue in other games), and then when brought back through DM fiat another player tried to kill them to sacrifice to their evil god

What the hell?

Are they even playing 4e, or are they saying they're playing 4e when they're actually playing 3.x (or 5e, whatever) so they can tell people it's "bad"?

Seriously. Trying to wrap my brain around this, considering that 4e gives you a boatload of HP at Level 1, monster math is fine-tuned enough that nothing is going to kill you in one crit even at that level unless the DM is trying to kill you.

Of course it sounds more like an issue with 'bad DM, bad group' , considering the instant death and the attempts by other players to PK him, rather than a flaw of 4e.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I've experienced exactly one rules-as-written death in 18 months of running 4e, and it was with a Paladin that waded into four Brutes at a time, got knocked to zero, got healed back up, knocked down again, and failed three death saves in a row.

It's really hard to kill a PC in 4e

unseenlibrarian
Jun 4, 2012

There's only one thing in the mountains that leaves a track like this. The creature of legend that roams the Timberline. My people named him Sasquatch. You call him... Bigfoot.
Maybe the one time they played it was RAW fight with Irontooth in Keep on the Shadowfell, which could straight up murder a party.

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Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

LuiCypher posted:

What the hell?

Are they even playing 4e, or are they saying they're playing 4e when they're actually playing 3.x (or 5e, whatever) so they can tell people it's "bad"?

Seriously. Trying to wrap my brain around this, considering that 4e gives you a boatload of HP at Level 1, monster math is fine-tuned enough that nothing is going to kill you in one crit even at that level unless the DM is trying to kill you.

Of course it sounds more like an issue with 'bad DM, bad group' , considering the instant death and the attempts by other players to PK him, rather than a flaw of 4e.

based on context I sorta think someone/everyone got rules wrong rather than any malicious attempt to see the system flop. my current theory is that her group was using 3.5e HP rules (their favorite system next to numenera) or that the GM used inappropriate monsters accidently - when I ran the numbers wrt player HP and monster damage just to make sure a crit wouldn't kill from full health I googled for "Orc stats D&D 4e" and the first result was a fairly official-looking stat bloc that had them doing 2d10 damage at level 2. it's possible something like that happened I guess??

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