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Gene Hackman Fan posted:hillary calling herself a progressive was chiefly for electability reasons, mind... nah, the centrists have been trying to co-opt "progressive" for decades. that's been a New Democrat goal since the beginning of the movement: to redefine "progressive" to mean "centrist" so that they could have a better name for their Third Way. for example, the DLC's official thinktank is called the Progressive Policy Institute. the centrists realized from the start that flat-out saying "we're centrists" wouldn't make for good branding
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Main Paineframe posted:nah, the centrists have been trying to co-opt "progressive" for decades. that's been a New Democrat goal since the beginning of the movement: to redefine "progressive" to mean "centrist" so that they could have a better name for their Third Way. for example, the DLC's official thinktank is called the Progressive Policy Institute. the centrists realized from the start that flat-out saying "we're centrists" wouldn't make for good branding it also shifts the overton window to the right lol
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:socialism is social ownership of the means of production: lovely market socialist systems could have profit-driven worker-owned healthcare 
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hahahaha ellis 
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speaking of the PPI, let's see what they've been up to in 2017. healthcare has been a big issue, so I'm sure they're speaking out on ithttp://www.progressivepolicy.org/blog/california-legislators-understand-driving-rising-health-care-costs/ posted:In fact, the real health care cost problem in California, as in the rest of the country, is not the cost of pharmaceuticals. The real health care cost driver is that health care employment growth is far outpacing population growth. In 2016, California health care employment rose by 2.9%, more than four times as fast as the 0.7% increase of the state’s population, as reported by the Census Bureau (below).. As long as health care employment keeps growing out of control, intrusive bills like SB17 risk doing damage to the pharma and biotech industries without having any significant effect on the cost of health care for patients and employers. All pain, no gain.
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also,  at the idea of leftbook being better than cspam, as opposed to the reality that everything everywhere is terrible at all times and what we perceive as good only manages to suck less relative to everything else
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Main Paineframe posted:speaking of the PPI, let's see what they've been up to in 2017. healthcare has been a big issue, so I'm sure they're speaking out on it *americans pay twice as much as the rest of the world for the same loving drugs* hmm democrats dont think this is a problem? color me shocked
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Unconstitutionally Nice.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:killing time mostly. Facebook has much better leftists, as opposed to liberals who pretend calling themselves progressive means anything anyone else wonder if these facebook leftists are aware that WhiskeyJuvenile employs multiple maids to clean his filth?
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Main Paineframe posted:speaking of the PPI, let's see what they've been up to in 2017. healthcare has been a big issue, so I'm sure they're speaking out on it I went to see if there was anything about this on their twitter feed but it was just post after post about how great charter schools are
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shrike82 posted:lmao, he's so weird. you can tell he listens to chapo and follows leftist twitter. and then he spouts the most banal centrist talking points. but enough about matt yglesias
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:killing time mostly. Facebook has much better leftists, as opposed to liberals who pretend calling themselves progressive means anything Imagine bragging about hanging out on Facebook.
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Who the gently caress trolls people on Facebook?
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WJ's GI Joe name would be Threemaids
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Probably Magic posted:Imagine bragging about hanging out on Facebook. hillary does it, so why wouldn't wj?
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Oh Snapple! posted:WJ's GI Joe name would be Destro
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Condiv posted:hillary does it, so why wouldn't wj? FACE and then BOOK to the polls
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Oh Snapple! posted:WJ's GI Joe name would be Threemaids CC: Hellooooo, I'm WhiskeyJuvenile, and I like to fight COBRA with my bare fisssssssssstttssssssss. Duke: You sound a little untrustworthy. Can you make us feel a little safer with you? CC: Absssssolutely! We must destroy GI JO---, COBRA Duke: Again, still making us all feel just a touch uneasy. CC: ...I'm Cobra Commander Duke: I thought so.
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War is coming from all sides!
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docbeard posted:CC: Hellooooo, I'm WhiskeyJuvenile, and I like to fight COBRA with my bare fisssssssssstttssssssss.
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Lastgirl posted:ya lets make iraq the new israel the kurds are perfectly capable of defending themselves especially since they have good connections with both american and russia
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docbeard posted:CC: Hellooooo, I'm WhiskeyJuvenile, and I like to fight COBRA with my bare fisssssssssstttssssssss. this except COBRA is the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Some IRL person suggested that recipients of UBI should be required to do something. This something was a little vague, but a number thrown out was 5 hours per week. They fear that half of the people (or more) would just become homebodies and not "contribute to society", also the UBI would feel like an entitlement, and they feel there is a psychological aspect which differentiates how we treat things we are gifted vs actively acquire. make people dig 5 holes size of themselves and fill them back up again to get UBI explain to people that digging holes is very important to protestant working class work ethics or some poo poo like that the exercise will also cut down on obesity and healthcare costs it's perfect if that's too mean force people to run around for like a few miles or some poo poo like that
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Typo posted:the kurds are perfectly capable of defending themselves especially since they have good connections with both american and russia Not if they lose air support when Trump randomly declares they are agents of Iran or something
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Nobody in the region supports the Kurds, they're in the way, and Russia is best buds with Turkey now. They'd be hosed
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Friendship ended with ASSAD Now TURKEY is my Best Friend
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Typo posted:make people dig 5 holes size of themselves and fill them back up again to get UBI honestly i would feel far more demeaned doing pointless makework for my ubi than just, y'know, receiving it and channeling my productivity toward something better
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surely there are many opportunities for work that are not pointless, and in fact would be very beneficial to society, but don't offer an opportunity for private capital to extract a profit
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hello check out my new app Holero where you contract out the digging to a certified Holero independent contractor
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kamala Harris has never done blue collar work in her life why would she roll up her sleeves
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Taintrunner posted:kamala Harris has never done blue collar work in her life why would she roll up her sleeves neither did lenin or marx 
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There isn't anything particularly wrong with this but also it's not particularly inspiring unless you're one of the 6% of people who already want to vote for her to receive the Dem nomination
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lets roll up our sleeves and consolidate those data centers people!!!!
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Al! posted:lets roll up our sleeves and consolidate those data centers people!!!! 
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Typo posted:neither did lenin or marx ~Champagne socialists~
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bad dems: antifa are alt-left terrorists. #resist also i don't know why trump keeps stealing all our verbage good dem, keith ellison: acquits antifa of all charges, doesn't tell anyone. still gets branded as antisemite
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loquacius posted:There isn't anything particularly wrong with this but also it's not particularly inspiring unless you're one of the 6% of people who already want to vote for her to receive the Dem nomination guh, feckin' six percentahs
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I WANT to share my tooth brush 
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