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Elias_Maluco posted:That's kinda what I said: the "alien-human-robot-guys" were humans who became synthetic after using the "soul upload" machine, whatever it was called (not sure about this one). The toasters (original robot Cylons) then made a pact with them to create human-cylons and these became the masters of the original robot cylons, kinda like the humans were before. I don't think the human models were masters, at least not originally, just infiltrators/diplomats. The more mechanical models definitely had just as much free will and intelligence as ever at the start of the war. It was later on (Season 3-ish?) that some of them got dumbed down, in fact the entire cause of the Cylon civil war was over whether or not to lobotomize the centurions/raiders.
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Crazycryodude posted:I don't think the human models were masters, at least not originally, just infiltrators/diplomats. The more mechanical models definitely had just as much free will and intelligence as ever at the start of the war. It was later on (Season 3-ish?) that some of them got dumbed down, in fact the entire cause of the Cylon civil war was over whether or not to lobotomize the centurions/raiders. Originally, they arent. They didint seem to, at least But then it was revealed that it was the human cylons (specially Number One) who was command, And there wanst no one above the human cylons, anyway The whole thing is very confusing I guess Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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The idea of exploring a totally synthetic race's beliefs and culture is a cool premise, totally ruined by "they made 100% identical meat-based humans which are sometimes inconsistently better or different but not in any meaningful or interesting way" and the whole thing boiled down to monotheistic humans with non-sapient robot servants and soldiers vs pantheistic humans without robots. But the conflict was entirely human vs human, the robots were just slaves in the background sometimes. Also the cylons didn't have a plan or reasonable motives at all. Like, belters and inners are more different physically and culturally than the cylons and humans in BSG.
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Sep 20, 2017 01:59
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Elias_Maluco posted:The whole thing is very confusing I guess Wouldn't be so bad, but I distinctly remember them making a big thing about how they had this intricate story planned out in advance a la Babylon 5. Bullshitters!
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Did they? I thought I remember them not knowing which secret Cylon they were gonna reveal until the last minute.
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I mean, they had "and they have a plan" at the opening of every single episode for, like, the entire run of the show. It isn't unfair to assume that the Cylons (and thus, the writers) have a plan based off that.
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Invalid Validation posted:Did they? I thought I remember them not knowing which secret Cylon they were gonna reveal until the last minute. They eventually had to admit they didn't have a clue where the story was going, they didn't even plan to the end of a single season.
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Sep 20, 2017 02:40
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They made a TV movie called "The Plan"
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3 DONG HORSE posted:They made a TV movie called "The Plan" And it revealed nothing except that their "Plan" was to kill all humans.
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Im just surprised as most of you are that people who wrote a show that had no arcs between episodes weren't good at a show that was supposed to have arcs?
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Crazycryodude posted:I mean, they had "and they have a plan" at the opening of every single episode for, like, the entire run of the show. It isn't unfair to assume that the Cylons (and thus, the writers) have a plan based off that. They HAD a plan. God's plan. Given to then by the Oracle. Interpreted into actions by the seven models of human cylons. Who didn't really have a plan of their own in particular besides destroying humans and self-discovery. So I mean they both had a "plan" they followed AND no loving clue what they were doing long term.
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'Cause I've got a plan, of the heart!
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Going to back to the expanse, I can only imagine Wes Chatham as Amos, that dude just nails the character and delivers the lines in a deadpan but with a cheeky undertone that is hilarious.He also has the super menacing look required for it. The whole series feels like a super tight version of the books.Shame about the lack of Yojimbo and powerarmour but eh you cant have it all.
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hump day bitches! posted:Going to back to the expanse, I can only imagine Wes Chatham as Amos, that dude just nails the character and delivers the lines in a deadpan but with a cheeky undertone that is hilarious.He also has the super menacing look required for it. I also love the actor but almost wish they'd played him a little older. Show-Amos seems too young for his experiences, but OTOH the grenade scene played out on the show exactly how it happened in my mind when I read it so oh well. 
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On the other hand, Amos in the books is described as basically a baby-face on a few occasions.
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Milky Moor posted:On the other hand, Amos in the books is described as basically a baby-face on a few occasions. Bit of a babyface, a slight bit of pudge around the midsection, and bald. But still lethal as poo poo and, well, Amos. I like both book and show versions. Kind of like how I like both book and show versions of most GoT characters (e.g. Tyrion and Jorah Mormount are both significantly less attractive people in the book) too. So long as the essence of the character rings true I think the appearance can be a bit malleable. I ain't even mad about belters looking basically like earthers outside of stretch armstrong in the first episode. It'd be hard to get that makeup effect to look right, and they do a good enough job with wardrobe and dialogue to help establish that belters are different from earthers/martians. The wife has been binging stuff like Handmaid's Tale, Big Little Lies, and now the new episodes of Outlander, but ever since GoT ended I feel like all I'm doing is just waiting for whichever of Westworld, Legion, or the Expanse gets its new season out for my next favorite thing. Sigh.
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Pander posted:Bit of a babyface, a slight bit of pudge around the midsection, and bald. But still lethal as poo poo and, well, Amos. I feel ya: just re-binged through GoT after the new season and ended up finishing it in <3 weeks. After R&M ends it's season all I have to look forward to in the near future is hatewatching TWD...  Expanse and GoT are good comparisons. I think, as an adaptation, The Expanse is better at being a show. A lot still feels compressed, but nothing like GoT S6-7 which almost feels like it is running off-the-rails at this point. Expanse also feels better at taking the book characters and translating them into  real people, almost moreso than the source material. The thing Expanse is worst at is translating the space opera sections from the books. They want to do the BSG thing and show ships pewpewing in space, but the battles in the books don't really work on screen as SFX.
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I thought the show did a great job on that attack on the research station in the beginning of S2. Can't remember how close it was to the book version though. Agreed that a lot of the book space battles wouldn't work, "their missiles are gonna hit us in 12 hours" is hard to make exciting on the screen. If the show gets far enough I hope they do the 360 noscope railgun shot. 
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hump day bitches! posted:Going to back to the expanse, I can only imagine Wes Chatham as Amos, that dude just nails the character and delivers the lines in a deadpan but with a cheeky undertone that is hilarious.He also has the super menacing look required for it. His best moment had to be his reaction when he learns that Naomi hooked up with Holden.
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When the sci-fi gets "hard" enough the space battles get more and more abstract, involving speeds and distances too great to provide the visuals common to typical space operas. No lasers traveling at subsonic speeds a la star wars. No mystical "shields up" from Star Trek. The only space battle that really worked was when the stealth ship was fighting 1 on 1 against the Roci due to the close quarters nature and tight surrounding geometry.
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Not just combat, but also travel and relative motion. In the books, travel took pretty drat long. And the scene with the Nauvoo trying to ram Eros, Miller shouldn't even have been able to notice the Nauvoo flying by, because of its speed relative to Eros.
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Pander posted:When the sci-fi gets "hard" enough the space battles get more and more abstract, involving speeds and distances too great to provide the visuals common to typical space operas. No lasers traveling at subsonic speeds a la star wars. No mystical "shields up" from Star Trek. I'm willing to give a thumbs up to the donnager v stealth ships.That whole episode was fantastic
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hump day bitches! posted:I'm willing to give a thumbs up to the donnager v stealth ships.That whole episode was fantastic You don't really see anything there. The best action is all from the perspective of the soon-to-be Roci crew from the shop interior. I don't even remember if there were any battle visuals exterior of the ship.
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here's the space battle bits montaged together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpfCkkKP9eE
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Pander posted:You don't really see anything there. The best action is all from the perspective of the soon-to-be Roci crew from the shop interior. I don't even remember if there were any battle visuals exterior of the ship. There were and they are terrible. I totally understand why they didn't want to ape Battlestar too much with their space photography but the alternative they went with, swinging the camera around madly in medium shots, is loving terrible. They kind of did away with it a bit in season two but it could still improve. They really should've just lifted the Battlestar style though.
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I just rewatched the Donnager episode yesterday and yeah, it's not pretty. It's a great episode, but they really should've just stuck with footage from inside the ship. Those bits do a good job of showing how scary it would be to be on a big ship in a battle, but the shots of the actual ships are just a mess.
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Combat Pretzel posted:And the scene with the Nauvoo trying to ram Eros, Miller shouldn't even have been able to notice the Nauvoo flying by, because of its speed relative to Eros. Yeah and they cop to it in the show podcast but the scene as-is looks super cool whereas the reality would just be literally nothing visible and, therefore, lame.
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It's been a minute since I read it, but I think in the book Miller does see the Nauvoo's huge exhaust cone change shape as it moves relative to him. Wouldn't be great TV, probably, but it's something.
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What I really love about the Expanse tv show is the little details that get thrown in for no real story reason. Like the bird flapping and slowly falling because of the lower gravity, or how the police chief pours her coffee and it spirals down to the cup because of the spin. These little things really help build up the world for me and I noticed more of them on my recent rewatch.
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Overdrift posted:What I really love about the Expanse tv show is the little details that get thrown in for no real story reason. Like the bird flapping and slowly falling because of the lower gravity, or how the police chief pours her coffee and it spirals down to the cup because of the spin. These little things really help build up the world for me and I noticed more of them on my recent rewatch. My favorite similar "little touch" was the diagonally cut paper in BSG. I mean, it's not something inherent to the physics the way the coffee/bird is in the expanse, but it's just something that would be out of place in our world and helps cement the setting a bit.
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Pander posted:When the sci-fi gets "hard" enough the space battles get more and more abstract, involving speeds and distances too great to provide the visuals common to typical space operas. No lasers traveling at subsonic speeds a la star wars. No mystical "shields up" from Star Trek. I had a book of sci-fi short stories, and one of them has a super accurate space battle written by a psychiatrist and its about as exciting as reading a proof. The Russians and Americans were throwing asteroids at each other and it sounds like it should be exciting, but nope. Also, going out to the belt and grabbing giant rocks, then lugging them back to earth to throw at your enemies sounds like a lot more resources that nukes or railguns or laser or plasma weapons.
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twistedmentat posted:I had a book of sci-fi short stories, and one of them has a super accurate space battle written by a psychiatrist and its about as exciting as reading a proof. The Russians and Americans were throwing asteroids at each other and it sounds like it should be exciting, but nope. Also, going out to the belt and grabbing giant rocks, then lugging them back to earth to throw at your enemies sounds like a lot more resources that nukes or railguns or laser or plasma weapons. There's a Warhammer 40k short story that actually talks about that last part. quote:Rocks are NOT ‘free’, citizen.
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Toast Museum posted:It's been a minute since I read it, but I think in the book Miller does see the Nauvoo's huge exhaust cone change shape as it moves relative to him. Wouldn't be great TV, probably, but it's something. In the book, basically just as the Nauvoo is about to hit the station, everyone kind of closes their eyes and waits for the bang (ok no bang in space but whatever). Then they look at the charts and see that Eros had jumped to the side instantly and that Nauvoo was now rocketing full tilt out of the system unless it gets recovered. Miller on the station basically just starts asking over the radio what the hell just happened because he was supposed to be vaporized. The ship would have landed before the signal from the eyes could make it to the brain. Also an interesting note in the book, was if Eros had moved in a traditional sense, Miller on it's surface should have been crushed to paste, or had Eros just disappear from underneath him depending on how it moved. Think of being in a car as it suddenly stops, or accelerates, times millions.
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I found the passage I was thinking of."Leviathan Wakes, chapter 48" posted:The great torch of the Nauvoo was a full half of the sky, the stars around it blotted out by the light of full burn. Miller’s suit chirped a radiation warning and he shut it off.
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JossiRossi posted:Also an interesting note in the book, was if Eros had moved in a traditional sense, Miller on it's surface should have been crushed to paste, or had Eros just disappear from underneath him depending on how it moved. Think of being in a car as it suddenly stops, or accelerates, times millions.
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yeah, they were deliberately contrasting the g-forces felt by the roci crew with the spooky movement of eros
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Much like many other things in the show if you haven't read the books this information isn't portrayed well at all.
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PriorMarcus posted:Much like many other things in the show if you haven't read the books this information isn't portrayed well at all. I haven't read the books, and I thought the weird lack of acceleration felt by Miller was really clearly portrayed.
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Eros’ acceleration isn’t possible according to humanity’s understanding of physics. Why shouldn’t Miller be brought along for the ride? That doesn’t make it any more impossible than it already is.
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