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mdemone posted:Fixed. Source: I'm a teacher. Around 20-25% of adults are functionally illiterate if you want to be depressed as gently caress.
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It's real hard mustering any sympathy for nursing home incidents due to lack of proper regulation/oversight too.
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Mustached Demon posted:It's real hard mustering any sympathy for nursing home incidents due to lack of proper regulation/oversight too. Lol if you have any sympathy for anyone just lol
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:How do you think that would play out in a county with deep ethnic divisions and very high gun ownership rates? Probably better than it currently plays out in this country. I don't understand why you think removing power from openly white supremacist organizations and giving it to communities that then have to interact is a bad thing
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Sep 19, 2017 22:03
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Carlosologist posted:a significant portion of people over 55 are probably functionally illiterate, so it's totally possible they missed some cognitive development along the way "32 million adults in the U.S. can’t read. That’s 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can’t read." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/illiteracy-rate_n_3880355.html
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/909958236308197376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Mustached Demon posted:It's real hard mustering any sympathy for nursing home incidents due to lack of proper regulation/oversight too. Why is it hard? Did you get beat up with a walker or something?
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Spun Dog posted:Why is it hard? Did you get beat up with a walker or something? See previous posts yearning for the blood of boomer fucks.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:14
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Don't think they could agree to meeting let alone any actual amendments. See also: healthcare.
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Mustached Demon posted:See previous posts yearning for the blood of boomer fucks. Ohhhh, you're one of those edge people I get angry too, but try not to drag innocent victims into it.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:17
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Spun Dog posted:Ohhhh, you're one of those edge people You're not going to concern troll me into feeling bad about my desire for boomer death. Don't bother.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:22
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Mustached Demon posted:You're not going to concern troll me into feeling bad about my desire for boomer death. Don't bother. Not concern trolling, just admiring an internet badass.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:24
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Spun Dog posted:Not concern trolling, just admiring an internet badass. Ok good. Didn't want you wasting precious posting keystrokes on a futile effort.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:25
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Carlosologist posted:a significant portion of people over 55 are probably functionally illiterate, so it's totally possible they missed some cognitive development along the way They also grew up when leaded gas was a thing. Reminder. Thomas Midgley Jr. was a fucker.
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PhazonLink posted:They also grew up when leaded gas was a thing. this is legitimately the main reason boomers are really dumb and short-sighted on average they're more lead poisoned than a pack of romans drinking from corroding lead pipes
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Is that leaded gasoline causing violence, low intellect based on real studies or does it come from that Freakenomics book?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is that leaded gasoline causing violence, low intellect based on real studies or does it come from that Freakenomics book? very real studies. it is in freakonomics but it's by far the most solid part of the book http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/ https://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2000.pdf
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is that leaded gasoline causing violence, low intellect based on real studies or does it come from that Freakenomics book? It's a huge "correlation does not imply causation" fallacy. Places with high lead levels tended to have lots of violence, ergo lead must be the cause. Except they couldn't show that the people causing the violence were the ones exposed to more lead. The notion that most or even many of society's problems have a single cause is really dumb.
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Jazerus posted:http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/ This is like the one article if I could make everyone read, this is it. The impact of lead in our environment seems unbelievably huge and this article does a great job showing how significant leaded gasoline was in contributing to a whole host of nasty things.
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Deteriorata posted:It's a huge "correlation does not imply causation" fallacy. Places with high lead levels tended to have lots of violence, ergo lead must be the cause. Except they couldn't show that the people causing the violence were the ones exposed to more lead. dude you can literally overlay a crime map and an atmospheric lead ppm map and they correspond perfectly, basically everywhere that has ever had leaded gasoline. even outside the US. correlation doesn't imply causation until the correlation is so large no other explanation makes sense. i am not sure that leaded gasoline rises quite to that level but it is definitely almost there
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Deteriorata posted:It's a huge "correlation does not imply causation" fallacy. Places with high lead levels tended to have lots of violence, ergo lead must be the cause. Except they couldn't show that the people causing the violence were the ones exposed to more lead. It's basically impossible, and morally wrong, to test such a hypothesis. Therefore we really can't say for certain how lead affects society in general. Lead's still extremely bad and we know exactly how it affects development so don't eat leaded paint chips. Also gently caress Thomas midley jr he did CFCs too.
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Jazerus posted:dude you can literally overlay a crime map and an atmospheric lead ppm map and they correspond perfectly, basically everywhere that has ever had leaded gasoline. even outside the US. correlation doesn't imply causation until the correlation is so large no other explanation makes sense. i am not sure that leaded gasoline rises quite to that level but it is definitely almost there https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3829390/ quote:Lead exposure in childhood may have played a small role in rising and falling crime rates in the USA but it is unlikely to account for the very high percentage of the decline suggested by the ecological studies. The assertion does not hold up under scrutiny. Sorry.
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Jazerus posted:dude you can literally overlay a crime map and an atmospheric lead ppm map and they correspond perfectly, basically everywhere that has ever had leaded gasoline. even outside the US. correlation doesn't imply causation until the correlation is so large no other explanation makes sense. i am not sure that leaded gasoline rises quite to that level but it is definitely almost there Science needs more rigor than that. Who loving cares anyway we know lead's bad and why so we must avoid exposure. Don't need rigorous analysis lead's affect on society to get that done.
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Jazerus posted:very real studies. it is in freakonomics but it's by far the most solid part of the book Another good one: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/upshot/what-the-science-says-about-long-term-damage-from-lead.html?mcubz=1 The TL;DR is that lead fucks up your brain something fierce. Worse yet the symptoms of long term lead poisoning are basically indistinguishable from things like AD&D or just "Behavioral" problems in kids. While there hasn't been a controlled double blind study to prove it, that is mainly because it would be immoral to expose people to lead.
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Reuters says that New Jersey and National Democratic leaders are concerned that Bob Menendez is going down. They are encouraging DNC donors to give to the New Jersey Democratic Party and the Democratic candidate in Governor's race as well to have them win and appoint a replacement. Obama will be hosting a fundraiser in New Jersey next week.
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Jazerus posted:this is legitimately the main reason boomers are really dumb and short-sighted on average to be fair we're also all drinking out of corroding lead pipes and Flint is a distraction from the grim reality that most major american cities have dangerously contaminated drinking water. Philly's lead levels are even higher than Flint's and you wonder why the city has a reputation for being stupid and irritable.
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I wonder what an overlay of this lead map and an income map would look like. Maybe lead makes people poor also?
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Your Parents posted:to be fair we're also all drinking out of corroding lead pipes and Flint is a distraction from the grim reality that most major american cities have dangerously contaminated drinking water. Philly's lead levels are even higher than Flint's and you wonder why the city has a reputation for being stupid and irritable. Yeah but MURICA needs more carriers so sorry we can't fix infrastructure.
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Jizz Festival posted:I wonder what an overlay of this lead map and an income map would look like. Maybe lead makes people poor also? Maybe poor people have less access to full plumbing renovations and live in areas with neglected and unmaintained mains?
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Deteriorata posted:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3829390/ You seem to be a lot surer of it than one of the reviewers. I read this and although it is obviously over my head, it doesn't really convince me that leaded gasoline wasn't a significant problem. Apparently I wasn't the only one. --- Approved with Reservations David Carpenter, Referee1 1School of Public Health, University at Albany, NY, USA Competing interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Review date: 2013 Aug 19. Status: Approved with Reservations This is a good review of the published literature, but the conclusions drawn by the author are not consistent with the data presented, specifically the statement “ the evidence is not sufficient to conclude that variations in environmental lead exposure in childhood over the past 50 or so years in the USA explain, first the rise, and then the decline in crime rates”. The evidence used to argue against this conclusion is primarily a study done in New Zealand, not in the US, plus a very limited cohort study by McCall and Land. The issue of concern is whether lead plays a role in rates of crime, and while one can argue about the percentage due to lead, the overall information certainly indicates that lead exposure is particularly important. This needs to be stated in a much more balanced fashion. Because this is the conclusion it is important that it be both balanced and supported by the data. If you discount lead exposure then there must be presentation of a credible alternative explanation, and none of the others are well supported by evidence. I have read this submission. I believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above. ---
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Jazerus posted:dude you can literally overlay a crime map and an atmospheric lead ppm map and they correspond perfectly, basically everywhere that has ever had leaded gasoline. even outside the US. correlation doesn't imply causation until the correlation is so large no other explanation makes sense. i am not sure that leaded gasoline rises quite to that level but it is definitely almost there If there's a utility company going around painting poles that are to be cut down, you'll find a perfect correlation between paint and pole removal. That doesn't mean paint makes poles fall down.
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After a hyper-lethal exposure to lead contamination, I became Plumbum, the man whose butt is made of lead
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Xae posted:The TL;DR is that lead fucks up your brain something fierce. Worse yet the symptoms of long term lead poisoning are basically indistinguishable from things like AD&D or just "Behavioral" problems in kids. I had AD&D when I was younger. I thought the third edition was more severe than the fourth edition. It led me to some dark places where I felt I needed to fight my way out rather than reasoning with people. But it can be hard reasoning with people you believe at the time are monsters.
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loving hell you assholes. Quit arguing about the scientific rigor of lead's affect on society. Lead. Bad. Scientist. That's it. That's all that needs to be said about lead being unhealthy.
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PerniciousKnid posted:If there's a utility company going around painting poles that are to be cut down, you'll find a perfect correlation between paint and pole removal. That doesn't mean paint makes poles fall down. Ok, cool. So the steps in your example are this: Paint happens > utility company work happens > pole falls down. With leaded gasoline we have: Leaded gasoline happens > ???? > bad things happen. What happens at step ????
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Internet Explorer posted:Ok, cool. So the steps in your example are this: Paint happens > utility company work happens > pole falls down. With leaded gasoline we have: Leaded gasoline happens > ???? > bad things happen. What happens at step ???? http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs379/en/
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Internet Explorer posted:Ok, cool. So the steps in your example are this: Paint happens > utility company work happens > pole falls down. With leaded gasoline we have: Leaded gasoline happens > ???? > bad things happen. What happens at step ???? whats your badgame account name
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If this were the Donnie thread I would also make a joke about how fake gold , fake gold paint, and other fake treasure and jewels poo poo Donnie has probably also have high levels of lead. Also Dr. Token tagged along a HUD inspection and chastised the HUD workers were checking if doors and windows opened and closed smoothly.(It about minimizing lead dust from friction)
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Thanks for a random link with no commentary. I'll jump right on reading that.
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