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Mr. Nice! posted:How does that 70-80k shape up in Chicago cost of living wise? I'm not up on the local numbers. Given that it's one of the largest cities in the country, though, I'm going to guess it's got higher than average cost of living. My hunch is that this is only a good salary if you live someone in suburbia and commute like a motherfucker. It’s pretty reasonable, you can get a decent place in a nice neighborhood on that. I mean you’d want your spouse working too but it’s not bad.
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Capn Beeb posted:Why not really stomp on the gas and shoot a pregnant woman in the back. I'm just gonna take your word for it and not click that link. I've had my rage for the day.
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Sep 19, 2017 19:42
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bird cooch posted:The only thing I get out of these "cop shoots unarmed man/woman/child" is that cops are the biggest pussies around and should be mocked for being scared all the time. Remember people getting shot by the cops when Dorner was on the loose?
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Sep 19, 2017 19:43
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The Trump administration commissioned a study by HHS to find out how much refugees cost the US taxpayers. The study found that refugees actually cost taxpayers nothing and in reality generated $63bn in net revenue because refugees themselves are taxpayers. The Trump administration was angry about this, so it scrapped the study. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/...pe=sectionfront
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Sep 19, 2017 19:53
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psydude posted:The Trump administration commissioned a study by HHS to find out how much refugees cost the US taxpayers. The study found that refugees actually cost taxpayers nothing and in reality generated $63bn in net revenue because refugees themselves are taxpayers. The Trump administration was angry about this, so it scrapped the study. its almost like the welfare queens the GOP hates are actually predominantly the GOP's core constituency
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psydude posted:The Trump administration commissioned a study by HHS to find out how much refugees cost the US taxpayers. The study found that refugees actually cost taxpayers nothing and in reality generated $63bn in net revenue because refugees themselves are taxpayers. The Trump administration was angry about this, so it scrapped the study. Si papi that's the good poo poo.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:02
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This morning, Mexico City held a city-wide earthquake drill to mark the anniversary of its massive 1985 earthquake. This afternoon, a 7.1 magnitude earthquake struck. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...omepage%2Fstory
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Sep 19, 2017 20:02
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Nature continues to be pissed, news at 11.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:05
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psydude posted:The Trump administration commissioned a study by HHS to find out how much refugees cost the US taxpayers. The study found that refugees actually cost taxpayers nothing and in reality generated $63bn in net revenue because refugees themselves are taxpayers. The Trump administration was angry about this, so it scrapped the study. Hahaha
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Sep 19, 2017 20:12
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psydude posted:This morning, Mexico City held a city-wide earthquake drill to mark the anniversary of its massive 1985 earthquake. This afternoon, a 7.1 magnitude earthquake struck. I assume this smoke is not from the clouds. https://twitter.com/dlprager/status/910213018566328320
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Sep 19, 2017 20:14
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Mmmm pump the liberalism straight into my veins, oh yeah https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/909892911939985408
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Sep 19, 2017 20:15
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psydude posted:This morning, Mexico City held a city-wide earthquake drill to mark the anniversary of its massive 1985 earthquake. This afternoon, a 7.1 magnitude earthquake struck. What a great birthday story. I was born on that day, in Mexico, glad few people were seriously hurt. 
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Sep 19, 2017 20:17
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Mr. Nice! posted:How does that 70-80k shape up in Chicago cost of living wise? I'm not up on the local numbers. Given that it's one of the largest cities in the country, though, I'm going to guess it's got higher than average cost of living. My hunch is that this is only a good salary if you live someone in suburbia and commute like a motherfucker. I make below that and live very well in a pricey one bedroom apartment in a good neighborhood. To live ok in Chicago without roommates, anything above 45k is perfectly adequate.
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Check out the shaking building at 0:13. https://twitter.com/BreakingNNow/status/910220884824207360 Edit: rip this building https://twitter.com/XEVATabasco/status/910223441877487618 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Sep 19, 2017 20:34
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bengy81 posted:
Christ, what an rear end in a top hat.
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bengy81 posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-QV5zCNyKk
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Sep 19, 2017 20:41
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Sep 19, 2017 20:45
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Mmmm pump the liberalism straight into my veins, oh yeah I don't know what to make of the story, just my Obama fandom coming to light I guess. Sounds like instead of requiring 14.5 billion gallons in renewable fuels, this Carlyle wheeling and dealing got it down to 13 billion? It was the only facility really of its kind on the eastern seaboard?
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Sep 19, 2017 20:55
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New Zealand is in the middle of a fuel shortage because some pillock with a digger cut the pipeline that supplies auckland
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Sep 19, 2017 21:27
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We were talking about the mad pooper today. Latest news I heard was it's a woman.
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LITERALLY SHAKING posted:We were talking about the mad pooper today. Latest news I heard was it's a woman. They released photos that is supposed to be her.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:33
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Mr. Nice! posted:Yeah, the number one way to get better police is to flat out pay them better across the board. More money means better recruits, better training, better equipment, etc. Same with teachers and most public servants of the same type. Problem is, in order to do so you have to actually tax wealthy people and gently caress that better to let poor people die. If you want to recruit minority candidates, who are intelligent, well spoken, physically fit and able to subdue 20 year old men without resorting to tasers or firearms, cool under pressure, with interpersonal skills that let them talk down suspects without force, who have a clean criminal record and excellent credit and who can ace a polygraph... well, you're going to have a hard time convincing that pool to come start work in the jail for the Dingweed County Sheriff's Office, under intense public scrutiny, in a job where people will flippantly call them bastards and hope for their death, even at above median pay, when they could be applying to the FBI or NCIS or living that high life as a NYC stockbroker or running for elected office. Once you actually get recruits, the problem is that 99% of their time is going to be spent on things that aren't hot calls. You have to teach them DUIs and report writing, federal, state, and local law, procedures and processing, mandatory federal trafficking in persons training, etc. Just getting them to baseline day 1 competence is going to consume 95% of training time. And training is not a substitute for experience. When I was flying, was given a staggeringly expensive training program, which I would describe as good but not great, and it still took half a dozen or so combat missions before I felt like I wasn't leaning on more experienced crewmembers. It took a few deployments before I felt like I was confidently in control of any novel situations that popped up, and I was a fast learner. There are things we could do to improve police training, but sending every officer to regular live fire or force on force training is going to be incredibly expensive, even before you consider the need to have extra officers in order to be able to rotate people off of patrol for training days. It's not impossible, but in an era of limited budgets, do you want to do that, or send them to Crisis Intervention Training or get them EMT certified? Also: In a country this size, with 50 different sets of laws, I don't think that universal standards are practical. Much like medical and legal licensing, it really is something that is best handled on the state level. Mr. Mambold posted:Then out of loyalty to policy, Jimmy Carter would not let them have his walking corpse back to stone or whatever, and boy did that backfire. That's all they loving wanted from the U.S. at that point. gently caress you, Jimmy.
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Peetown Manning posted:I don't know what to make of the story, just my Obama fandom coming to light I guess. Sounds like instead of requiring 14.5 billion gallons in renewable fuels, this Carlyle wheeling and dealing got it down to 13 billion? It was the only facility really of its kind on the eastern seaboard? I think you will find that your purity is far to low friend.
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Universal standards are applicable in the medical and legal fields as well. In fact, there are a ton of federal regs in a large number of fields. Also having 50 competing standards is loving stupid. Yes there are differences in state laws so some things will be localized, but basic training, equipment, force continuum, etc. are not so unique from a policing standpoint that you need vastly different standards across the board. Correctional staffing is an entirely different concern, even though in a lot of small places it is done by the county sheriff department, the GA Tech police that iced a kid with a holstered leatherman weren't COs. And yes you have a hell of a time recruiting people to work a lot of these jobs nationwide because they pay fuckall. You're not going to find qualified people to work for $10/hr. Edit: I was doing some math earlier and if the original federal minimum wage was just pegged to inflation it would be $10 and change an hour. You won't find qualified people willing to work poverty wages.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Correctional staffing is an entirely different concern, even though in a lot of small places it is done by the county sheriff department, the GA Tech police that iced a kid with a holstered leatherman weren't COs. Mr. Nice! posted:Universal standards are applicable in the medical and legal fields as well. In fact, there are a ton of federal regs in a large number of fields. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:
That was the conventional thinking. It was and is wrong because the guy, our local ally not local at all, was a dictator monarch, not benevolent at all. It was U.S. not admitting a colossal consistent fuckup of events, because we wanted their oil and their position to gently caress with the Soviets. And those radical assholes were the popular voice. And then they took over the embassy and imprisoned U.S. people for a long time, and things got real close to a shooting war with them. The news was very goddamned depressing for a year and a half, every goddamned day. For one lovely king with incurable cancer. edit- oh, not to mention we ended up shooting down an innocent airbus of Iranians during or shortly after that timeline.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Around here, law enforcement outside of incorporated cities with standing police forces is handled by the patrol division of the County Sheriff, with traffic enforcement by the Highway Patrol. Some cities contract with the Sheriff for police services too. All of those guys I've talked to (not a huge sample, mind you) said that deputies started out in the jail before being allowed to transfer to patrol. Jail deputies =/= prison guards. Didn't notice you had a new avatar. And there are tons of medical, legal, and other professional guidelines from the federal level despite vast differences in how things work at local levels. From the legal standpoint, many states adopt flat out model codes for things for uniformity. There will always be snowflakes, but generally speaking universal standards work just fine across the board.
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facialimpediment posted:Check out the shaking building at 0:13. Obligatory Trump/HAARP joke
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Lots and lots of stuff that falls under "states rights" smells like absolute and total bullshit to me. I don't give a gently caress how much of a special snowflake your state is, people are still people and whatever training standard works best for people will be the same in all 50 states. Maybe there's details about how you fund it or when it can be scheduled best or what corporation needs to be bribed to let it happen that are best figured out on the local level, but the state's rights banner has a whole bunch of poo poo tucked under it that I will never agree with. I also find the correlation between what is considered state's rights and what happens to be useful for turbo loving minorities and the poor when it's written, implemented, and applied in specific ways tends to be surprisingly strong.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Didn't notice you had a new avatar. TBH, I wish it was a rule that you had to link red text back to the post in question, so you could see who you made so mad that they spent $10 to try burning you.
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the venn diagram of "states rights" and "want to gently caress people over" is drat near a perfect circle
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bird food bathtub posted:Lots and lots of stuff that falls under "states rights" smells like absolute and total bullshit to me. I don't give a gently caress how much of a special snowflake your state is, people are still people and whatever training standard works best for people will be the same in all 50 states. Maybe there's details about how you fund it or when it can be scheduled best or what corporation needs to be bribed to let it happen that are best figured out on the local level, but the state's rights banner has a whole bunch of poo poo tucked under it that I will never agree with.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:53
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Theyve managed to adopt universal standards for professionals despite the difference in various state statutes and customs. The idea this is unachievable for law enforcement seems disingenuous at best
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To further clarify this point - One of the fire districts I work in only has one county sheriff's deputy on duty from 3 am to 11 am. Backup is from the small town nearby usually at least 20 minutes away. We have sat on scene outside a house, outside the daylight basement sliding door with the husband and the deputy waiting for for the deputy to get backup before entering, while the wife having a psychotic episode was banging on the door to the daylight basement with a kitchen knife and screaming and wailing for him to come out for 45 minutes while waiting for backup from that small town. Outside of those hours, there are only two deputies on duty for the entire island. (side note- no one got shot or stabbed, and she ended up going to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation) This isn't to say that national standards are a bad thing and should not be further entrenched - but... When you're stuck in a situation where it's far more emergent and a danger to life, and you're the only one nearby for the next 15-20 minutes, at a minimum (as we were waiting for 45 minutes, for example)... I've also been on standby for a home invasion where the suspect had a knife in the house, at 4 am in this same district. He ended up fleeing and being caught about 45 minutes later, but should he have decided to hole up in the house... That's where questions come in. National standards should be put in place, but there are far, far more of these law enforcement districts in this country that exist than you might think. The US is loving HUGE, and population density in a lot of places is loving LOW. Edit 2 - This is simply to clarify that while yes, there should be further national standards for training and qualifications for law enforcement, there also needs to be a certain amount of understanding as far as the majority of districts that you're talking about. I work with law enforcement frequently, but even with that, I feel that the law enforcement I work with could do better on certain occasions for sure. That said, I cannot with full honesty state I would act better than them given some of the situations we both face and given their line of duty. I would, however, wish that they act better in some of those situations. I do, however, understand the strain they're under, as we run about 2,000 calls a year, whereas that rural county sheriff's department last I saw was nearing 120,000 calls so far this year. The island we are on is only a small part of that entire district that they serve, but poo poo man... windshipper fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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facialimpediment posted:Edit: rip this building https://twitter.com/XEVATabasco/status/910223441877487618 sharknado slashfic posted:Obligatory Trump/HAARP joke edificio 7 era un trabajo interior! ¡Abre los ojos, chupando a la cabra!
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Theyve managed to adopt universal standards for professionals despite the difference in various state statutes and customs. The idea this is unachievable for law enforcement seems disingenuous at best
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Dead Reckoning posted:It really isn't though. The policies and training that are going to work for, say, the NYPD are going to be totally different from what works for a rural Montana Fish and Game Warden whose nearest backup is the Bozeman Sheriff, 45 min away. Even though both are sworn law enforcement officers. Upstate NY gets real rural in plenty of places and would probably need things totally different than the NYPD gets/would have way more in common with the Montana example listed--I don't think those different policies needed actually break down across state lines all that well.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Can you give me a specific example of what you're talking about? Like, "municipality X in state Y doesn't have Z standard, which has caused problem A." Because otherwise I fear we're falling into the trap of declaring that the solution to a complex problem is more training and higher standards, so that we can say something has been done, irrespective of whether it actually fixes the problem. (See: the FAA cranking up pilot hour requirements.) The district I work in uses the SOPs for EMS from the next door county, due to the fact that 2/3 of the hospitals we transport to are in that county. The third hospital we transport to is in another, nearby, county. The SOPs we use are not at all similar to the county in which our MPD operates. Going further south in the state, EMTs are allowed to use auto vent machines (on a specific setting in certain circumstances), because their transport times, and so much else is different than the county we operate in. Previous to this department, I was never allowed to use supraglottic airways beyond OPAs and NPAs, and in fact, my entire training on them was, "You will have like 10 minutes to play with this, because in this county you will never use it, you are being shown this just for the test itself." After I took the National Registry exam and until I started working here a couple years ago, never touched a King Tube, LMA, iGel, anything. I've had great training since then only because I've had the time and opportunity to train. Compare that to the deputies I was talking about earlier who have run about 120k calls so far JUST THIS YEAR. Most, 90-95% whatever of them are bullshit, but that's all time you have to take to go, get the information, write the report, etc. I had to be retrained on supraglottic airways entirely, as an on the job kind of thing when I started working here because, well, technically I was trained to a national standard, but no not really. windshipper fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Who could have thought the problem is more complex than a sound bite?
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