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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Tensions in the NSW Greens have boiled over spectacularly, with Newtown MP Jenny Leong storming out of a party room meeting on Monday after reportedly yelling "F--- you!" at colleague David Shoebridge.

Fairfax Media understands the clash was related to concerns over Mr Shoebridge's more prominent appearance in the media across portfolio areas following the death of senior Greens MLC John Kaye last year from cancer.

The NSW Greens do not formally appoint a leader but Mr Shoebridge is their longest serving current MP.

Asked about the incident, Ms Leong and Mr Shoebridge declined to comment on party-room discussions.

Joining Ms Leong in the walk out was MLC Mehreen Faruqi, who is challenging Senator Lee Rhiannon for pre-selection on the Greens NSW Senate ticket. Ms Faruqi did not respond to a request for comment.

Mr Shoebridge is close to Senator Rhiannon and both are linked to the "left renewal" faction active in the Newtown electorate.

The blow up was so widely discussed that it was brought to Fairfax Media's attention by a Labor source.

The skirmish comes as Mr Shoebridge and his fellow upper house MLC Jeremy Buckingham prepare to fight it out for pre-selection at the top of the Greens NSW Legislative Council ticket for the 2019 election.

It continues a tumultuous couple of years for the NSW Greens, plagued with factional infighting at both a state and federal level.

Two bitterly fought NSW upper house pre-selections have highlighted deep divisions between between the Mr Shoebridge's hard left faction and centrists like Mr Buckingham and federal leader Richard Di Natale.

Last year Dr Kaye's widow launched an extraordinary public intervention against the selection of Justin Field, who is close to Mr Buckingham.

In July this year Senator Rhiannon was temporarily suspended from the federal party room over her opposition to the Turnbull government's Gonski 2.0 school funding package.

Senator Rhiannon came under fire for authorising a leaflet from a local Greens group campaigning against the reform package, while Senator Di Natale was negotiating with the government.

But Senator Rhiannon denied doing anything wrong and declared she was "disappointed in Richard's leadership

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Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Dear Muppet,

The comment was in the context of comparing the ALP to the East German government1. The LNP (In broadly supporting universal health care) is also arguably socialist2, democratic or otherwise.

So unless you were making a subtle but unfunny joke I hope you can learn the meaning of context and discourse to assist in your future posting career.

Yours (etc.)

[1]

quote:

FINANCE Minister Mathias Cormann has likened Bill Shorten’s economic policies to those of communist East Germany’s.
[2]

quote:

The Turnbull Government is committed to providing Australians with world class health care.

HOSPITAL FUNDING

The Government has provided an additional $2.9 billion in public hospital funding over the next three years (an increase of up to 6.5% a year) through an agreement with the states and territories that places greater focus on patient outcomes, particularly when it comes to caring for patients with chronic and complex needs.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Someone accidentally let a girl in.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Interesting post. Shocking to learn that even the LNP could be considered socialist. Really makes you think.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
I'm starting to genuinely believe no is going to win.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

JBP posted:

I'm starting to genuinely believe no is going to win.

Same. I reckon a gently caress load of assholes are stealing ballots and all that and even if Yes wins the Coalition is gonna find a way to gently caress it up or ignore it due to legitimacy issues.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Anidav posted:

Same. I reckon a gently caress load of assholes are stealing ballots and all that and even if Yes wins the Coalition is gonna find a way to gently caress it up or ignore it due to legitimacy issues.

I don't think anyone stealing them is changing the outcome. I think no will win legitimately because Australia.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Has there been any comment from Labor about bringing in same sex marriage regardless if they win government? I know they made the "within 100 days" promise but wondering if Shorten has mentioned it in regards to the vote plebiscite boondoggle survey.

Also:

Shaking My Head posted:

Teen party entertainer 'let go' for same-sex marriage view hits back

A Christian kids entertainer who was fired from her Canberra job for saying she would vote 'no' in the same-sex marriage survey has hit back, saying she is "not afraid to stand up for my beliefs" and should not have lost her job.

The 18-year-old, who only identified herself as Madeline, was hired as a contractor and worked just two shifts for Capital Kids Parties in Canberra before she was "let go" on Sunday.

Madeline had updated her Facebook profile picture two weeks ago with a filter designed by the Coalition of Marriage that said "It's OK to VOTE NO".

Capital Kids Parties' owner, Madlin Sims, wrote her a private Facebook message on Sunday saying that "homophobic views being made public are detrimental to the business and don't align with my personal values or morals as the owner of the business".

"We have gay staff members, gay customers," she wrote. "CKP believes in equality for everybody."

In a public Facebook post later that day, Ms Sims wrote that she didn't want "homophobes working for me, especially in an environment with children".

"FYI this wasn't a 'you're voting no, you're fired' situation. There were prior conversations had. As a business that works with children of all kinds, we have a responsibility to working with vulnerable people," she wrote.


Madeline hit back on Tuesday, saying she was not a homophobe and should not have been fired for having an opinion.

"That is the point of this vote," she told conservative commentator Andrew Bolt on Sky News.

"This is a democracy and we were given the options and asked, as Australians, to vote yes or no and it is my opinion to vote no. And I don't think that my job should, you know, be taken away from me just because I have an opinion that someone disagrees with."

On Triple J's Hack program, she said she "loved everyone" but believed same-sex marriage would change the way things are done in schools and change adoption.

"I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs and being a Christian," she said.

"I simply can't vote yes without going against my God.


"If I'm attending a party and dressed up as Minnie Mouse and the child there is same-sex attracted I'm going to love that child like I would any other child."

She said she was blocked by Ms Sims after receiving the message and had no way of replying to explain her position.

On Tuesday night, Ms Sims posted another message on Facebook: "I risked my business and my integrity doing this but I don't really give a s--- because I can wake up tomorrow and marry any bloke I want".

loving good on the owner here. If the roles were reversed and somebody fired a Yes supporter Bolt would be standing up for the boss in a heartbeat.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




quote:

On Tuesday night, Ms Sims posted another message on Facebook: "I risked my business and my integrity doing this but I don't really give a s--- because I can wake up tomorrow and marry any bloke I want". 


Onyaaaaaaaaaaaa

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
Anybody who 'thinks the Nos are going to win' need to start being part of the campaign however they can. Preferably soon, there's massive diminishing returns since people are actually pretty prompt on returning their votes.

Partly, you should do this because it actually raises your spirits pretty considerably to see that everyone's actually pretty cool about it. Partly, do it because you'll feel like you did your part. But mostly, do it so you're not shouting into the wind with neither grounding for your predictions or an answer to 'well what are you doing about it?'

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:

fiery_valkyrie posted:

Where did this 76 genders, or however many it is, come from? I had never heard it before this.

There's a number of catchphrases going around that strawman the social justice movement, or joke as if a concept (like a gender spectrum) cannot be real. They spread very well on reddit

A while ago there was a PYF thread making fun of bronies, tvtropes and teens being idiots on tumblr. I don't know how long the tumblr thing goes back, but the thread focus was people who were into the concept of social justice but were totally clueless and incredibly zealous. One of their behaviours in uh, trying to define themselves I guess? (teens) was making up names for increasingly complex and bizarre gender identities. So '1000 genders'. I heard subreddit r/tumblrinaction was founded to make fun of those teens too but for a few years it's been used by right-wingers to tar the entire left with the 'SJW' brush

The article also has the 'purple haired' and 'x lives matter' catchphrases. Coloured hair is fashionable among young people - no poo poo - but to these people it means feminists. It's paired with 'REEEEE' which I think means 'autistic screeching' but also means 'feminist/SJW screeching'

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Cleretic posted:

Anybody who 'thinks the Nos are going to win' need to start being part of the campaign however they can. Preferably soon, there's massive diminishing returns since people are actually pretty prompt on returning their votes.

Partly, you should do this because it actually raises your spirits pretty considerably to see that everyone's actually pretty cool about it. Partly, do it because you'll feel like you did your part. But mostly, do it so you're not shouting into the wind with neither grounding for your predictions or an answer to 'well what are you doing about it?'

My office has been running phone banks every afternoon for three hours and I'm doing it today. I just hate and distrust Australians.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
Okay in non SSM news this popped up on my feed: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-businessman-who-sought-girls-for-sex-dodges-jail-20170919-gykr58.html



http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-businessman-who-sought-girls-for-sex-dodges-jail-20170919-gykr58.html posted:

While prior good character was "not an immunity card", Judge McCann said he was satisfied the offending was out of character and triggered by strains including financial stress stemming from some of his investments.

"Prior good character is particularly relevant in this case because his being charged, tried and convicted has almost certainly ruined his otherwise stellar reputation and social standing, and is a heavy punishment in his own right," the judge said on Tuesday.

What the gently caress

crepeface fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Sep 20, 2017

Mad Katter
Aug 23, 2010

STOP THE BATS

MysticalMachineGun posted:

"I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs and being a Christian," she said.

"I simply can't vote yes without going against my God. 


This is such a cop out excuse. You can believe in a Christian definition of marriage while at the same time recognising that Jesus isn't a part of everyone's marriage.

People can eat kosher or wear a turnban or whatever without trying to legislate that everyone else must do the same.

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:

rapeface posted:

Okay in non SSM news this popped up on my feed:


What the gently caress

That's really disturbing

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Mad Katter posted:

This is such a cop out excuse. You can believe in a Christian definition of marriage while at the same time recognising that Jesus isn't a part of everyone's marriage.

People can eat kosher or wear a turnban or whatever without trying to legislate that everyone else must do the same.

Exactly this.

People saying they are saying no to a law change because of their religious beliefs are saying they want to live in a theocracy.

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

JBP posted:

Someone accidentally let a girl in.

no it's cool, she's just taking pictures. artistic work, not for real blokes.

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

loving good on the owner here. If the roles were reversed and somebody fired a Yes supporter Bolt would be standing up for the boss in a heartbeat.

He would actually ignore it like he ignores every other instance of homophobic bullying to support his 'gays are the true bullies' stance.

I know it was said a million times that a vote would unleash a torrent of hatred, but I'm still loving stunned by how awful it's been. I'm infuriated just hearing about it and feel so sorry for the gays impacted by it.

foolish_fool
Jul 22, 2010

Senor Tron posted:

Exactly this.

People saying they are saying no to a law change because of their religious beliefs are saying they want to live in a theocracy.

In at least some cases they actually do. You could argue that theocracy is in line with eg Catholic teaching (standard disclaimer that few if any Catholics actually know/understand church teaching).

What I'd really prefer is if they actually came out and said this rather than making up weird lies about safe schools.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DKIX4jbUMAAxSMM.mp4

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
so now we're in the post-truth age where the right wing media can just say whatever the gently caress they want and have it unquestioningly accepted by a majority of the population (i know this was always the case but the past twelve months have removed all the lip service pretenses to the contrary and they're just going to get more and more brazen from here on in) what's the plan for the left? do we have to make up our own bullshit? is this going to turn into a storytelling competition? or do we need to just start killing people already

Mad Katter
Aug 23, 2010

STOP THE BATS
Double outrage: Christmas cakes are already out in my local supermarket, and they are called "festive iced fruit cakes".

This is the continuation of the slippery slope that began with the special persons day cake, which will end in the destruction of our culture.

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
when i worked in the gourmet section of david jones a customer freaked out at me because i hadn't personally taste-tested every single brand of pudding, of which there were at least ten, and couldn't compare/contrast them for his benefit. he told me that i should be using my employee discount to buy samples of each and have them tested by my family so i can provide the informed service he expects from david jones. i didn't say that the employee discount is only 10% and some of the puddings cost seventy bucks because we weren't allowed to tell customers that, but i did tell him my family are jewish; he said that was no excuse and i wished him a happy hanukkah and he stormed out

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Is pudding not kosher?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

its christ-mas pudding not hannukake.

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

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Wait people actually go into David Jones stores?

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
christmas pudding is generally not a traditional part of hanukkah celebrations

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

the old ceremony posted:

when i worked in the gourmet section of david jones a customer freaked out at me because i hadn't personally taste-tested every single brand of pudding, of which there were at least ten, and couldn't compare/contrast them for his benefit. he told me that i should be using my employee discount to buy samples of each and have them tested by my family so i can provide the informed service he expects from david jones. i didn't say that the employee discount is only 10% and some of the puddings cost seventy bucks because we weren't allowed to tell customers that, but i did tell him my family are jewish; he said that was no excuse and i wished him a happy hanukkah and he stormed out

my breasts

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

iajanus posted:

Wait people actually go into David Jones stores?
they do when it's christmas eve and they haven't bought any presents yet lol

my favourite customers were a sweet old lady who bought a bottle of olive oil for her 9-year-old grand daughter because it was the only thing left on the shelf, and not just one but several men buying ginger chocolate for their mothers in law because nobody likes ginger (including the mothers in law) so it was the only flavour we had left after about 11am

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

my christmas puddings

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


My mum and grandmother both like ginger chocolate :colbert:

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Endman posted:

My mum and grandmother both like ginger chocolate :colbert:

your mum's hot

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
my customers never knew how lucky they were, at the time i was being paid permanent part-time rates to work under casual conditions (no sick leave, no holidays, and i generally found out when i was working ten minutes before my shift was due to start) and because it was christmas and djs has a "no religious carols" policy i was having to listen to various has-beens doing overwrought orchestral frosty the snowman covers about eight times per hour and i was perilously close to the point where i might begin to dance and bottles of jagermeister would fly out of my anus at supersonic speed, shattering and causing innumerable deaths as the sleighbells jingled, jingled, jingled over the screams and snapping of bones

chyaroh
Aug 8, 2007

Mad Katter posted:

Double outrage: Christmas cakes are already out in my local supermarket, and they are called "festive iced fruit cakes".

This is the continuation of the slippery slope that began with the special persons day cake, which will end in the destruction of our culture.

I've been seeing "Summer Fruit Pies" or something along those lines in Woolies for a week or two now. I refuse to buy them on principle until December, which is bloody hard because they're really tasty.

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
THE BELLS! THE BELLS!

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
They should bring back the April Fruit Buns.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

the old ceremony posted:

or do we need to just start killing people already

sometimes i think that things will only improve when we bring back political assassinations to maximise accountability, but then i think about how the right would retaliate with assassinations of their own, and then i resign myself to my meaningless bourgeois life.

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Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
i lead a fraught existence

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