Rime posted:I hate food derails but it really does boggle me that the rear end-end-south-pacific loving penal colonies maintained a stronger European culinary tradition than Canada did. Why would that surprise you? 85% of our population lives within 50km of the border with a country with 10x the population that not only had a much more diverse colonialization history than the Antipodes, but also has ten times our population and split from England a hundred years earlier than the other colonies. Australia and New Zealand are really completely isolated from any other culture that they respected enough to steal bits of culture from. And I don't know about NZ, but for Australia, the real defining moment when they truly became "a country" and not "part of England" from a cultural point of view was 1915, just over a hundred years ago. That's really not a long time to completely lose the UK culture, especially when they're not directly exposed to any others that they haven't tried to commit genocide against.
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Also, who wants English culinary traditions? See all these wonderful meats and vegetables we've got? Now let's BOIL THE poo poo OUT OF THEM!
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HookShot posted:Why would that surprise you? 85% of our population lives within 50km of the border with a country with 10x the population that not only had a much more diverse colonialization history than the Antipodes, but also has ten times our population and split from England a hundred years earlier than the other colonies. But none of this is a particularly good reason for why Canadian food devolved into barely-edible junk & convenience recipes, rather than holding a strong base and diversifying, while the penal colonies filled with criminals and largely isolated from the outside world chugged along and blew right past us.
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The isolation let them keep their traditions and develop their own. Canada on the other hand is fully in the US's sphere of influence and we're just going to follow their trends in every respect.
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Rime posted:But none of this is a particularly good reason for why Canadian food devolved into barely-edible junk & convenience recipes, rather than holding a strong base and diversifying, while the penal colonies filled with criminals and largely isolated from the outside world chugged along and blew right past us. New Zealand was not a penal colony It was effectively a mid 1800s property development. HookShot posted:Australia and New Zealand are really completely isolated from any other culture that they respected enough to steal bits of culture from. And I don't know about NZ, but for Australia, the real defining moment when they truly became "a country" and not "part of England" from a cultural point of view was 1915, just over a hundred years ago. That's really not a long time to completely lose the UK culture, especially when they're not directly exposed to any others that they haven't tried to commit genocide against. NZ is pretty much the same there. Its why we have Anzac day vs remembrance day etc. tldr UK sent Anzacs to get hosed up on the cliffs of Gallipoli leading to massive casualties and the idea that maybe blindly following what daddy UK says is not the best idea.
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mashed_penguin posted:New Zealand was not a penal colony It was effectively a mid 1800s property development. Oh poo poo, you're right. I thought Van Diemans Land was NZ for some reason. Booooooo on me.
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Rime posted:But none of this is a particularly good reason for why Canadian food devolved into barely-edible junk & convenience recipes, rather than holding a strong base and diversifying, while the penal colonies filled with criminals and largely isolated from the outside world chugged along and blew right past us. Our quality food tradition is actually quite new. My parents have an anecdote about arriving in the 70s to NZ, and the supermarket having an entire aisle dedicated to the sale of Watties baked beans. Just a single brand. What we had been doing well for a while was farming. Good conditions of plenty of rain and sun, plus fertile soil, meant our primary produce was ace, we just didn't know what to do with it. Enter loosening immigration rules in the 80s and 90s. These foreigners with their strong culinary heritage saw what we were growing here, and how we were wasting it, and decided that they needed to set up restaurants immediately. There's no such thing as NZ cuisine, but every restaurant, including ethnic ones, will boast of their locally grown ingredients. Then have a bunch of kiwis grow up in this environment and become food producers/chefs and it just snowballs from there. But all that fancy milk people were talking about? That only started less than 5 years ago, when Lewis Road creamery (who no one had heard of) launched their chocolate milk with Whittaker's (a local chocolate brand we love) and poo poo started riots in supermarkets because they couldn't keep up with the initial demand. It was in the news a lot, because lol New Zealand.
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McGavin posted:Also, who wants English culinary traditions? See all these wonderful meats and vegetables we've got? Now let's BOIL THE poo poo OUT OF THEM! Conquer the world to get spices, then decide you don't like any of the spices anyway.
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vyelkin posted:Conquer the world to get spices, then decide you don't like any of the spices anyway.
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mashed_penguin posted:New Zealand was not a penal colony It was effectively a mid 1800s property development. I saw the Gallipoli exhibition in Te Papa when I visited in January and it was amazing.
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NZAmoeba posted:But all that fancy milk people were talking about? That only started less than 5 years ago, when Lewis Road creamery (who no one had heard of) launched their chocolate milk with Whittaker's (a local chocolate brand we love) and poo poo started riots in supermarkets because they couldn't keep up with the initial demand. It was in the news a lot, because lol New Zealand. What are you trying to do? Rime is trying to shame us with our culinary culture wrt Australia and NZ of all loving places, and here you are contradicting him about the depths of that culture. Boo on you sir.
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NZAmoeba posted:But all that fancy milk people were talking about? That only started less than 5 years ago, when Lewis Road creamery (who no one had heard of) launched their chocolate milk with Whittaker's (a local chocolate brand we love) and poo poo started riots in supermarkets because they couldn't keep up with the initial demand. It was in the news a lot, because lol New Zealand. Hahah yeah, I remember that. I don't think I was IN NZ at the time but I'd recently come back from there I think and I really, really needed some of it. I tasted some this time, it was pretty good but the Puhoi Caramel/White Choc is better. And yeah, that's good to know that Galippoli is basically the same for NZers as it is for Australia. Also Canada does have its own culinary traditions and good food, Rime I think you're strongly over-exaggerating in your own mind what food is like in New Zealand because it's basically exactly the same as here, but with more of an English focus. The main difference is Canada has a lot more chain brands, whereas most cafes in NZ will be independent and they'll all be good.
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HookShot posted:The main difference is Canada has a lot more chain brands, whereas most cafes in NZ will be independent and they'll all be good. I have to wonder whether or not the over-reliance on chains is due to US influence. Even then, I'm starting to suspect our over-reliance on chains has dulled the Canadian palate so much that most Canadians are lazy and unimaginative. Back when I was unemployed, I'd watch "You Gotta Eat Here," and half the customers interviewed would say the exact same thing about all the (usually non-"ethnic") restaurants.
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mojo1701a posted:I have to wonder whether or not the over-reliance on chains is due to US influence. Even then, I'm starting to suspect our over-reliance on chains has dulled the Canadian palate so much that most Canadians are lazy and unimaginative. Though lovely chain restaurants are one of the things millenials are "killing" so hopefully in 15 years they'll all be gone.
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HookShot posted:Yeah, I think it's because of America. All our biggest chains are really just American ones that have jumped the border, apart from like, Tim's and White Spot and Boston Pizza. You'd better believe that between economies of scale, semi-solid management processes, sheer marketing spend, and high commercial rents making starting independents entirely unfeasible because so few people can absorb the losses at start-up, the exact opposite will happen. Best case you end up with 20 totally "independent", unique, and hipster approved restaurants owned by the same person/group. (Which is exactly what you see with the non-chain places in downtown Vancouver and Seattle, for example)
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HookShot posted:Yeah, I think it's because of America. All our biggest chains are really just American ones that have jumped the border, apart from like, Tim's and White Spot and Boston Pizza. How could you forget the best of all Canadian chain restaurants: The Keg???
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PT6A posted:How could you forget the best of all Canadian chain restaurants: The Keg??? The Keg is not a restaurant. It is a way of life.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 20:43 |
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The Keg is the fanciest restaurant in my city
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James Baud posted:You'd better believe that between economies of scale, semi-solid management processes, sheer marketing spend, and high commercial rents making starting independents entirely unfeasible because so few people can absorb the losses at start-up, the exact opposite will happen. I like all the Renee Erickson places
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mojo1701a posted:The Keg is not a restaurant. It is a way of life. This is the best post if you read it in the Central Scrutinizer voice. The idea of the Keg being the only fancy restaurant available fits perfectly into the dystopian future imagined on Joe's Garage.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 21:42 |
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Even if it is an independent restaurant their food all comes off the back of a Sysco truck anyway. Have you ever been to a small town restaurant? It's like paint by numbers for food. It's amazing that non-fancy local places in the middle of vegetable farming areas will still use pre sliced tomatoes and poo poo from the foodservice catalog. In Ontario at least...
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I legitimately assumed The Keg was an American brand because of, well, literally everything about it
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 22:37 |
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Ze Glob posted:https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/re...obeandmail.com& It will be interesting if this is where a more effective push to rezone Vancouver's endless seas of SFH ends up coming from. Everybody is a NIMBY when you can sit in place in your detached house in a quiet hood while the value appreciates 6 figures each year... But if the market actually plateaus, and the only way to squeeze more value is to rezone for density, maybe that's not such a crazy idea after all.
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# ? Sep 20, 2017 22:43 |
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And a delicious xpost from the r/relationships thread:quote:I am fencing in my property. New neighbors are upset because they feel it is in eye sore. I didn't realize property emasculation was a thing, but there you go.
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dev286 posted:Even if it is an independent restaurant their food all comes off the back of a Sysco truck anyway. Have you ever been to a small town restaurant? It's like paint by numbers for food. Saying their food all comes from Sysco or GFS is like saying "so-and-so's food all comes from the supermarket!" I mean, it's true you could find farmer's markets, independent butchers, etc. to source everything without going to a supermarket or a foodservice provider, but honestly: what would be the point for most things? If it's all pre-prepared poo poo, that's a different matter than "it came in a Sysco truck." Also, all commercial food preparation is essentially paint-by-numbers. That's how good restaurants make high-quality dishes and maintain consistent levels of quality. The quality of a chef that makes them different from a cook is the ability to lead a team of people to execute a full meal service properly, and to make the paint-by-numbers template in the first place.
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We didn't have the money to eat out much when I was growing up so a visit to The Keg is like Christmas to me. Must be some real fancy places you guys are going to if it's so terrible by comparison.
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PT6A posted:If it's all pre-prepared poo poo, that's a different matter than "it came in a Sysco truck." In Canada at least Sysco doesn't seem to sell much in the way of fresh ingredients. https://www.sysco.ca/canada/main.cfm?id=2436
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The Butcher posted:And a delicious xpost from the r/relationships thread: How likely is it that their threat would work?
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Professor Shark posted:How likely is it that their threat would work? slash how likely can that person win a counter-suit with damages
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Professor Shark posted:How likely is it that their threat would work? IANAL but I can't imagine that could possibly be a thing. If the city has cleared you on it, and you don't have an HOA saying else wise, putting up a fence is a pretty normal and expected thing to be allowed to do to your property. Besides that the previous owners knew, so it would have been up to them to disclose it to the buyers. Go bug them about it you feel you were misled about what you were buying.
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HookShot posted:I legitimately assumed The Keg was an American brand because of, well, literally everything about it It's so cute how Canadians continue to believe they're somehow better than Americans.
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TerminalSaint posted:It's so cute how Canadians continue to believe they're somehow better than Americans. I'm sorry I can't hear you over our single-payer healthcare and the lack of people being shot to death right now.
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We've two people shot to death (and others shot but survived) in Toronto in the last week, alas.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 02:38 |
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Is Drake from Toronto? He makes working ad the SDM there sound pretty tough.
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# ? Sep 21, 2017 02:41 |
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How popular is Godspeed You! Black emperor in Canada?
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Subjunctive posted:We've two people shot to death (and others shot but survived) in Toronto in the last week, alas. At least the ones who survived won't be bankrupted while recovering
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:How popular is Godspeed You! Black emperor in Canada? They are our most precious national music treasure.
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Rime posted:They are our most precious national music treasure. And as a result, are almost unknown outside of college campuses.
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Professor Shark posted:How likely is it that their threat would work? They'd probably be able to force the fence guy to waste a lot of time and money, but ultimately no chance, assuming the fence complies with local land use bylaws. If he says he talked to the city, then odds are it does. I have no idea what Vancouver's bylaws are, but it's usually just "don't build a 20 foot high fence".
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The fence laws are fairly straightforward in Vancouver. I think it's roughly four feet high for anything from the house to the street, six feet once you hit the setback. There are many houses around that don't comply.
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