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Gadzuko
Feb 14, 2005

Rangpur posted:

What's a good source of synthetic material? That seems to be the real sticking point when it comes to fabrication. I finally got the Q-Beam all the way upgraded but making the ammo is another story.

You can get more by recycling packaged foods. It's not a lot but it helps.

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GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
Psi water quest is great because it lets you turn most of the psi hypos you find into neuromods instead

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

Rangpur posted:

What's a good source of synthetic material? That seems to be the real sticking point when it comes to fabrication. I finally got the Q-Beam all the way upgraded but making the ammo is another story.

ask yourself how many spare parts and suit repair bits you really need at any given time

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

All of them. Every drat thing on this stupid space station is broken! God, I feel like I'm the only person on the janitorial staff with any work ethic.

Rangpur fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Sep 19, 2017

IMJack
Apr 16, 2003

Royalty is a continuous ripping and tearing motion.


Fun Shoe

Basic Chunnel posted:

ask yourself how many spare parts and suit repair bits you really need at any given time

When military operators start carving your suit up like a drat turkey? And the only effective counter to them is turning them against each other? Every single one.

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

IMJack posted:

When military operators start carving your suit up like a drat turkey? And the only effective counter to them is turning them against each other? Every single one.

Don't bother trying to make them fight each other. Use Machine Mind to stop them attacking you, then blow them up with the q-beam

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

No you hit them with your souped up stun gun til they lie helpless on the ground

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters
I never knew what I was hoarding all those emp grenades for. Then Kaspar showed up.

skeletronics
Jul 19, 2005
Man
I finally finished this last night. I got the I and Thou achievement, even though I wasn't expressly trying for it. I want to do No Needles and Split Affinity next, and I do not want to cheese the split affinity by just reloading a no needles save before the end. I want to actually play through with Typhon/Human only powers. But that's 3 more playthroughs. I have 39 hours on my first. I did take my time to read every note and email, and did a lot of exploring, so I'm sure subsequent ones will be a lot quicker. Like if I beeline the main quest and ignore side stuff, but the whole point of playing again is to see stuff I didn't the first time. So I don't know...we'll see how deep I get before moving on to something else. :shrug:

Anyway, great game. I loved it. Now, having never played a System Shock game, and having SS2 in my steam library, I want to give that a try. I read somewhere that there are some mods out there that make it more pleasant to play in a modern age. Anybody know what those might be?

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

I didn't find SS2 to be terribly clunky. SS1, yes, that put me off for years, even on the enhanced edition. SS2 you'll need to rebind some keys and it'll take a couple levels to get used to, but once you're beyond that it doesn't function terribly differently from a modern game.

GUI
Nov 5, 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3maCSQmSnY

:thunk:

Vakal
May 11, 2008

You just know someone had to have made a sex function Operator on Talos 1.

Dyz
Dec 10, 2010

skeletronics posted:

I finally finished this last night. I got the I and Thou achievement, even though I wasn't expressly trying for it. I want to do No Needles and Split Affinity next, and I do not want to cheese the split affinity by just reloading a no needles save before the end. I want to actually play through with Typhon/Human only powers. But that's 3 more playthroughs. I have 39 hours on my first. I did take my time to read every note and email, and did a lot of exploring, so I'm sure subsequent ones will be a lot quicker. Like if I beeline the main quest and ignore side stuff, but the whole point of playing again is to see stuff I didn't the first time. So I don't know...we'll see how deep I get before moving on to something else. :shrug:

Anyway, great game. I loved it. Now, having never played a System Shock game, and having SS2 in my steam library, I want to give that a try. I read somewhere that there are some mods out there that make it more pleasant to play in a modern age. Anybody know what those might be?

I ran the vanilla just fine, but the graphics are bad even for the time they came out, everyone's face is like half nose.

skeletronics
Jul 19, 2005
Man
I don't mind bad graphics at all. I'd just remembered for the 20 minutes I did try to play SS2, the controls being weird. As long as they're rebindable, I'll be happy, I'm sure.

Also, Typhon only run is going to be rough. No suit upgrades, plus not being able to repair the broken recyclers means I can't pick up every last piece of trash or food I see. I am enjoying it, though. Can't remember the last time I started a game over immediately after beating it. Usually I look at my backlog and uninstall.

skeletronics fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 21, 2017

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

skeletronics posted:

Also, Typhon only run is going to be rough. No suit upgrades, plus not being able to repair the broken recyclers means I can't pick up every last piece of trash or food I see. I am enjoying it, though. Can't remember the last time I started a game over immediately after beating it. Usually I look at my backlog and uninstall.

You'd be surprised how little inventory space you actually need when you realize you don't need most of those weapons or ammo, and you only need scrap that contributes to making more neuromods.

What really sucks is that you can't upgrade your goddamn psi stats since those are considered human upgrades!

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
SS2 worked fairly reasonably from what I recall. Although I still haven't finished it, it had nothing to do with controls.

Yeah what the hell was that thing. I came across it recently as well.

scuz
Aug 29, 2003

You can't be angry ALL the time!




Fun Shoe
Hi guys, just wanted to say that I bought this game cuz of this thread and I'm only ~6 hours in and can't wait to talk with y'all about the game and how awesome it is but I'm avoiding spoilers so I can't talk right now hope everyone's having a great time ok bye!

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

mobby_6kl posted:

SS2 worked fairly reasonably from what I recall. Although I still haven't finished it, it had nothing to do with controls.

Yeah what the hell was that thing. I came across it recently as well.

That's a recycler clipping through the ground.

Brother Tadger
Feb 15, 2012

I'm accidentally a suicide bomber!

This is a really good game. I'm very happy I didn't pass it over as I had originally planned.

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters

scuz posted:

Hi guys, just wanted to say that I bought this game cuz of this thread and I'm only ~6 hours in and can't wait to talk with y'all about the game and how awesome it is but I'm avoiding spoilers so I can't talk right now hope everyone's having a great time ok bye!

Have fun, don't let the mimics eat your favorite porn memories!

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es
I'm looking for something to fill the gap after this and dishonored. Does anyone have any opinions about Metro Redux, since it kinda seems to be a horror/shooter/rpg too?

Asbury
Mar 23, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!
Hair Elf

ladron posted:

I'm looking for something to fill the gap after this and dishonored. Does anyone have any opinions about Metro Redux, since it kinda seems to be a horror/shooter/rpg too?

Both metro games are very, very good.

Vakal
May 11, 2008
I wouldn't call Metro a RPG by any stretch. They are good games though.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

3Romeo posted:

Both metro games are very, very good.

Vakal posted:

I wouldn't call Metro a RPG by any stretch. They are good games though.



that'll do. superbowl to both your plumpy holes!

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

ladron posted:

I'm looking for something to fill the gap after this and dishonored. Does anyone have any opinions about Metro Redux, since it kinda seems to be a horror/shooter/rpg too?

Metro 2033/Last Light Redux are mostly linear post-apocalyptic shooters, not a whole lot in common with Prey beyond the perspective. They're not really scary (unless you're afraid of spiders) but they do have amazing atmosphere. 2033, even after the "redux," still carries a lot of the jank that the original release had but Last Light is the best Half-Life 3 you're going to playing until the next Metro game comes out. Playing 2033 first helps but you can get enough just by reading the Wikipedia entry and knowing that Last Light follows the "bad" ending. 2033 is still worth playing just be prepared to put up with some quirks.

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

STALKER is probably your best bet for horrorish shooter with RPG mechanics, which makes a lot of sense as key figures in the Metro dev team joined 4A after developing Shadow of Chernobyl.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

IMJack posted:

When military operators start carving your suit up like a drat turkey? And the only effective counter to them is turning them against each other? Every single one.

I mean I just gave up trying to keep it repaired at that point, they don't do much damage so it's easier to just stop repairing your suit and blast them then run to a medical operator.

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

I really wish the suit got better like your health and psi, because keeping it patched up really does become an afterthought especially when you're crashing around at 300hp. Gimme an upgrade tree that gives it a bigger bar, improved protection, anything.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Your Suit never getting upgraded and chips requiring neuromods to equip feels so clunky. Why isn't upgrading your suit and it's chip capacity its own thing?

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Bust Rodd posted:

Your Suit never getting upgraded and chips requiring neuromods to equip feels so clunky. Why isn't upgrading your suit and it's chip capacity its own thing?

I always figured that the suit related neuromods were teaching Morgan how to actually upgrade the suit.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.
I just chalked it up to the suit being a purely civilian application, since Alex very explicitly wanted zero military hardware on his station.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

I'm now at the point where I can choose to either destroy Talos I or use the prototype Nullwave to supposedly destroy the Typhon. I'm genuinely unsure which is the right call. Is it possible to let the escape shuttle depart and THEN wreck the place?

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Rangpur posted:

I'm now at the point where I can choose to either destroy Talos I or use the prototype Nullwave to supposedly destroy the Typhon. I'm genuinely unsure which is the right call. Is it possible to let the escape shuttle depart and THEN wreck the place?

talos 1 can be evacuated .

Dr Snofeld
Apr 30, 2009

Pharmaskittle posted:

I really wish the suit got better like your health and psi, because keeping it patched up really does become an afterthought especially when you're crashing around at 300hp. Gimme an upgrade tree that gives it a bigger bar, improved protection, anything.

I just wish the repair kits had a button on the quick select wheel like medkits and psi hypos so I wouldn't have to go into the inventory to repair every time.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

ladron posted:

I'm looking for something to fill the gap after this and dishonored. Does anyone have any opinions about Metro Redux, since it kinda seems to be a horror/shooter/rpg too?

Metro is great but it's a half life-esque atmospheric linear FPS instead of an 0451 kind of thing like prey

I haven't played redux but someone who did told me that its "survival" mode uses 2033's balance and its "spartan" mode uses last light's, which means 2033 is too easy on spartan and last light is too hard on survival because it wasn't balanced around that

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Digirat posted:

Metro is great but it's a half life-esque atmospheric linear FPS instead of an 0451 kind of thing like prey

I haven't played redux but someone who did told me that its "survival" mode uses 2033's balance and its "spartan" mode uses last light's, which means 2033 is too easy on spartan and last light is too hard on survival because it wasn't balanced around that

yeah, it's a little too gunfight gangbang for me so far, but it was like $30 for the both

IMJack
Apr 16, 2003

Royalty is a continuous ripping and tearing motion.


Fun Shoe

Rangpur posted:

I'm now at the point where I can choose to either destroy Talos I or use the prototype Nullwave to supposedly destroy the Typhon. I'm genuinely unsure which is the right call. Is it possible to let the escape shuttle depart and THEN wreck the place?

You have a few minutes after pushing the BOOM button before the actual BOOM, plenty of time for the shuttle to escape. I mean, what kind of space station doesn't include a helpful computer voice countdown with its self-destruct device?

IMJack fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Sep 24, 2017

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



How in the heck do you get your Phantom Genesis phantoms to follow you? I just made a phantom, went into a room, and barely won a fight because my phantom wasn't there with me. Lo and behold, the stupid thing refuses to step through a doorway. There isn't even a door there, it just won't step through the door-shaped hole in the wall. I would just go over there and physically push it through, except it is a Voltaic Phantom and the place it refuses to leave is the top of a metal staircase, which it is electrifying. Is there a way to call it, or should I just kill the drat thing?

EDIT: Okay, forget that, I just killed the thing. Let me describe what's happening now, because it really summarizes both of my biggest problems with the game. I have entered the crew quarters for the first time and there is a Nightmare in there. Okay, fine. I like a challenge. Here's the thing. First of all, whenever it kills me, I don't understand how. Did it shoot something at me? Did it stomp me? Did one of the mind controlled humans get me? I have no idea, because if I wasn't looking at the thing that killed me, there's no way of knowing. How hard would it be to have the game over screen say something like "GAME OVER: You were smashed flat by a Nightmare."

This is a recurring problem; I would say that I cannot fully explain more than 30% of my deaths so far. The reason this is such big issue is because I can't get better at not dying to things if I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Like, should I get the perk that reduces electricity damage? I don't know, because I'm not sure whether electric damage has killed me two times or ten times.

The other issue is that while I am fighting this thing, there is a man saying something. What is he saying, you ask? I do not know, and I will never know. I literally cannot make out his words above the sound of Nightmare noises and explosions, and I sure as hell can't read subtitles and fight at the same time. Once again, this wouldn't be very hard to fix. Just make it so that people don't talk to you until the monsters are dead!

I am very frustrated right now, and I'm sorry if that is coming through in the tone of my post. However, I feel like I need to put this out there because I haven't really heard anything negative about this game on the forums. Everything I've read says that it is a fantastic game, ten out of ten, a real hidden gem. It's not a bad game, of course. The systems are all very robust and polished. It's just that the gameplay experience as a whole can be frustrating in a way that I really don't think was intended.

Basically, I think that people who really like System Shock games are letting their enthusiasm for this one smooth over some of the rough edges.

Ariong fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Sep 24, 2017

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters
If he's in the same position he was for my playthrough, you should be be able to sneak along the wall just behind him, letting you focus on the nice dude who wants to chat. The Cafe Telepath can be defeated without alerting the nightmare.

I can't help you on phantom summoning, I don't hold truck with such evil.

e;whoops wrong tag im dumb.

vorebane fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Sep 25, 2017

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poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Despite some absolute fuckwit completely spoiling the ending in here, unmarked, I enjoyed how the game responded to my actions - even if the final bit felt a little rushed.

One question though, I knocked Dahl out after wiping out pretty much every single one of his operators along with Kaspar, but the security chief still bitched at me because "lots" of people got killed by them. Given every survivor except three were in the cargo bay with her that felt a little annoying...

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