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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:thats neat There have been some pushes to get rid of it, but it isn't a huge deal. It's only relevant if an employee contests their firing or a businesses contests an unemployment claim. As long as you have some documentation to show that it was a legitimate businesses need to fire them, then you're fine. Most businesses already keep a paper trail anyway.
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cochise posted:Nearly had a heartattack since my dad asked me to check his info on that site. Him and I have been following the situation and he was worried. He finally bugged me enough to use the equifax check site. It wasn't even an hour ago that I checked for him since he doesn't have a comp or any tech literacy. Luckily it wasn't the phishing site, but the address still caught me for a second. isn't the equifax check site still only there to trick people into waiving their right to sue? or do you have to sign up for the complimentary credit score protection to do that?
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:thats neat There are a lot of ways around this. Underperformance is really easy to prove: 1) Assign insane workload/workload employee isn't familiar with. 2) Wait for employee to get frustrated/fail. 3) Document. 4) Fire. In some cases you can just fire an employee for being late a certain number of times. Normally a business wouldn't care, but if you want to get rid of an employee, suddenly its a fireable offence.
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Condiv posted:isn't the equifax check site still only there to trick people into waiving their right to sue? No, they "clarified" that you are only subject to mandatory arbitration if you buy their premium identity fraud monitoring system.
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Jizz Festival posted:This isn't about statistical analysis, it's about how raising IQ (or in my example, training engineers) doesn't necessaeily change the composition of jobs that exist. Just because you train a bunch of engineers doesnt mean that more of the economy will be made up of higher paying enginewring jobs. In the same way, raising the IQ of children does not mean that a larger portion of jobs will be higher paying. You have literally no idea what you're talking about. Feel free to dig up some evidence that supports any of your idiot ideas (you won't find any), but until you do people are going to quote you and say "moron" over and over until you shut up.
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Mustached Demon posted:Shut up condiv. Shimrra Jamaane posted:Shut up Condiv.
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nah i think dems trying to have a bipartisan bill that slashes ppaca is a bad idea. it only helps the republicans pick ppaca apart, it doesn't defend obamacare at all
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:thats neat not really. the law doesn't require an employer to prove good cause, just reasonable belief of good cause. it's really hard to win a lawsuit under it, damages are limited by statute and can be as little as zero if the employer gets a comparable job, and there's basically no enforcement other than employees filing suit. also, it's montana. it has more bears than people.
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Lemming posted:You have literally no idea what you're talking about. Feel free to dig up some evidence that supports any of your idiot ideas (you won't find any), but until you do people are going to quote you and say "moron" over and over until you shut up. Lol "you're wrong you're just gonna have to trust me on this though because I can't actually explain why. I'm sure the answer is in some book somewhere."
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Pretend I posted a YouTube of all the times Wesley was told to shut up on Star trek except it's actually condiv. Shut up. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mustached Demon posted:Pretend I posted a YouTube of all the times Wesley was told to shut up on Star trek except it's actually condiv. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs
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Jizz Festival posted:Lol "you're wrong you're just gonna have to trust me on this though because I can't actually explain why. I'm sure the answer is in some book somewhere." People have explained it to you repeatedly and you quote them and say "I disagree, I think something I made up is going on instead"
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Mustached Demon posted:Pretend I posted a YouTube of all the times Wesley was told to shut up on Star trek except it's actually condiv. did you know the something awful forums have an ignore function? if you don't want to read my posts you can use it and save yourself some pain (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lemming posted:People have explained it to you repeatedly and you quote them and say "I disagree, I think something I made up is going on instead" Nope.
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I've been pretty specific about what my issue is with that i infographic and have gotten vague appeals to human capital as a response. Jazerus responded with how an increase in IQ could increase productivity, but that doesn't mecessarily change the composition of jobs so that there are more higher-paying, higher skill ones.
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Jizz Festival posted:I've been pretty specific about what my issue is with that i infographic and have gotten vague appeals to human capital as a response. Jazerus responded with how an increase in IQ could increase productivity, but that doesn't mecessarily change the composition of jobs so that there are more higher-paying, higher skill ones. It's because we all think you have a really low IQ and are tired of talking with you. Take the hint.
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Internet Explorer posted:It's because we all think you have a really low IQ and are tired of talking with you. Take the hint. Because you can't actually explain how I'm wrong because I'm not.
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Jizz Festival posted:Because you can't actually explain how I'm wrong because I'm not. Your conjectures were pulled out of your rear end and would require someone taking you step by step through basic economics and nobody wants to bother because you're not very smart. Again, feel free to post your actual hypothesis and some data or research backing it up. You aren't going to, so nobody's going to waste their time on you.
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Here's a vox article interviewing GOP senators about their idiotic repeal attemptsInhofe posted:Jeff Stein my senator is such a shitbag 
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Lemming posted:Your conjectures were pulled out of your rear end and would require someone taking you step by step through basic economics and nobody wants to bother because you're not very smart. I'd love to see the research showing that raising someone's IQ makes their job pay them more, rather than higher IQ people getting jobs that pay more. My hypothesis is that someone with a higher IQ makes more money because they're able to attain the skills necessary to compete for higher-paying jobs. Not a particularly wild hypothesis, in my opinion. If this is the case, raising the IQ levels of a generation of children will not becessarily result in higher-paying jobs for everyone because the composition of higher-paying jobs has not necessarily increased from the raising of IQ levels.
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Lemming posted:Your conjectures were pulled out of your rear end and would require someone taking you step by step through basic economics and nobody wants to bother because you're not very smart. He did. It was that the article didn't make sense.
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I feel repealing Obama care is the pragmatic solution to the problem of the markets collapsing from no federal help.
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Jizz Festival posted:Nope, not my argument at all. I was pointing out how wrong it is to use data on how IQ affects income as a way to calculate the return you would get from raising the IQ of future children. If there are 100,000 unfilled engineering positions, then yes it will almost exactly like that. But your narrow focus on "jobs" of one particular type is causing you to completely miss the point. If overall IQ/intelligence/productivity of a population increases, their economic output will increase. Economic output is not just "salaries from employment." Even taking your example, which is dumb and misses the point, lets say we train more people to have engineering skills than there are current open positions for engineers. Those people will find other work and be better at it because of the skills and training they have. I'm a lawyer and accountant by trade, but because I've been the youngest person in the small offices I've worked for, I've also done a lot of the IT around the office. I'm not "in an IT job" but having basic computer skills has allowed me to be better at the jobs I did have, which improved company performance and improved my pay. Let's put it another way. Imagine you take the economy we have now, then we immediately halve the IQ/intelligence/productivity of the population. Do you think that will decrease economic output?
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Jizz Festival posted:I'd love to see the research showing that raising someone's IQ makes their job pay them more, rather than higher IQ people getting jobs that pay more. This only works if you think that there is a finite limit on high-skill jobs, rather than jobs being a product of productivity of the economy.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Right To Work Is A Rip-Off according to two or three bumper stickers a day around here. afraid you've conflated two different problems there, friend democratic language that tests well includes things like "medicare for all" and "better wages." this is not a secret. they are part of the reason why the most popular politician in America is Bernie Sanders. unfortunately, the reason democrats will not use the language that focus tests well is because, unless committed to whole-heartedly, it actually reduces their chances of winning elections. see, if you're operating in a world where people vote for the person they've heard a good thing about most recently, the thing that decides elections is money. and it is a much more efficient moneymaking scheme to sell your vote to rich people than it is to ask a bunch of people for small donations. and it turns out, for some reason, the people in a position to hit the donation cap to a campaign get really skitchy about donating to people running on "I'm Going To Redistribute Your Money To Poor People." a half-assed embrace of these incredibly-popular-but-not-with-donors policies does nothing but reduce the amount of money you have to run on, and as in any discipline, faced with the choice between gambling everything and trying to conserve a slowly dwindling power base, pretty much everyone picks option 2. end result: the party that lost every level of the federal government to Donald Trump both knew and knows what messages test well with voters. and they will refuse to use them until such time as their hand is forced, because you don't make it to the top by being willing to gamble with your entire business model. systemic incentives: huuuuge pain in the rear end.
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Jizz Festival posted:My hypothesis is that someone with a higher IQ makes more money because they're able to attain the skills necessary to compete for higher-paying jobs. Not a particularly wild hypothesis, in my opinion. It's not wrong but it's also not complete. Someone with a higher IQ within a population will be more competitive for the best jobs in that population. Yes, great. But when a population has a higher IQ, the total economic output of that population will increase. It's not as though "jobs" is some number fixed by an outside source. The available employment opportunities are based on the economic output and activity of an area. Higher IQ employees will do better at work and their salaries will increase. Have you ever gotten a raise before? Often when you get a raise, it's because you've done a good job, and you might not have been able to do a good job if you were significantly dumber. If you've never gotten a raise before then, uh, well I've got some news for you. IQ is obviously a dumb stand in for intelligence, and all the normal criticisms of the IQ test apply. We're using it here as the best measurable stand in for intelligence at the moment.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Right To Work Is A Rip-Off according to two or three bumper stickers a day around here. we've had a few dems win in blood red states like oklahoma on messages like "more funding for public schools", "fight for workers' rights", "fight back against corporate influence", and "rehabilitation not incarceration". running to the left pulling in wins isn't as crazy as you're making it out to be
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my bony fealty posted:meh, we already have catastrophic care plans (I assume copper would be slightly better than those). 'wide waivers' is rather concerning. True, but I think there's a fair point that a lot of Democratic leaders have the mindset that they will win points with voters if they show themselves to be more willing to be bipartisan, when that's unfortunately not the case. Being the "adult in the room" doesn't seem to earn politicians extra credit at this moment in time.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Higher IQ employees will do better at work and their salaries will increase. Have you ever gotten a raise before? Often when you get a raise, it's because you've done a good job, and you might not have been able to do a good job if you were significantly dumber. If you've never gotten a raise before then, uh, well I've got some news for you. What's this centrist bullshit about how you get a raise if you do a good job? In America when productivity goes up 10%, the owner gets a raise and 10% of the workers get laid off. Also the guy who invented NCAA brackets was probably an egg head and I'm pretty sure he kills productivity almost as much as ol' Midge. PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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PerniciousKnid posted:What's this centrist bullshit about how you get a raise if you do a good job? In America when productivity goes up 10%, the owner gets a raise and 10% of the workers get laid off. Overall there are plenty of things to gently caress up wage growth but it doesn't mean intelligence isn't an upwards pressure.
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IQ is crap and not real and really something cognitive scientists actually use much anymore so stop talking about it.
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Lemming posted:Overall there are plenty of things to gently caress up wage growth but it doesn't mean intelligence isn't an upwards pressure. which for some reason hasn't functioned since 1980 weird
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PerniciousKnid posted:What's this centrist bullshit about how you get a raise if you do a good job? In America when productivity goes up 10%, the owner gets a raise and 10% of the workers get laid off. Just because you've never gotten a raise doesn't mean I'm a centrist.
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Lemming posted:it doesn't mean intelligence isn't an upwards pressure. It probably is, but probably not a large one.
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Ze Pollack posted:which for some reason hasn't functioned since 1980 I guess lead causes wage growth
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Hellblazer187 posted:Just because you've never gotten a raise doesn't mean I'm a centrist. tbh, i've never gotten a raise either. though i'm supposed to get one this year after working here for 3 years, so hopefully 
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The real benefit independent of IQ is you have a bunch more people working and contributing to the economy instead of rotting in jail or bouncing between social services due to lead-related behavioral issues
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