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Fortuitous Bumble posted:When companies tell you you can use any programming language in interviews or project submissions do they really mean it or do they expect you to pick something relatively common? I use Python and Java somewhat frequently at my current job but I do all my interesting side projects in Clojure so I think I could write that much faster under pressure. On the other hand I don't want to annoy interviewers too much. i used haskell for one of these and i didn't even receive a courtesy 'thanks but we've decided to go in a different direction' email
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the talent deficit posted:i used haskell for one of these and i didn't even receive a courtesy 'thanks but we've decided to go in a different direction' email One company sent me a "pre-screening" form once. Among various questions (some normal, some quite weird), there was this nugget: "What was the most esoteric programming language you ever used?". And I had no idea what to write since I've never used Brainfuck, nor Haskell (other than a hello world) and I don't think Go,Groovy,Scala qualify. Maybe FoxPro would? But I haven't touch that since 1995. They never called back, so I guess I wasn't cool enough for them. *Now that I think about it it may have not been "esoteric" as the exact word used, but some synonym. It's been a few years since then.
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Sep 20, 2017 19:21
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^^ that's the new dumbest question I've ever seen.
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Sep 20, 2017 19:24
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Volguus posted:One company sent me a "pre-screening" form once. Among various questions (some normal, some quite weird), there was this nugget: "What was the most esoteric programming language you ever used?". And I had no idea what to write since I've never used Brainfuck, nor Haskell (other than a hello world) and I don't think Go,Groovy,Scala qualify. Maybe FoxPro would? But I haven't touch that since 1995. They never called back, so I guess I wasn't cool enough for them. That could be an interesting weed out question if you put something dumb and common. Or they are weirdos huffing their own hipster coding
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Sep 20, 2017 19:25
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Shirec posted:That could be an interesting weed out question if you put something dumb and common. Or they are weirdos huffing their own hipster coding But then you're just punishing people for being honest...
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Sep 20, 2017 19:27
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Volguus posted:One company sent me a "pre-screening" form once. Among various questions (some normal, some quite weird), there was this nugget: "What was the most esoteric programming language you ever used?". And I had no idea what to write since I've never used Brainfuck, nor Haskell (other than a hello world) and I don't think Go,Groovy,Scala qualify. Maybe FoxPro would? But I haven't touch that since 1995. They never called back, so I guess I wasn't cool enough for them. "I like to use languages that aren't esoteric because I need to rely on Google and Stackoverflow for 90% of my work"
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Sep 20, 2017 19:28
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Snak posted:But then you're just punishing people for being honest... True true, I didn't think of that. I'm trying to be charitable of why they were putting that on there. Only other thing I can think of is them thinking it might be a good conversation starter
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Sep 20, 2017 19:28
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Or a Graybeard that wants to see someone use the same variety of a specific flavour of assembly that was only relevant for two years in the early 90s.
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Sep 20, 2017 19:28
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Shirec posted:True true, I didn't think of that. I'm trying to be charitable of why they were putting that on there. Only other thing I can think of is them thinking it might be a good conversation starter I mean, I think it is a good conversation starter. I think it's probably a fine question as long it's not being used as screening, but as the pretense for an in-person interview question. "We saw that you put X as your most esoteric language, why do you consider it esoteric?" or "You didn't answer this question, is that because you feel you haven't worked with any esoteric languages? What is it about the languages you've worked in that make them not esoteric?" I feel like an applicants answers to those questions could you a lot about their thought process. But I don't know what I'm talking about, so...
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Sep 20, 2017 19:33
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how long should I wait to reach out after an initial phone screen? I'm getting anxious over here!
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Sep 20, 2017 20:39
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Grump posted:how long should I wait to reach out after an initial phone screen? I'm getting anxious over here! If they gave you a time frame during the phone screen, then whenever that is. If not, a few days (and ask what their time frame is in your follow up email as well as asking for a status update).
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Sep 20, 2017 21:00
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Volguus posted:One company sent me a "pre-screening" form once. Among various questions (some normal, some quite weird), there was this nugget: "What was the most esoteric programming language you ever used?". Mine would be 'the one I invented myself, here's the GitHub url for the compiler' 
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Sep 20, 2017 21:22
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:When companies tell you you can use any programming language in interviews or project submissions do they really mean it or do they expect you to pick something relatively common? I use Python and Java somewhat frequently at my current job but I do all my interesting side projects in Clojure so I think I could write that much faster under pressure. On the other hand I don't want to annoy interviewers too much. Picking an unfamiliar language increases the difficulty. I once did an interview in Erlang to someone who only knew Java. My code was awesome and the interviewer and I really clicked, and I was able to explain a couple of the interesting language features on the fly and the whole thing was great. On the other hand, I did an interview in Python and made a few errors (things where if I was the interviewer I'd say "oh, I see what you're going for. Let's not worry about that.") but they didn't know any Python and so all they saw was that I was failing. Also you have to watch their face when you name your language. That way, if you say "Clojure" and they look puzzled or roll their eyes you can be like, "ha ha, I meant Java".
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Sep 20, 2017 21:47
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feedmegin posted:Mine would be 'the one I invented myself, here's the GitHub url for the compiler' Heh, ya know what, that's a great idea, I should write one too. Been 20 years since last i wrote a pascal-like compiler, and 5 or so since I messed with antlr or bison generated parsers. As a lovely fun personal project it just may work. And make it run on an esoteric architecture (which I'll invent) and run it in qemu only until it catches on and it'll become more popular than ARM itself. Yeah, that should do it.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:57
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How long is to long to hand in a programming challenge? I got an email 11 days ago asking to make an app there was no time limit discussed. I sent the finished project today. I'm just wondering if it would be too late.
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Sep 21, 2017 00:49
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Well, if they answer, it wasn't too late.
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Sep 21, 2017 00:51
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NinetySevenA posted:How long is to long to hand in a programming challenge? I guess that about half the people they send the challenge don't reply at all. So you are absolutely ahead of the pack.
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Sep 21, 2017 07:58
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:When companies tell you you can use any programming language in interviews or project submissions do they really mean it or do they expect you to pick something relatively common? I use Python and Java somewhat frequently at my current job but I do all my interesting side projects in Clojure so I think I could write that much faster under pressure. On the other hand I don't want to annoy interviewers too much. I interviewed candidates at my last job, so as a slightly different data point, I actually do prefer letting candidates code in whatever they were most comfortable in, as long as it's generally decipherable to someone with a C/Java-like background. I graded candidates by comparing them to other candidates on the same problem -- poor candidates need a lot of hand-holding to get through X, great candidates think of Y and also do Z. Letting candidates choose their languages levels the playing field, so I'd get a clearer overall signal. For instance, I've let candidates use Objective-C despite never having worked with it in my life, though I was upfront in letting them know that I myself was not familiar with the language. That said, Clojure's kiiiinda pushing the boundaries on 'decipherable', though it's also very dependent on the question given to you. My interview question is a simple functional recursion problem, just to gauge how comfortable they are with thinking recursively. If I were interviewing you, I'd personally let you use Clojure because at least the resulting code would be structurally similar. If it were a design question -- especially one meant to test OO or something -- then Clojure would be inappropriate (and probably wouldn't make sense anyway). As a side note, one of my coworkers used a (I think also recursion) question that'd be a little hairier (though still not too bad) in Java, but trivially easy in Python because Python natively lets you return tuples. I forget the details, but yeah. Just keep in mind that language choice may change the nature of the interview problem itself, that's all.
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Sep 21, 2017 13:09
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fantastic in plastic posted:If they gave you a time frame during the phone screen, then whenever that is. If not, a few days (and ask what their time frame is in your follow up email as well as asking for a status update). Yeah no time frame was given, but it's been a week so I'll probably shoot over an email today edit: Just got an email back. Didn't even get passed the phone screen. God that's depressing teen phone cutie fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Sep 21, 2017 16:04
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Double post. I just updated my resume. Would anyone mind taking a look? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzk6dpbjvYzBNEx4X0RWVXBURlE/view?usp=sharing teen phone cutie fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Sep 21, 2017 19:58
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Grump posted:Double post. I just updated my resume. Would anyone mind taking a look? Web Experience -> Professional Experience Personal Web Projects -> Personal Projects Delete "Each entry stores a contact’s name, phone number, email address, and home address.", people know what a contact book is. "Developed under the Underscores starter theme" is awkwardly phrased.
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Sep 21, 2017 23:14
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Grump posted:Double post. I just updated my resume. Would anyone mind taking a look? I'd personally put your skills first, but I don't know how the rest of the thread feels about that. Your descriptions cover important ground but all of them feel too wordy. Can you break them out more? It needs to be really easy to skim
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Sep 21, 2017 23:50
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I'd highlight the skills first as well. Wrote a "hello world" in BrainFuck? Goes in there. CSS, HTML, javascript, whatever: expert in. Touched a Mac once? "Demonstrated ability to manage ..." One-two pages resumes are the best if you can keep them that short (I have 20 years experience in the industry, gently caress you, my resume is 5 pages long and I won't delete a thing. skills at the top though since nobody reads more than 5 lines).
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Sep 22, 2017 00:01
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b0lt posted:Web Experience -> Professional Experience What's the reasoning behind this? I thought it was better to include more key words on a resume.
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Sep 22, 2017 13:27
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Grump posted:What's the reasoning behind this? I thought it was better to include more key words on a resume. You want enough keywords to get past HR screens, not so much it looks like a Google bomb.
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Sep 22, 2017 16:25
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Don't include skills you don't wanna get offers for, though. If it's something you really didn't enjoy working with and want to avoid, leave it off.
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Sep 22, 2017 17:20
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Just got rejected for the first time for having gone to a boot camp.  Bound to have happened sooner or later. Oh well, their loss. Wonder if I should leave it off my resume, though.
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Sep 22, 2017 18:02
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I've had a pretty solid run of well-designed coding challenges, which is great. I also thought it would be okay to go to an interview while sleep deprived, which it is not! Please learn from my mistake instead of making that judgement call while sleep deprived.
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Sep 22, 2017 18:24
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Pollyanna posted:Just got rejected for the first time for having gone to a boot camp. Are you two people?
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Sep 22, 2017 18:25
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Che Delilas posted:Are you two people? No?
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Sep 22, 2017 18:42
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They really went, "She went to a boot camp? Pass!"? That's impressively dumb. Who cares where you get the knowledge, as long as you have it?
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Sep 22, 2017 19:07
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Their response was something along the lines of "although your experience for the past few years has been great, the company said they're not hiring candidates coming out of boot camps for their positions, so I suggest looking for companies that are and applying directly to them.  "smiley face not my addition My boot camp experience is right on my resume, so if it took this long for them to realize it's a problem, that reflects quite badly on the recruiters as well. But what else is new? For a little bit I was annoyed enough to tell the recruiter it was disappointing, but now I'm just happy I can focus on the weekend.
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Sep 22, 2017 20:22
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That place must suck crazy hard then cause I've never heard of that mattering past the first job. Like why care at this point? I don't know what other people's opinions are about taking it off your resume. I'm a fellow bootcamp goer, so I lean towards keeping it on.
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Sep 22, 2017 20:27
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I omitted it from mine and describe myself as self-taught if anyone asks. There's no one who looks at a resume and says "Oh cool, a bootcamper! Let's prioritize them!" but there are some people who look at a resume and say "Oh yuck, a bootcamper! No way!".
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Sep 22, 2017 20:33
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Skandranon posted:You want enough keywords to get past HR screens, not so much it looks like a Google bomb. Also a "web developer" makes ~25% less than a "software engineer". Dropping "web" everywhere probably hurts you.
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Sep 22, 2017 20:51
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KernelSlanders posted:Also a "web developer" makes ~25% less than a "software engineer". Dropping "web" everywhere probably hurts you. Unless you're writing "Web Scale"!
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KernelSlanders posted:Also a "web developer" makes ~25% less than a "software engineer". Dropping "web" everywhere probably hurts you. how kosher would it be to just change your job title from Web Developer to Front-end engineer?
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Sep 22, 2017 21:34
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Grump posted:how kosher would it be to just change your job title from Web Developer to Front-end engineer? Maybe. Front end engineer implies just HTML+CSS+JavaScript. Web developer implies a at least a little of everything in the LAMP stack.
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Sep 22, 2017 21:49
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lifg posted:Maybe. Front end engineer implies just HTML+CSS+JavaScript. Web developer implies a at least a little of everything in the LAMP stack. Hopefully not much of the A and P in the year 2017, though.
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Steve French posted:Hopefully not much of the A and P in the year 2017, though. ur rite, A&P shut down in 2015
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