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SourKraut posted:Thunderbolt 3 PCIe cards are available for $50? Well, $60, but yes.
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DrDork posted:Well, $60, but yes. That requires a thunderbolt header and only works with specific expensive ASUS boards. It's not a general solution.
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As far as I know there's no drop-in You Have Thunderbolt Now card yet. Grain of salt or six, but if these are true I'm somewhere between disappointed and anxious. Disappointed because I was sort of holding out for "7700K, with another half a die", but anxious because I want to see what happens to the market. I'm hoping to pick up a used 7700K at a decent price, basically.
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That's way lower than the previously leaked benchmarks. Guess we will have to wait and see.
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I'm taking this with the highest peak of salt imaginable. What the hell happened to Intel's IPC advantage in those benchmarks? Edit: and if those benchmarks are accurate, all the more reason to hold onto my oc'd 2500K rig until it goes kaput.
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SourKraut posted:Thunderbolt 3 PCIe cards are available for $50? You cant just plug a thunderbolt card into a motherboard. The MB has to support it.
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I suspect the undelidded throttling problem already on the 7700k is even worse on the 8700k hence the terrible bench
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BurritoJustice posted:That requires a thunderbolt header and only works with specific expensive ASUS boards. It's not a general solution. I do happen to have both a asus tb3 card and an inexpensive motherboard(z170a). The same card is supported on the z270a prime which is the cheapest or so option for their z270 catalog. I expect the upcoming z370a prime to do the same.
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Is Z370 going to increase the size of the DMA bus to the chipset, or is it still "24 lanes" all going through a single 3.0x4 link?
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Paul MaudDib posted:Is Z370 going to increase the size of the DMA bus to the chipset, or is it still "24 lanes" all going through a single 3.0x4 link? Last I was aware, the Z370 is basically a rebranded Z270 with some very minor upgrades, so I don't think anything as substantial as the DMI link is changing.
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I very much doubt that we'll ever see more than an x4 link between chipset and CPU. There's very little reason to want it, except for wanting to plug in higher bandwidth devices, which generally just call for CPU lanes. In my ideal world, Icelake will come out with PCIe 4 (+ DMI 4, improving bandwidth to chipset) and 20 CPU lanes on the consumer boards (GPU + NVMe), and I'll squeal with delight. Who the hell knows what will happen, though, everybody's mum about a time frame for improving this stuff. I'm not sure if I'm a weirdo for wanting improved IO, or if they're just blind to the demand for it. I guess NVMe has kinda splashed onto the stage pretty quick, but hell, AMD saw the demand for 20 CPU lanes because of it already, right?
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I want improved Io because then manufacturers will create storage devices to use it. I know, small files and optane etc.
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With multi-gpu dead and NVME raid still not a thing (not that its in the realm of reason anyway with current prices), I really dunno what i would use more I/O for. As it stands, the only chipset PCIe lanes I'm using or plan to use are 4x for an NVME drive and the integrated USB 3.1 Gen 2 on the motherboard that I think is hanging off a 1x. In a workstation world, maybe you would want multi gpus for deep learning or higher end NICs (infiband, 40gbe etc) or somethin, but on the consumer side there isn't much use for a bunch of lanes. Cygni fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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VCZ: Intel Z390 to support 8C/16T CPUs in H2 2018
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Considering even an arm soc can have 4k die pads, I don't think intel has much room to add more lanes without increasing the die size, especially considering an x86 processor sucks up magnitudes more power.
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So basically Intel Threadripper?
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blowfish posted:So basically Intel Threadripper? maybe, ifs it going up against the 1900.
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lmao if they paste it or it isn't just a xeon e3
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They're already pasting the 18 core models, 8 cores is no question for pasting.
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God drat i really wish they would stop loving pasteing
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Scarecow posted:God drat i really wish they would stop loving pasteing But what about the $0.50/unit cost
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Think of the indium
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Tab8715 posted:When's the expected release of all the new boards and desktop Coffee Lake? Oct 5th.
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Don Lapre posted:Oct 5th. drat. New PC next month!
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Tab8715 posted:drat. New PC next month! Just be aware that a few hundred thousand to a million-plus people are thinking this same thing - you might want to be on the lookout for pre-order bundles of CPU+Motherboard.
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Well, I’ll do what I’m able. Any preference on motherboards?
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Tab8715 posted:Well, I’ll do what I’m able. Any preference on motherboards?
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Intel reportedly pushing Cannon Lake to end of 2018 Intel's NUC roadmap leaked, it includes a pair of Skull Canyon refreshes with discrete graphics codenamed "Hades Canyon" and "Hades Canyon VR", the latter with a 4C8T K-series desktop processor at 100W.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Intel reportedly pushing Cannon Lake to end of 2018 I wonder how much of this is "10nm is hard" and how much is, "Oh poo poo, we actually have to do something about Threadripper."
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Gyrotica posted:I wonder how much of this is "10nm is hard" and how much is, "Oh poo poo, we actually have to do something about Threadripper." threadripper? probably not. raven ridge yes. epyc double yes
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Gyrotica posted:I wonder how much of this is "10nm is hard" and how much is, "Oh poo poo, we actually have to do something about Threadripper." Give me '10nm is hard'!!! also: i wonder if that dgpu nuc is the rumored licensing by intel of radeon stuff? Watermelon Daiquiri fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Give me '10nm is hard'!!! 10nm is a rat bastard because you need EUV to get the critical logic layers and parts of the cache down in size and therefore down in cost. The fab manufacturing companies just released a commercially viable litho system for 10nm. Also keep in mind that a modern chip with the dual or quad multipatterning layers takes between 4 and 6 months from the day the wafers show up to the day the finished chips go in a bin.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:10nm is a rat bastard because you need EUV to get the critical logic layers and parts of the cache down in size and therefore down in cost. The fab manufacturing companies just released a commercially viable litho system for 10nm. quad i wouldn't doubt, but dual patterned stuff like 14nm can be done within 70 days if they scoot their asses lol However for engineering wafers, they frequently do tests of each sub process alone so they don't have to wait months to find out that the mandrell mask has a defect lol
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Black Hat '17: How to Hack a Turned-Off Computer, or Running Unsigned Code in Intel Management Engine yikes
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repiv posted:Black Hat '17: How to Hack a Turned-Off Computer, or Running Unsigned Code in Intel Management Engine What I want to know is whether this is a legitimate "oops" vulnerability or something Intel put in both officially and intentionally for the NSA and GCHQ to exploit, and it's just a matter of time before such things are found by the public, or it's being revealed piecemeal from sources like Snowden's trove, etc. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Give me '10nm is hard'!!! That's what she said.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:What I want to know is whether this is a legitimate "oops" vulnerability or something Intel put in both officially and intentionally for the NSA and GCHQ to exploit, and it's just a matter of time before such things are found by the public, or it's being revealed piecemeal from sources like Snowden's trove, etc.
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