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shrike82 posted:We don’t know how to write good software period. Lazy programming because lol just buy 32gb ram you loving nerd.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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The government going to Silicon Valley to create a “digital taskforce” to salvage the initial launch of the healthcare.gov was pretty funny tho.
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shrike82 posted:The government going to Silicon Valley to create a “digital taskforce” to salvage the initial launch of the healthcare.gov was pretty funny tho. The government should learn that feature creep is bad and wrong. See: every major procurement program within the last three administrations. loving appoint some head honcho who can put his foot down and point out the thing is designed for future extensions so if your special snowflake feature is that important hire someone to implement it after the main system is delivered.
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fishmech posted:Trillions of dollars and manhours have been spent to prove good business software is impossible.
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blowfish posted:The government should learn that feature creep is bad and wrong. See: every major procurement program within the last three administrations. Sounds like a good way to kill yourself politically, if you're the head honcho.
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baquerd posted:Sounds like a good way to kill yourself politically, if you're the head honcho. Well just make it an appointed civil service position with good pay and retirement benefits. Better to overpay one person than every contractor ever.
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Sep 20, 2017 12:19
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https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/910353206210961408
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Sundae posted:Imagine that you're going into the office on Monday and pitching this new piece of software to your existing enterprise-scale organization. It'll be so much better than what you're currently doing; all you have to do is manage the transition of your systems from SAP to the new software. The company likes the idea, and then they tell you that it'll be your task to lead the transition project.
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A big part of the challenges with business software are the endless special requirements and customizations everyone insists on to support their insane business processes. Cloud solutions aren't completely immune to this but the transition from on-prem should definitely help there.
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Sep 20, 2017 13:09
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blowfish posted:Well just make it an appointed civil service position with good pay and retirement benefits. That is exceedingly unAmerican.
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blowfish posted:Lazy programming because lol just buy 32gb ram you loving nerd. It's very hard to justify the investment to write 3 separate native apps for Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You wouldn't believe how many millions of dollars of work it takes to make those crappy Electron apps that have been mentioned, and then imagine tripling that to write native clients. Electron is a lifesaver.
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Sep 20, 2017 13:55
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Water is just really diluted juice
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Sep 20, 2017 14:00
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If you drink enough water and don't die from your heart stopping, you can also give yourself permanent paralysis.
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Sep 20, 2017 14:06
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It's getting slightly better because of Microsoft. Back when companies were connecting their internal networks to the Web for the first time, they built their internal web portals with early versions of IE in mind, IE6 in particular. Companies would hire consultants to build internal apps that worked exclusively with IE6, have the consultants leave when they were done, and refuse to upgrade when new versions of IE broke the apps. It was a major headache as Microsoft had to drag these huge companies kicking and screaming to upgrade when they finally cut support. A few years later, they noticed the same companies were doing the same thing with Windows 7 and IE9, using them as a standard long after most consumers have moved on. Microsoft basically put their foot down and said they would only support the latest version of IE that a particular OS would run, cutting years off of the IE9 support timeline for everything more modern than Windows Vista. Since then, companies have been forced to maintain their legacy web applications if they wanted security patches, which has made them slightly better as the people building the software know they will have to maintain it.
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Sep 20, 2017 14:11
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Twerk from Home posted:It's very hard to justify the investment to write 3 separate native apps for Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You wouldn't believe how many millions of dollars of work it takes to make those crappy Electron apps that have been mentioned, and then imagine tripling that to write native clients. That's still no justification for using Electron/Atom/webkit instead of any other rendering engine in a wrapper. The slack browser based app already runs in Firefox's Gecko, IE's Trident, Edge's whatever that engine is called, even Safari's more traditional variant of webkit.
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mobby_6kl posted:A big part of the challenges with business software are the endless special requirements and customizations everyone insists on to support their insane business processes. Cloud solutions aren't completely immune to this but the transition from on-prem should definitely help there. I was at a company (fortune 500) that was bike shedding the poo poo out of a move to off prem workday. Hr and other people had all these special snowflake things that workday said they wouldn't do and that the software covered their concerns already. Eventually the CIO (backed by hr head) just told everyone that we're moving to workday, they won't implement your super special one off and to just figure out how to use the new system. There was lots of gnashing of teeth but the moved over and the company is fine two years later.
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Sep 20, 2017 15:03
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uh a "five day water cleanse" is just a fast
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Twerk from Home posted:It's very hard to justify the investment to write 3 separate native apps for Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You wouldn't believe how many millions of dollars of work it takes to make those crappy Electron apps that have been mentioned, and then imagine tripling that to write native clients. Why make one good app, when you can have three lousy ones! It's a particularly egregious thing because so many of these lovely electron apps are not particularly complicated. Slack is a glorified IRC client. All the clever stuff is on their servers in the cloud. Or a text editor that takes gigs of memory (whatever) but more importantly has perceptible delays in UI or event responsiveness. A text editor! It's replicating the features of software from the 1980s, but worse! Trying out Atom was what finally convinced me to send the Sublime Text guy $70, despite ST being very nice about working forever in trail mode and only popping up a nag like 1 in 5 sessions.
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boner confessor posted:uh a "five day water cleanse" is just a fast Konstantin posted:It's getting slightly better because of Microsoft. They were literally shipping Win 7 machines with an XP Virtualizer so that people could use the danged information and book records system. Rather than push a gradual move, they launched an underbaked system that was so broken it probably resulted in a lawsuit or two. I can only imagine what it's like at the federal level. Or in banking.
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Been getting promoted Facebook and Twitter posts for this website:  
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Twerk from Home posted:It's very hard to justify the investment to write 3 separate native apps for Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You wouldn't believe how many millions of dollars of work it takes to make those crappy Electron apps that have been mentioned, and then imagine tripling that to write native clients. You need native clients anyway for platforms like iOS, just support iOS and macOS and don't worry about the rest.
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Sep 21, 2017 06:30
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Whooping Crabs posted:Water is just really diluted juice Homeopathic juice!
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Sep 21, 2017 06:30
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FilthyImp posted:What the gently caress is Raw Spring Water? Jesus christ almighty.
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eschaton posted:Homeopathic juice! My purity of essence ~~~
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Twerk from Home posted:It's very hard to justify the investment to write 3 separate native apps for Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You wouldn't believe how many millions of dollars of work it takes to make those crappy Electron apps that have been mentioned, and then imagine tripling that to write native clients. should just use a jvm language instead of packaging a chrome instance with your app works p well for me and doesn't gobble up as much ram as electron plus you're not forced to write in a dynamically typed garbage language like javascript 
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Condiv posted:should just use a jvm language instead of packaging a chrome instance with your app Lots of people love JavaScript and only want to write in it (maybe Python too). That goes for iOS and Android via React Native UIs.
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Analytic Engine posted:Lots of people love JavaScript and only want to write in it (maybe Python too). That goes for iOS and Android via React Native UIs. yeah, sick people with diseased brains javascript is a nightmare, but if you wanted to bad enough you could still write javascript targeting the jvm thanks to the jvm having a js engine built in. iirc, said engine should be capable of allowing javascript to call java code if you allow it to, allowing you to do all the ui and network and disk based stuff you want to do right from javascript i just dunno why you would when you have superior scripting languages on the jvm like groovy, superior dynamically typed languages like clojure, and awesome languages like scala that all target the jvm Condiv fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Condiv posted:should just use a jvm language instead of packaging a chrome instance with your app
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mobby_6kl posted:Still garbage. Write once in C, then just compile for each platform. isn't the best option for c for cross platform ui gtk+?  and why would you use C over rust? rust has a better type system, better language design, etc.
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Condiv posted:i just dunno why you would when you have superior scripting languages on the jvm like groovy, superior dynamically typed languages like clojure, and awesome languages like scala that all target the jvm
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Condiv posted:yeah, sick people with diseased brains Have you considered the possibility that you suck at JavaScript?
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Analytic Engine posted:Have you considered the possibility that you suck at JavaScript? certainly! just like how i suck at php. the fact I suck at them doesn't change the fact they were both poorly designed, and really aren't worth your time if you have better tools at your disposal  i'm sure people could become experts at using the above hammer to drive nails, but that doesn't change the fact it's poorly suited for the task Condiv fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Condiv posted:certainly! just like how i suck at php. the fact I suck at them doesn't change the fact they were both poorly designed, and really aren't worth your time if you have better tools at your disposal They sure can be worth your time if you are getting paid for it, and there a lot of PHP and javascript jobs out there
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Elias_Maluco posted:They sure can be worth your time if you are getting paid for it, and there a lot of PHP and javascript jobs out there that falls under quote:aren't worth your time if you have better tools at your disposal if your boss demands you use tool X to get the job done, tool Y is not really at your disposal is it?
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blowfish posted:
It means he identifies with the KKK
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blowfish posted:
He's a radical centrist. Seriously.
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With all of the scandals that have been happening in the past year, I'm kind of surprised so many of my classmates applied to Uber at my college's job fair. No, I shouldn't be surprised, should I?
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Shugojin posted:It means he identifies with the KKK yeah but i didn't realise a key component of kkk membership would be playing d&d/posting in d&d (not sure which)???
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