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MizPiz posted:The Democrats (or really their supporters) Yeah the Senate Dems tweet about how "Americans have spoken about the need for a bipartisan solution on health care" got flooded with "who the hell asked for bipartisanship? Do something!". e:dogtax 
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MizPiz posted:This is why the Democrats deserves to be destroyed; they need to constantly be pressured to do anything half-way decent and will blame the people who voted for them for not going to enough fundraising dinners when they don't. Can you wait for the republicans to implode and for our legislative structure to become parliamentarian before blowing up the dems, please?
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Sep 21, 2017 13:51
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MizPiz posted:The Democrats (or really their supporters) How are Democratic voters losing anything? No compromise is actually a serious legislative proposal, and the Democratic leadership taking the initiative presumably to peel off more moderate Republicans from their very real bill. So the Democratic leadership is impeding their enemy at no cost to themselves. The Democrats are the minority. They do not have any power available to them to stop reconciliation measures other than persuasion. Edit: If posters here were to put themselves into the shoes of a Republican who wanted the repeal of Obamacare, would they look at the compromise being dangled by Schumer as getting what they wanted, or would they see Senators like John McCain getting tricked by a bad-faith negotiation? Democrazy fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Sep 21, 2017 13:56
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Democrazy posted:How are Democratic voters losing anything? No compromise is actually a serious legislative proposal, and the Democratic leadership taking the initiative presumably to peel off more moderate Republicans from their very real bill. So the Democratic leadership is impeding their enemy at no cost to themselves. That's complete bullshit. There's plenty the Dems can do to regain trust from their base and halt legislation, especially through the use of direct action. The Dems just want to keep getting their donor dollars and pats on the head from the Republicans. Chilichimp posted:Can you wait for the republicans to implode and for our legislative structure to become parliamentarian before blowing up the dems, please? No, when the Republicans go, they're taking the world with them. The Dems are getting in the way of creating a real opposition for this, making them the more immediate priority.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:10
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MizPiz posted:That's complete bullshit. There's plenty the Dems can do to regain trust from their base and halt legislation, especially through the use of direct action. The Dems just want to keep getting their donor dollars and pats on the head from the Republicans. What would you do?
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Sep 21, 2017 14:12
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Did someone send an alert to the Dems are a waste thread that USPOL was open and needed to be poo poo on?
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Sep 21, 2017 14:14
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Democrazy posted:What would you do? For starters, propose legislation that show my actual convictions. It doesn't matter if it doesn't actually pass, people just want proof you'll fight for something and aren't just waiting for your invitation to the high class pedo-orgies.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:24
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If legislation is proposed but doesn't actually get any coverage, does it really even exist?Boon posted:Did someone send an alert to the Dems are a waste thread that USPOL was open and needed to be poo poo on? That BatSignal is always left on.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:25
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MizPiz posted:For starters, propose legislation that show my actual convictions. It doesn't matter if it doesn't actually pass, people just want proof you'll fight for something and aren't just waiting for your invitation to the high class pedo-orgies. I also support having a conversation (since I doubt there is complete agreement) on crafting a healthcare bill that has the support of the full caucus, but how does that stop Graham-Cassidy, which is expected to be voted on next week?
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Sep 21, 2017 14:27
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MizPiz posted:
What? No. That's faulty rear end logic. Destroying the Democratic Party isn't the answer. Pressuring them, pushing them toward our needs, and replacing them with increasingly leftist members is gonna serve your cause way better. The highest priority is organizing a positive force - coming up with the answer that rallies people. And the answers are gaining momentum. Now it's up to us to set those people into motion. Like, just yelling "gently caress these people" isn't gonna do poo poo. You don't build up your ally, you don't defeat your enemy, you just sit there and bitch. gently caress that, and gently caress you if that's your only action. Get in the god damned trench and fight for what you are, not for what someone else isn't.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:30
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Your Boy Fancy posted:What? No. That's faulty rear end logic. As far as establishment Democrats and their sycopants are concerned, there's no difference. Any criticism is 'destroying the party' and enabling Trump. They don't want leftists to gain power and they don't want to take a cent less from their donors.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:35
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Democrazy posted:I also support having a conversation (since I doubt there is complete agreement) on crafting a healthcare bill that has the support of the full caucus, but how does that stop Graham-Cassidy, which is expected to be voted on next week? Coordinate with protestors to disrupt the meetings surrounding it and take over the floor when it comes to a vote. If the Dems actually saw Trump and the Republicans as the force of destruction everyone else does, they'd do everything they could to make the government nonfunctional.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:39
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Inescapable Duck posted:As far as establishment Democrats and their sycopants are concerned, there's no difference. Any criticism is 'destroying the party' and enabling Trump. They don't want leftists to gain power and they don't want to take a cent less from their donors. Glad you didn't read the point. Replace them. Vote them out. You do that on the state and county level. Man, you should SEE the candidates in the VA House of Delegates this year. Union members, Latinx, my personal favorite of the trans woman against a Republican caricature. There seems to be this fundamental misunderstanding that candidates for the House appear out of nowhere. Even the Tea Party came from something. The Dems have no bench. So stock the loving bench.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:44
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Glad you didn't read the point. Replace them. Vote them out. You do that on the state and county level. Man, you should SEE the candidates in the VA House of Delegates this year. Union members, Latinx, my personal favorite of the trans woman against a Republican caricature. Trade some veterans away to build up the farm system. Maybe we draft a few promising rookies in the spring and they make a BIG impact come fall.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:49
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MizPiz posted:Coordinate with protestors to disrupt the meetings surrounding it and take over the floor when it comes to a vote. If the Dems actually saw Trump and the Republicans as the force of destruction everyone else does, they'd do everything they could to make the government nonfunctional. Once the Capitol Police escort them out of the building, then what? They have no procedural means of stopping this vote if Republicans really want it, they only have a (laughably ineffective) physical means.
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Sep 21, 2017 14:51
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Seems leftists can destroy the democrats by just... leaving the party and not voting. Go for it, you guys, I'm sure the fascist necrostate the Republican set-up will further the goals of the left real hard even while they're characterizing your protests as hate-speech and sending in the robots to blow you away for holding a "Feel the Bern" sign. Democrazy posted:Once the Capitol Police escort them out of the building, then what? They have no procedural means of stopping this vote if Republicans really want it, they only have a (laughably ineffective) physical means. Easy, Revolution!
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Sep 21, 2017 14:52
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Chilichimp posted:Seems leftists can destroy the democrats by just... leaving the party and not voting. lol you lot need us, given how badly you lose on your own the inverse is not true
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Sep 21, 2017 15:00
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Chilichimp posted:Trade some veterans away to build up the farm system. Maybe we draft a few promising rookies in the spring and they make a BIG impact come fall. The Democrats are basically the NFL drafting from DII schools. Our state-level apparati are a mess and it does affect recruitment of quality candidates for higher office when we don't have a large bench to work from.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:03
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol you lot need us, given how badly you lose on your own the inverse is not true That was my point. My further snark was to imply that "we need each other" but I mean, sure we can ignore what the conservative republicans want our country to look like, and what it fuckin' will look like without an opposition. also, "you lot?" gently caress you, I voted for Bernie.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:04
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Democrazy posted:Once the Capitol Police escort them out of the building, then what? They have no procedural means of stopping this vote if Republicans really want it, they only have a (laughably ineffective) physical means. wow. being televised doing everything in their power to stop republicans from destroying peoples' lives. yes, I can see how this would just destroy the party's public image
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Sep 21, 2017 15:05
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Ze Pollack posted:wow. being televised doing everything in their power to stop republicans from destroying peoples' lives. That wouldn't necessarily stop the Republicans from passing Graham-Cassidy and putting millions of peoples' healthcare in jeopardy.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:11
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Good thing I learned that voting for a party that pays lip service to my beliefs doesn't work either.  Vote your conscience folks.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:12
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Mr Hootington posted:Good thing I learned that voting for a party that pays lip service to my beliefs doesn't work either. nader 2000!
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Sep 21, 2017 15:15
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Mr Hootington posted:Good thing I learned that voting for a party that pays lip service to my beliefs doesn't work either. I'm voting for George Clooney. He fanfic got Trump to veto Graham Cassidy. *salute*
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Sep 21, 2017 15:16
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:nader 2000! Gore should have had a better message and ran a better campaign.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:16
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Mr Hootington posted:Gore should have had a better message and ran a better campaign. memememememememme - you
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Sep 21, 2017 15:20
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just lol at anyone that blames nadar for gore's loss especially when pat Buchanan exists
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Sep 21, 2017 15:23
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Chilichimp posted:That was my point. But you see, when you voted for the lesser of two evils instead of staying home and whinging about being uninspired you showed that you are actually a shillbilly or whatever they are calling people now.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:24
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Glad you didn't read the point. Replace them. Vote them out. You do that on the state and county level. Man, you should SEE the candidates in the VA House of Delegates this year. Union members, Latinx, my personal favorite of the trans woman against a Republican caricature. This. The only viable way to socialism in the US is through the Dems. Third parties will literally hand the country over to the fascists. This is an unfortunate reality of the two party system. I mean, I guess you can wait for a revolution of the proletariat, but by that point there may not be anything worth saving left (or revolution will simply be impossible). I guess the model for us here are the Fabians.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:26
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Raskolnikov38 posted:just lol at anyone that blames nadar for gore's loss I blame "leftists" They've never showed up in November with any consistency beyond fygm and wonder why they can't actually form a coalition in the other months.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:26
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Man, this election really broke some of you. Get a chemical dependency like a functioning adult.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:29
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Mr Hootington posted:Good thing I learned that voting for a party that pays lip service to my beliefs doesn't work either. Yeah, voting at the Federal level doesn't. Voting at the local level does. You guys do know you can run for a local office for as little as 30-80K. I mean, that's a lot of cash for many, but I'm sure we have wealthy goons around.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:30
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Nevvy Z posted:But you see, when you voted for the lesser of two evils instead of staying home and whinging about being uninspired you showed that you are actually a shillbilly or whatever they are calling people now. Submarine Sandpaper posted:I blame "leftists" well best of luck to y'all in 2018 since you have 0 interest in doing anything but making GBS threads on the group you want to vote for you
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Sep 21, 2017 15:31
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Debate & Discussion > The 2000 Democrats Were A Waste
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Sep 21, 2017 15:32
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Yeah, voting at the Federal level doesn't. Voting at the local level does. It really isn't that much cash when you're asking 10k people for 5 bucks each
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Sep 21, 2017 15:33
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well best of luck to y'all in 2018 since you have 0 interest in doing anything but making GBS threads on the group you want to vote for you As if you'd show up regardless
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Sep 21, 2017 15:34
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I blame "leftists" we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us because we don't appeal to you because you don't vote for us seriously kids you lost a bunch of people who voted for obama but couldn't bring themselves to vote for hillary, the math on this one is not hard
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Sep 21, 2017 15:36
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My aim has been to push for Dem candidates who are further left, but I also always used to switch teams after losing the primary to do some work for the Dems in competitive general elections. Like, I was out there for loving Martha Coakley of all people, and I canvassed for Clinton in NH after voting Bernie in the primary. I'm absolutely not doing that poo poo anymore. If a bad candidate goes to the general, the people who put them there can do the work. I'll vote for them, but I'm even past the point of even arguing with leftists who won't.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:37
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Even if it has been posted it can't be posted enough: On the day that the Equifax breach was disclosed a Rep from Georgia introduced legislation to limit the damages that the big 3 would be able to be forced to pay in a class action law suit to $500,000, regardless of class size. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/republicans-congress-want-roll-back-regulations-credit-bureaus-n800471 it's being held on to for now, but with how loving bold you have to be to introduce this bill the day that the bill is announced, than you will try and go for it when less eyes are on you
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:As if you'd show up regardless lmao, again good luck in 2018. you'll need it
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