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Best In The South This poll is closed. |
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| Atlanta Falcons |
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33 | 16.92% |
| Carolina Panthers |
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42 | 21.54% |
| New Orleans Saints |
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42 | 21.54% |
| Tampa Bay Buccaneers |
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17 | 8.72% |
| You All Suck |
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61 | 31.28% |
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the only fanbase in the universe to get incredibly angry at being told their quarterback is, in fact, Good
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Sep 21, 2017 01:27
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FizFashizzle posted:Julio is one of the 10 or so best player in the league regardless of position. Which is precisely why I'm fine with Dimitroff giving those picks away in hindsight. Double hindsight, if he hadn't traded them for Julio, he'd have drafted busts with them anyway.  FizFashizzle posted:That said, that trade, plus the disaster in 2012, had repercussions for the Falcons and contributed to the dark dark times. Remember them not trading Tony Gonzalez because they didn't have enough lineman who could block? Or them sending poor steven jackson into the hole to die for 2 yards a carry to keep matt ryan alive 30 times a game? Getting one player in two drafts will do that. "The Disaster in 2012" being our banged up veteran heavy defense finally broke down in the post-season? I think you can argue that 2013/14 were due to having fewer younger guys, but 2011/2012, those 3rd/4th's might have all still be special teams contributors. It's wicked cool and fun to look at who was available in retrospect, but we're talking about diamond in the rough for 1st/2nd year talent from the 3rd round and beyond. The 1st he gave up in 2012 might have contributed, but probably not better than Julio. Roddy had already begun his decline at this point. Tony got hosed over because the birds hadn't yet been mathematically eliminated by the trade deadline, but... the team had kind of already done Tony enough loving favors. I wish they'd have traded him, but doing so would have signaled the team was giving up. Steven Jackson's decline was already written on the wall. He joined the team just as our offensive line fell apart, which severely limited his production... I wish we'd done his deal in 2012 before he got too old and we still have the ability to block runs. This was also about the time that our best linebacker (Weatherspoon) started his ligament injury tour. Weatherspoon was an injury bust. He had all the talent and on-field production you'd expect for his draft position. All that fuckin' said... we drafted the right position players to fill these rolls in 2011/12/13, but the players busted, because dimitroff sucks. It was about this time we realized all of his depth guys were busts too. We'd been coasting on players drafted before Dimitroff or signed in free agency/traded for that didn't bust like Gonz and Turner. Almost no one on the team but the 1st round picks is left from Dimitroff draft era. in summation, the Julio trade was worth it, because it was a grand slam pick and dimitroff would have stranded all those men on 3rd if he hadn't given them to Cleveland... who wound up doing just that with them anyway. THEY WERE CURSED PICKS, FIZ. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Sep 21, 2017 01:29
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im just saying julio being worth it and the results being bad in the short term are not mutually exclusive
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Sep 21, 2017 01:31
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FizFashizzle posted:im just saying julio being worth it and the results being bad in the short term are not mutually exclusive I see where you're coming from, but I'm not convinced the team would have been better if Dimitroff had 4 more picks to gently caress up. You can't have the negative opinion of Dimitroff's drafting that we do and also think "if he just hadn't traded those 4 picks to Cleveland for Julio, the team wouldn't have descended into poo poo in 2013". No, arguably the only effect would have been us not making it to the post season without Julios production. drat near every Atlanta W in 2012 was a "you paid for the full seat, but you'll ONLY NEED THE EDGE" shitshow.
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Sep 21, 2017 01:35
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Chilichimp posted:You can't have the negative opinion of Dimitroff's drafting that we do and also think "if he just hadn't traded those 4 picks to Cleveland for Julio, the team wouldn't have descended into poo poo in 2013". eh, at some point you just need bodies. even if they were just average players, the 2 1st and a 3rd (iirc) would feasibly have contributed to a team. it also doesn't help that the second best player from those two drafts was a punter, depending on how you feel about jacquizz i mean obviously no one is bitching about that trade now, but we're a better football forum than most. we should remember history and put things in context.
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Sep 21, 2017 01:46
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FizFashizzle posted:eh, at some point you just need bodies. even if they were just average players, the 2 1st and a 3rd (iirc) would feasibly have contributed to a team. it also doesn't help that the second best player from those two drafts was a punter, depending on how you feel about jacquizz For a swap of 2011 firsts, dimitoff sent a 2011 2nd, 3rd, and a 2012 first and fourth, or something similar. Quizz owns, but i'm obviously not missing him. Also Matt Boscher loving owns.
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Sep 21, 2017 04:15
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2011 and 2012. The years we got Cam and Luke 
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Sep 21, 2017 04:40
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BlindSite posted:2011 and 2012. The years we got Cam and Luke That just reminded me of the amazing double dip of Terrell McClain and Sione Fua  At least it worked out better when Gettleman did it with Star and Kawann
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Sep 21, 2017 11:14
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ozymandius1024 posted:That just reminded me of the amazing double dip of Terrell McClain and Sione Fua normally i have flashbacks when names are mentioned like this but i literally do not remember a single thing about Terrell McClain or Sione Fua
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Sep 21, 2017 11:19
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Alaois posted:normally i have flashbacks when names are mentioned like this but They were two DTs taken in the third round in 2011 (since Carolina didn't have the 33rd overall pick that year because of a 2010 Hurney Special). The only reason I remember them is because I was pumped that the rush defense was probably goingto get better that season (lol, it didn't). Fua flamed out pretty fast, but I think McClain is still in the league (Dallas?)
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Sep 21, 2017 11:52
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BlindSite posted:2011 and 2012. The years we got Cam and Luke 
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Sep 21, 2017 13:08
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 That, along with the two missed throws to a wide open Ed Dickson, give me great concern for when we play actual teams.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:43
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ozymandius1024 posted:
Well, at least you don't have to worry about that this week.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:48
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That your new running back? big money big clit posted:Well, at least you don't have to worry about that this week. Carolina Defense is the stone cold lock of the week.
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Sep 21, 2017 15:56
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if CMC was in new england he'd be an all pro this year and I'm not exaggerating. like imagine brady hitting him right out of that break 
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Sep 21, 2017 15:59
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FizFashizzle posted:if CMC was in new england he'd be an all pro this year and I'm not exaggerating. He's obviously going to play for New England at some point.
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Sep 21, 2017 16:38
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Chilichimp posted:Carolina Defense is the stone cold lock of the week. Sounds like someone is counting out the Saints to spoil some divisional opponents!
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Sep 21, 2017 16:43
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weird Asian candy posted:Sounds like someone is counting out the Saints to spoil some divisional opponents! (2017) A down-on-its-luck football team receives help from a plucky Golden Retriever in defeating their division rivals. G, 146 minutes.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:36
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In division games are never a sure thing. I remember a few years back when the Bucs had a 4-12 season, 3 of those wins were in division including the Saints who were like 12-4 that year. I remember it because it was essentially my only moment of joy that whole cursed season.
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Sep 21, 2017 19:03
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sword_man.gif posted:(2017) A down-on-its-luck football team receives help from a plucky Golden Retriever in defeating their division rivals. G, 146 minutes. Air Bud is a better receiver than Ted Ginn Jr. Confirm/Deny?
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Sep 21, 2017 20:08
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Drink it in boys https://twitter.com/TBBuccaneers/status/910943032559783937
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Sep 21, 2017 20:10
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gently caress yeah
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Sep 21, 2017 20:32
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Silly Burrito posted:Air Bud is a better receiver than Ted Ginn Jr. Ted Ginn can only operate at his full prowess in Carolina and even then he still had the occasional infuriating drop. It really is amusing how trash he is on literally any other team.
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Sep 21, 2017 20:49
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That hairball still holds our all time passing yardage record. Also most interceptions. If you ever want to depress yourself look at the losers row that constitutes the Bucs QB history. Yeesh.
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Sep 21, 2017 21:38
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A Pale Horse posted:If you ever want to depress yourself look at the losers row that constitutes the Bucs QB history. Yeesh. Man, you ain't kidding. Josh Freeman is #2 (and only 1K+ from #1) and that's all I needed to see. Jameis could/should be #3 in Bucs history at the end of his 3rd season lol
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Sep 21, 2017 21:43
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weird Asian candy posted:Man, you ain't kidding. Josh Freeman is #2 (and only 1K+ from #1) and that's all I needed to see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers_starting_quarterbacks Check out this bad boy for starting QB history. In 2006 Tim Rattay started 2 games for the Bucs, he's now the QB coach for La Tech, which I didn't know
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Sep 21, 2017 21:46
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A Pale Horse posted:That hairball still holds our all time passing yardage record. Also most interceptions. shaun king deserved more of a chance
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Sep 21, 2017 21:47
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Joey Freshwater posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers_starting_quarterbacks I didn't realize you started the Dilf for 5 years! 
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Sep 21, 2017 21:50
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A Pale Horse posted:
I do every spring and it's always sad. Alaois posted:shaun king deserved more of a chance I used to have Shaun King jersey. He was awful.
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Sep 21, 2017 21:54
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weird Asian candy posted:I didn't realize you started the Dilf for 5 years! Check out the Old Ball Coach in '76.
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Sep 21, 2017 21:54
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weird Asian candy posted:I didn't realize you started the Dilf for 5 years! loving Christ those were bad years. Also, I still think we gave up on Freeman too soon.
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Sep 21, 2017 21:55
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WampaLord posted:loving Christ those were bad years. No, Schiano broke Freeman and you'll not tell me different.
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Sep 21, 2017 21:55
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Shaun King was so close to being the first rookie QB to start in a super bowl 
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Sep 21, 2017 21:56
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WampaLord posted:loving Christ those were bad years. Nah, Schiano broke his brain. He hasn't been able to catch on anywhere since which says everything you need to know. Shaun King sucked, don't mourn for him.
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Sep 21, 2017 21:58
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Joey Freshwater posted:Check out the Old Ball Coach in '76. WOW yeah I didn't catch Spurrier! Also, moment of silence for Chris Simms' spleen. It was spleen right?
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Sep 21, 2017 21:59
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Man, I was all in on Freeman after that once incredible season he had. loving Schiano.
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Sep 21, 2017 22:00
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weird Asian candy posted:WOW yeah I didn't catch Spurrier! Yup. Ruptured his spleen, played the rest of the game (and actually did really well) and was then rushed to the hospital with internal bleeding. He'd lost a ridiculous amount of blood and doctors said had he waited longer he very likely could have died. From Wiki: quote:On Sunday, September 24, he was taken off the field after taking hard hits from the Carolina Panthers defense. Simms returned to the game and even led a successful scoring drive, but remained in physical distress and was taken to a nearby hospital after the game. Tests revealed a ruptured spleen, and Simms immediately underwent emergency surgery. In the aftermath, Simms said he lost five pints of blood before the operation and conceded that another 45 minutes without treatment could have been fatal. The injury is believed by some to have been caused by an illegal hit from Al Wallace, who was later fined by the NFL. However, Simms was complaining of pain and shortness of breath, symptoms of a spleen issue, prior to the hit. Joey Freshwater fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Sep 21, 2017 22:01
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Hey Bucs fans, remember when Josh Johnson was going to be a future star?
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Sep 21, 2017 22:03
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wandler20 posted:Man, I was all in on Freeman after that once incredible season he had. loving Schiano. So was I. I was convinced we'd found our answer at QB finally.
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Sep 21, 2017 22:05
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A Pale Horse posted:So was I. I was convinced we'd found our answer at QB finally. It's enough to make me jumpy with Jameis. People say he's the Franchise and I'm just expecting him to collapse and get worse not better.
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Sep 21, 2017 22:06
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