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quote:Holy poo poo, minority party in every branch of government, save us! 
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Rigel posted:Congratulations, you just got a whole lot of idealistic idiots arrested, and they are now facing horrifyingly stiff prison sentences. Meanwhile the media narrative has shifted towards the Dems being an unreasonable, unruly mob, opinion in middle America shifts from "oh my God Trump is horrible" to "geez, both sides are bad", and persuadable votes who could have helped sink this horrible, very real health care bill harden to voting yes to show they don't stand with the mob. That leads to tens of millions of Americans losing health insurance and tens of thousands needlessly dying every year. your masturbatory fantasies are your own business, imo
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Sep 21, 2017 16:46
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I blame "leftists" I, too, remember when 25% of Bernie supporters didn't show up or defected to Trump in 2016, while 12% of Clinton supporters did the same with McCain in '08. Push El Burrito posted:Her record was further left than Obama... so we should move to the right? I'm going to need you to substantiate this claim... 
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Sep 21, 2017 16:47
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"OH WAIT NO, STOP PLAYING TRUMP AGAINST HIMSELF, YOU MIGHT SAVE DACA IMMIGRANTS! gently caress, DON'T SAVE US AAAAAAAAAA!"
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Sep 21, 2017 16:47
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Ze Pollack posted:your masturbatory fantasies are your own business, imo answer the question
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Sep 21, 2017 16:48
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MizPiz posted:Y'all can go gently caress yourself. The leftists have been the only ones actually doing anything to oppose Trump and the Republicans through direct action. While you were trying to restart the cold war and moralize over the rights of nazis, leftists were the ones stopping literal political terrorism from both private and governmental forces. Until you're ready to put your body in harms way to protect the disenfranchised in this country, you don't have the right to say poo poo. Nice meltdown.
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Sep 21, 2017 16:48
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its just amazing to see the same bullshit of the last 2 years still going on. leftists attack the democrats for being incredibly lovely and the only response the liberals have is to appeal to authority to try and remove leftists from the conversation entirely. i get that no one wants to "relititage the primaries" but i don't see that happening here. calling the dems out seems to be incredibly topical for a US pol thread of today because there is currently a civil war going on within the democratic party. its extremely relevant and there is no way you can legitimately discuss US politics without having space for leftist criticisms of the democratic party. and its crazy to me that the same exact people from the election threads are trying to clear out any dissenting opinions, including appealing to OPs and mods to try and probate anyone who views US politics through a different lens. like, we just went through all this bullshit where even talking about bernie or confessing incredulity about hillary's guaranteed coronation were probatable. i get that its really "annoying" to have people "disagree with you" but liberals don't have much of a leg to stand on. for all their bullshit of the last two years, for all their grounded confidence and reasonable perspective, they still lost 2016 in spectacular fashion. the democratic party is at the lowest point its been in decades and yet still, still, people are insisting that disagreeing with them is flat out stupid and should be literally cracked down on by anyone with the authority to do so. its just insane. these exact same people have seen their tactics and ideology fail horrifically and cost them virtually all political power, and yet their go to move is to still try and squash all dissent and label themselves as the rational adults in the room. the leftist/liberal divide is inherently a major factor of US politics. people are allowed to disagree with the democrats from a leftist perspective. its not ~disruptive,~ its ~indicative~ of the current issues facing the only major party in the US that isn't the republicans.
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Sep 21, 2017 16:56
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Potato Salad posted:answer the question i tell them the same thing I tell the two suburban republicans we're going to pick up for every working class voter we lose "boy, engaging with a fictional construct centrist liberals invented to justify moving right sure is a waste of time!"
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Sep 21, 2017 16:58
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While I'm not particularly sold on the MizPiz plan, I don't think fretting over how the Right will demonize the Democrats is terribly constructive at this moment in our political history. The Dems are always going to be portrayed as bloodthirsty Stalinists trying to collectivize your farms and turn your kids into gay ISIS recruits or whatever. Trying to look like the adults in the room hasn't paid off for the Democratic Party.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:01
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Majorian posted:While I'm not particularly sold on the MizPiz plan, I don't think fretting over how the Right will demonize the Democrats is terribly constructive at this moment in our political history. The Dems are always going to be portrayed as bloodthirsty Stalinists trying to collectivize your farms and turn your kids into gay ISIS recruits or whatever. Trying to look like the adults in the room hasn't paid off for the Democratic Party. I think U.S. Leftists should try to work it out on a smaller scale first and then see about up-sizing into larger political institutions. They need to start with areas that are in drastic disrepair, so that they can have significant and tangible results. They should try Panama or, possibly, Costa Rica first. Then, if they are successful, they can come back with proof of the success and try to replicate it here.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:05
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RaySmuckles posted:i get that its really "annoying" to have people "disagree with you" but liberals don't have much of a leg to stand on. for all their bullshit of the last two years, for all their grounded confidence and reasonable perspective, they still lost 2016 in spectacular fashion. the democratic party is at the lowest point its been in decades and yet still, still, people are insisting that disagreeing with them is flat out stupid and should be literally cracked down on by anyone with the authority to do so. And just like them, you have nothing to offer. You have memes, like the ones Ze Pollack's spouting right now. You do nothing. You contribute nothing. No one in this country is any better off for whatever minimal labor you may put in whenever you're not sitting on your rear end and shitposting. I make a distinction between actual leftists and people like you or Condiv or Ze Pollack or Kilroy or Cerebral Bore because the latter group is made up of vile, self-aggrandizing and shockingly worthless people who live in unimaginable comfort and smug it up while actual progressives put in the work. No one wants to hear from the rest of you because they recognize how awful you are. And you recognize it yourselves, too, which is why Condiv's threads instantly devolve into backbiting whenever you don't have an easy target to rally around. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Sep 21, 2017 17:05
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Oxxidation posted:And just like them, you have nothing to offer. You have memes, like the ones Ze Pollack's spouting right now. You do nothing. You contribute nothing. No one in this country is any better off for whatever minimal labor you may put in whenever you're not sitting on your rear end and shitposting. turns out hope has value, friend. you've just got to be willing to offer it.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:08
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RaySmuckles posted:its just amazing to see the same bullshit of the last 2 years still going on. It's almost like the entirely consistency of this and other posts could be boiled down to the bolded part. You just stated exactly what you and others do in these threads. You and others are the very definition of coming to someone with problems but not solutions. Telling someone they're bad isn't a solution. After the nth iteration it's just white noise, a broken record. We get it, dems are bad. Okay. The other gripe I have with you and others is the second bolded part. It's incredibly myopic and completely disregards the previous 8 years. You don't get to be on top forever, nor would anyone want that. Losing power after an 8 year President isn't particularly noteworthy in history. I take particular offense to these types of posts because they are often breathless, lack any real understanding of the basics of how our Congress function, and have no real historical consistency. I imagien the thought process goes, 'this is a good idea, we should do this' and then quickly ramps up into 'anyone is stupid if they don't immediately recognize the superiority of this now'. In the business world strategy and implementation is an argument that occurs between people who want to put one before the other, when the real solution is that they are intertwined, that policy/strategy is the fun part but implementation is always a meticulous, boring slog. Many of our so-called 'leftists' do not seem to grasp that principle, or at least do not clearly articulate it. Boon fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Sep 21, 2017 17:08
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RuanGacho posted:We need more statists in the Dem party and socialists and people fighting for social justice, not necessarily in that order. That must be the coalition to counter the GOPs libertarian, corporate, and racists respectively. For some reason our coalition wants to fight with two of our three weapons behind our backs, and historically speaking this is what causes new parties to form and either take over and be absorbed. nah you need more dank memes
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Sep 21, 2017 17:09
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Boon posted:It's almost liek the entirely consistency of this and other posts could be boiled down to the bolded part. You just stated exactly what you and others do in these threads. the solution is to support policies that are popular with people, even if they might make some donors mad, Boon. to make public stands in support of the people whose votes you would like to receive in the future. to make efforts to accomplish your political goals. that you consider these propositions attacks on you is ultimately irrelevant, it turns out.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:11
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The Muppets On PCP posted:nah you need more dank memes Somehow Hideo Kojima has managed to destroy the entirety of western civilization. 
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Sep 21, 2017 17:12
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Oxxidation posted:And just like them, you have nothing to offer. You have memes, like the ones Ze Pollack's spouting right now. You do nothing. You contribute nothing. No one in this country is any better off for whatever minimal labor you may put in whenever you're not sitting on your rear end and shitposting. lmao, what? what is this other than a baseless personal attack? i think the criticism of "why haven't you fixed the world then yet, idiot" is a pretty stupid one. i must admit though, this response is pretty hilarious. as always, just viciously lashing out in hyperbolically stereotypical form
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Sep 21, 2017 17:12
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Boon posted:The other gripe I have with you and others is the second bolded part. It's incredibly myopic and completely disregards the previous 8 years. You don't get to be on top forever, nor would anyone want that. Losing power after an 8 year President particularly noteworthy in history. if you are trying to characterize losing political power to a senile orange rapist caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women as "not particularly noteworthy" i am going to need you to turn in your Pragmatic Realist card, because holy fuckin' lol
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Sep 21, 2017 17:13
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RuanGacho posted:Somehow Hideo Kojima has managed to destroy the entirety of western civilization. au contraire he's provided us the guidebook to surviving these worrying times
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Sep 21, 2017 17:15
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The Muppets On PCP posted:au contraire he's provided us the guidebook to surviving these worrying times Get cloned a million times and have them all fight until only one survives? Become an unkillavle vampire? Be a psychic ghost?
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Sep 21, 2017 17:17
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https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/910894633256914944 This seems important?
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Sep 21, 2017 17:17
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/910894633256914944 looking forward to the 5/4 decision
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Sep 21, 2017 17:18
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RaySmuckles posted:its just amazing to see the same bullshit of the last 2 years still going on. You're in the wrong thread.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:19
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Mr Hootington posted:Get cloned a million times and have them all fight until only one survives? mostly some vague anti-nuclear proliferation messaging plus lotsa rear end & titties
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Sep 21, 2017 17:20
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"i think the democrats should put all their weight behind supporting UHC. in addition they shouldn't put their thumb on the primary scale and should get rid of super delegates. finally, they should be as obtuse and obstinate in opposing all republican legislation as the republicans were during the democrats reign. the democrats should use the time before the 2018 and 2020 election to come up with a clear plan that emphasizes economic, racial, and social justices, firmly establishing themselves as the party of the people and doing everything they can to publicly shed their corrupt image." "you just spout negativity and don't offer any solutions" also lmao that "its natural to go from obama to trump. happens all the time"
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Sep 21, 2017 17:20
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The Muppets On PCP posted:au contraire he's provided us the guidebook to surviving these worrying times Th.. The mass annihilation of authoritarians by cybernetic katana? Disturbing if true  Javes posted:https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/910894633256914944 This is cool and good as long as we can get them to admit they want to use one.
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Boon posted:The other gripe I have with you and others is the second bolded part. It's incredibly myopic and completely disregards the previous 8 years. You don't get to be on top forever, nor would anyone want that. Losing power after an 8 year President isn't particularly noteworthy in history. The degree to which Democrats are out of power is pretty unprecedented in modern U.S. political history. Acting like people didn't have to massively gently caress up to bring about this state of affairs is nothing if not myopic.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:20
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https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/910896817973243905 An endless hell
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Sep 21, 2017 17:21
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Ze Pollack posted:if you are trying to characterize losing political power to a senile orange rapist caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women as "not particularly noteworthy" i am going to need you to turn in your Pragmatic Realist card, because holy fuckin' lol Boon is also conveniently ignoring the fact that the Democrats have been steadily losing power at every level of federal and state government even while Obama was President. It's a pretty shallow analysis
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Sep 21, 2017 17:22
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RuanGacho posted:Th.. The mass annihilation of authoritarians by cybernetic katana? Yeah, wouldn't the police just keep it secret whenever they used one?
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Sep 21, 2017 17:22
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/910894633256914944 RuanGacho posted:This is cool and good as long as we can get them to admit they want to use one. great news followed by bleak reality. business hammocks posted:Yeah, wouldn't the police just keep it secret whenever they used one? i thought they already were. like they'd use it and then use it to find other evidence that they would then use in court. perhaps i'm misremembering, but i thought i also remember it being "confidential" and refusing to even admit it was used or show it to the defense or something like that.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:23
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RaySmuckles posted:"i think the democrats should put all their weight behind supporting UHC. in addition they shouldn't put their thumb on the primary scale and should get rid of super delegates. finally, they should be as obtuse and obstinate in opposing all republican legislation as the republicans were during the democrats reign. the democrats should use the time before the 2018 and 2020 election to come up with a clear plan that emphasizes economic, racial, and social justices, firmly establishing themselves as the party of the people and doing everything they can to publicly shed their corrupt image." Could you like... shut up and go away or something? Almost all of the people ITT agree with the things in your quote, so I don't really know who you're arguing with.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:24
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RaySmuckles posted:great news followed by bleak reality. Wouldn't any evidence obtained via a warrantless stingray be immediately thrown out in court?
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Sep 21, 2017 17:24
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Chilichimp posted:Could you like... shut up and go away or something? Almost all of the people ITT agree with the things in your quote, so I don't really know who you're arguing with. the person who argued that if the Democrats act too obtuse in the pursuit of their agenda, the notably civility-conscious american population that elected Donald Trump will turn on them, and as such leftists will be responsible for killing millions, mostly. it was a weird take, not going to lie.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:26
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Javes posted:Wouldn't any evidence obtained via a warrantless stingray be immediately thrown out in court? but that's the catch, i think they use it to find other evidence that they then bring to court. its like an quasi-legal stepping stool to gathering evidence that would stand up in court better. Chilichimp posted:Could you like... shut up and go away or something? Almost all of the people ITT agree with the things in your quote, so I don't really know who you're arguing with. i guess Boon in this instance. you don't have to take it so personally. not every post is about you.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:28
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RaySmuckles posted:but that's the catch, i think they use it to find other evidence that they then bring to court. They have to disclose how they obtained that other evidence, though.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:29
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RaySmuckles posted:but that's the catch, i think they use it to find other evidence that they then bring to court. hosed up if true
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Sep 21, 2017 17:30
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Majorian posted:They have to disclose how they obtained that other evidence, though. i thought i remember using the "its classified" argument. (like, they'd tell the judge, but not the defense or something like that). i can't really remember, so i guess its been a while since i've read about it on the intercept. EDIT: here https://theintercept.com/search/?s=stingray two titles include "Maryland Appellate Court Rebukes Police for Concealing Use of Stingrays" and "NYPD Attempts to Block Surveillance Transparency Law With Misinformation" plus there's a bunch of other goodies within the articles. RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Sep 21, 2017 17:30
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Jesus Christ
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Weird, I swore Obama went and told them their water was just fine and to use a filter! Oh, wait, that doesn't actually help anyone.
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