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StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

ROFLburger posted:

I'm looking for a fantasy recommendation. Some of my favorites have been Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Stormlight Archive, Name of the Wind. I'm looking for something in the same vein - standard high fantasy but not on such a huge scale. Are there any single novel fantasy stories that you guys like that are similar to those popular epics but.. not quite as epic?

Cherryh's Fortress series!

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Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

I'm fond of Kage Baker's Anvil of the World. Lois McMaster Bujold's Curse of Chalion/Paladin of Souls are good - I'm not quite so keen on The Hallowed Hunt, but it's still pretty good.

xcheopis
Jul 23, 2003


Lord Dunsany's novels might be just the thing! My personal favourite: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Rodriguez:_Chronicles_of_Shadow_Valley

Fejsze
May 13, 2013

Only you are the fish of my dreams

ROFLburger posted:

I'm looking for a fantasy recommendation. Some of my favorites have been Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Stormlight Archive, Name of the Wind. I'm looking for something in the same vein - standard high fantasy but not on such a huge scale. Are there any single novel fantasy stories that you guys like that are similar to those popular epics but.. not quite as epic?

If you read Stormlight, than I assume you've read Sanderson's other standalone novels? They're quite good. I go back to Elantris from time to time, and Warbreaker was fun. Fevre Dream by GRRM is another one I'd recommend for a standalone (he also did a sci fi romp pre-GOT that I remember being fun if you can track it down). If you are looking for a new series to get into, I do highly suggest the Gentleman Bastard Series by Scott Lynch.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

ROFLburger posted:

I'm looking for a fantasy recommendation. Some of my favorites have been Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Stormlight Archive, Name of the Wind. I'm looking for something in the same vein - standard high fantasy but not on such a huge scale. Are there any single novel fantasy stories that you guys like that are similar to those popular epics but.. not quite as epic?

Track down a copy of "The Sword and the Lion" by Roberta Cray.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

ROFLburger posted:

I'm looking for a fantasy recommendation. Some of my favorites have been Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Stormlight Archive, Name of the Wind. I'm looking for something in the same vein

lol

How about Rothfuss's slashfic starring Devi and Tom Bombadil's wife Goldberry? It's got both Lord of the Rings and Name of the Wind!

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
Anybody have a good audible recommendation? I just finished the stone sky and need something new for the car.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

lol

How about Rothfuss's slashfic starring Devi and Tom Bombadil's wife Goldberry? It's got both Lord of the Rings and Name of the Wind!

... That was a thing I read. I'm now even more content with my decision to stop reading Rothfuss after The Name of The Wind.

As for single-volume epic fantasy, how about Neil Gaiman's Stardust ? And from the depths of the '80s, The Last Unicorn and The Neverending Story are good reads too. If you want to go even older, there's E. R. Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros,, Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions, Patricia McKillip's The Forgotten Beasts of Eld,, or Fletcher Pratt's The Well of the Unicorn.

Oh, and of course, Bridge of Birds. It has sequels but they're really rather unnecessary.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

Ask me about Genocide

andrew smash posted:

Anybody have a good audible recommendation? I just finished the stone sky and need something new for the car.
Embassytown has an awesome audiobook.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

andrew smash posted:

Anybody have a good audible recommendation? I just finished the stone sky and need something new for the car.

In the current sale that's about to end, there's a heap of good books.

Classics like Childhood's End, 2001, The Forever War, and Nine Princes in Amber. Somewhat more recent books such as The Sparrow, Hyperion, and Blackout. Recent books such as The Water Knife, Aurora, and All the Birds in the Sky (personally didn't like it, but a lot of people did). Not to mention an Expanse book, and the sequel to The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet.

Strange Matter posted:

Embassytown has an awesome audiobook.

Hell yeah.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

Ask me about Genocide

Tokamak posted:

Classics like Childhood's End, 2001, The Forever War, and Nine Princes in Amber. Somewhat more recent books such as The Sparrow, Hyperion, and Blackout.
I'm not sure how I feel about Hyperion's Audiobook. They went the route of having a full voice cast for the various main characters, but some of them kind of fall flat (in particular the Detective and the Consul I felt were weak links).

It's less distracting than Dune, with about 1/3rd of the chapters having a full cast and the rest just narrated.

The Forever War and The Sparrow are awesome in audiobook. The Sparrow in particular is heartbreaking.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

lol

How about Rothfuss's slashfic starring Devi and Tom Bombadil's wife Goldberry? It's got both Lord of the Rings and Name of the Wind!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Xaris posted:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
To be fair he was asking for it. Sort of.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

ROFLburger posted:

I'm looking for a fantasy recommendation. Some of my favorites have been Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Stormlight Archive, Name of the Wind. I'm looking for something in the same vein - standard high fantasy but not on such a huge scale. Are there any single novel fantasy stories that you guys like that are similar to those popular epics but.. not quite as epic?
Robin Hobb's Assassin trilogy

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

coyo7e posted:

Robin Hobb's Assassin trilogy

I recommend Rothfuss to people, but even I think that tricking someone into reading Hobb's mawkish misery porn is a joke in bad taste.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

I recommend Rothfuss to people, but even I think that tricking someone into reading Hobb's mawkish misery porn is a joke in bad taste.

Hobb has an audience but it has very limited demographic overlap with SA. Same reason our urban fantasy thread never discusses True Blood or that werewolf sex lady.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Strange Matter posted:

Embassytown has an awesome audiobook.

Great idea, thanks.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Hobb has an audience but it has very limited demographic overlap with SA. Same reason our urban fantasy thread never discusses True Blood or that werewolf sex lady.
"They start out okay, but then it's all sadomasochism and lycanthropic sex"

possibly the best Penny Arcade quote because of just how often Anita Blake comes up out of left field

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

Ask me about Genocide

andrew smash posted:

Great idea, thanks.
I'd even argue that Embassytown works best as an audiobook, since so much of the story is based on the way that languages are spoken. The narrator does some real cool things with the native's language.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
As a honest recommendation I'd say check out Django Wexler's Shadow Campaign series. I enjoy them a lot more than the Powder Mage stuff.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

lol

How about Rothfuss's slashfic starring Devi and Tom Bombadil's wife Goldberry? It's got both Lord of the Rings and Name of the Wind!
this is an extremely pro read [spoiker]they gently caress[/spoiler]

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

coyo7e posted:

As a honest recommendation I'd say check out Django Wexler's Shadow Campaign series. I enjoy them a lot more than the Powder Mage stuff.
I'll second this with the caveat that he keeps sticking badly written romance in it and it gets really grating by book 3-4. Really good military fantasy thingy otherwise; basically a magical twist on Napoleon's campaigns.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013
Yeah overall now I think Wexler's stuff is the better Napoleonic-period fantasy series.

anilEhilated posted:

I'll second this with the caveat that he keeps sticking badly written romance in it and it gets really grating by book 3-4. Really good military fantasy thingy otherwise; basically a magical twist on Napoleon's campaigns.

After Lost Fleet/Lost Stars my heart has been hardened to bad romance in military fiction.

Victorkm
Nov 25, 2001

DACK FAYDEN posted:

"They start out okay, but then it's all sadomasochism and lycanthropic sex"

possibly the best Penny Arcade quote because of just how often Anita Blake comes up out of left field

I mean if you like your urban fantasy with more sex with werewolves and vampires than urban fantasy, the Anita Blake books are great. I read the first 20 or 30 of them while bored at work and they were fun reads, but definitely not the sort of stuff people that post here read or admit to reading. But then, I am the guy who can't stop reading LitRPG so take what I say with a grain of salt.

ShinsoBEAM!
Nov 6, 2008

"Even if this body of mine is turned to dust, I will defend my country."

coyo7e posted:

Yeah I read most of the second one but wandered away for some reason midsummer, a lot of the quantum Computing was pretty out there for sure but at that point it's sci-fi and there isn't really any science that anybody has been able to use to back it.

I mean in the first one, I'm pretty sure they didn't have a way to sync up the human flipflops that would of actually worked at the speeds they were operating at. A few other things too, again been too long.

Fart of Presto
Feb 9, 2001
Clapping Larry
Amazon has a pretty good deal on George Alec Effinger's cyberpunk classic The Budayeen Cycle: When Gravity Fails, A Fire in the Sun, and The Exile Kiss: $2.99

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0741QZVZ7/

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

coyo7e posted:

As a honest recommendation I'd say check out Django Wexler's Shadow Campaign series. I enjoy them a lot more than the Powder Mage stuff.

I read the first one and thought it was incredibly boring and derivative and if you like that sort of thing just read Sharpe.

Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014

Grimey Drawer
I have been meaning to read some books that people generally ought to, and started with Asimov's Foundation series.

I ... didn't like it. I enjoyed the plot, but I found the characters undeveloped and one-dimensional. And his writing style just did not please me. Like, literally the only part that gave me any pleasure just from the prose itself was the early chapter in Second Foundation where Arcadia Darrell eavesdrops on her father's associates accompanied by her teenage internal monologue.

I haven't gotten to the later books in the series and am not sure if I will. I think I will read more Asimov because he's one of the big names, but I really thought given the weight people associate with his name I would have liked it better.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
Just started The Warded Man this week. Did the authors wife gently caress another dude while he was writing this thing or what the gently caress is going on? Everyone is either cheating, thinking about cheating, or wanting to cheat.

Bee Bonk
Feb 19, 2011

Fart of Presto posted:

Amazon has a pretty good deal on George Alec Effinger's cyberpunk classic The Budayeen Cycle: When Gravity Fails, A Fire in the Sun, and The Exile Kiss: $2.99

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0741QZVZ7/

Read these.

ElGroucho posted:

Just started The Warded Man this week. Did the authors wife gently caress another dude while he was writing this thing or what the gently caress is going on? Everyone is either cheating, thinking about cheating, or wanting to cheat.

Don't read these.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Kazak_Hstan posted:

I have been meaning to read some books that people generally ought to, and started with Asimov's Foundation series.

I ... didn't like it. I enjoyed the plot, but I found the characters undeveloped and one-dimensional. And his writing style just did not please me. Like, literally the only part that gave me any pleasure just from the prose itself was the early chapter in Second Foundation where Arcadia Darrell eavesdrops on her father's associates accompanied by her teenage internal monologue.

I haven't gotten to the later books in the series and am not sure if I will. I think I will read more Asimov because he's one of the big names, but I really thought given the weight people associate with his name I would have liked it better.

The Golden Age big names have a very strong tendency to cool ideas but awful characterisation and prose. If you get hooked when teenage-or-younger it's mind-expanding, but if you're older then I think your reaction is pretty typical.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

Ask me about Genocide

Kazak_Hstan posted:

I have been meaning to read some books that people generally ought to, and started with Asimov's Foundation series.

I ... didn't like it. I enjoyed the plot, but I found the characters undeveloped and one-dimensional. And his writing style just did not please me. Like, literally the only part that gave me any pleasure just from the prose itself was the early chapter in Second Foundation where Arcadia Darrell eavesdrops on her father's associates accompanied by her teenage internal monologue.

I haven't gotten to the later books in the series and am not sure if I will. I think I will read more Asimov because he's one of the big names, but I really thought given the weight people associate with his name I would have liked it better.
Asimov's main appeal is the sheer breadth of his vision and the fact that he was putting it on paper before anyone else was. He wrote that his #1 directive in his writing is to be clear, and that doesn't exactly leave much room for lyrical prose or deeply explored characters.

Frankly very few SF authors from that era gave much concern for characterization. Even someone like Arthur C. Clarke, who is by many accounts are more capable wordsmith, created fairly flat characters (though few quite as cardboard as Asimov).

I was lucky to read Asimov back in middle school and high school, which I think is the ideal age for his style. It's full of cool ideas and you haven't read enough serious literature to see the weaknesses of his style.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

ElGroucho posted:

Just started The Warded Man this week. Did the authors wife gently caress another dude while he was writing this thing or what the gently caress is going on? Everyone is either cheating, thinking about cheating, or wanting to cheat.
These are legit some of the most unlikeable characters and writing I've come across. The protagonist is an utter shithead who regularly throws tantrums which end up killing hundreds of innocent bystanders, and then he gets annoyed that they were in the way, or that he lost control, or something else which never has anything like nonsociopathic tendencies - it's like Donald Trump was given the power of Goku from DBZ.

Also the fact that mages are all super martial-arts-trained in wielding 40 lb staves made of exotic substances is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Spoiler (you don't want to read these so I won't actually spoiler text it) the protagonist gets so angry that he tattoos his whole body to become an unbreakable punching machine like some kind of anime, but it's way dumber and unfun than it sounds - if you want magic tattoos read Twenty Palaces

coyo7e fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Sep 21, 2017

Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014

Grimey Drawer
Good to know I am not some weirdo who just doesn't like good things.

I have a collection of Asimov short stories that I'll work through and then maybe try Clarke. He randomly popped up the other day when I was reading about satellite internet and I was somewhat surprised to learn his conception of what it could be is more or less what HughesNet and Exede are doing today with geostationary satellites. That is pretty cool.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Foundation was fun but it was dated. you kind of just have to accept that a lot of classic, genre-defining fiction that has tons of press and baggage will also, well, be old, and have baggage, whether it be racism, or an inability to write characterization, or a tendency to want to gently caress all your redheaded grandchildren

Alec Eiffel
Sep 7, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Hobb has an audience but it has very limited demographic overlap with SA. Same reason our urban fantasy thread never discusses True Blood or that werewolf sex lady.

Why do you think there is limited overlap? Other than the fact that it's not a single-volume work, Hobb's three trilogies seem to be exactly what that user requested. Epic fantasy that isn't exactly sweeping. Plus, I think they're great reads.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

ElGroucho posted:

Just started The Warded Man this week. Did the authors wife gently caress another dude while he was writing this thing or what the gently caress is going on? Everyone is either cheating, thinking about cheating, or wanting to cheat.
Don't read them, they're real bad, the first book actually has some promise setting wise for the first 50%, then by the end kind of goes to poo poo and definitely by the second book turns into fetish garbage and has burned a whole in the bottom of the barrel and drilled down to china. theres a whole thing about secret order of women nuns having sex with a stone dildo (which is detailed in how used and rubbed off it is) and repairing hymens afterwards with magical potions or something, that's not even the worst and plenty of rape, harem, child incest rape, etc. idk it was real bad and i've blocked out most of it, and i even have poo poo tastes to begin with so you know it's real bad.

Wolpertinger
Feb 16, 2011

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

I recommend Rothfuss to people, but even I think that tricking someone into reading Hobb's mawkish misery porn is a joke in bad taste.


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Hobb has an audience but it has very limited demographic overlap with SA. Same reason our urban fantasy thread never discusses True Blood or that werewolf sex lady.

I shamefully admit that Robin Hobb's books are literally the only book to have made me cry a little (when I was a teenager). It really is misery porn, but the feels are real.

I don't really have the heart to read the latest trilogy, esp since I'd have to reread the old ones.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Alec Eiffel posted:

Why do you think there is limited overlap? Other than the fact that it's not a single-volume work, Hobb's three trilogies seem to be exactly what that user requested. Epic fantasy that isn't exactly sweeping. Plus, I think they're great reads.

I'm not really sure why as such. It might have something to do with gender marketing. There seems to be a split where authors like Anita Blake and Robin Hobb get marketed more towards female readers, while stuff like Dresden Files or Rothfuss get marketed more towards male readers. I don't know which way the causation runs there or if it's just a ghost correlation. But SA at least historically trends more male, so, go figure.

This might change with time. I've noticed we've gotten more female posters lately and some younger women I've spoken to about SA have said they like it over other internet forums because the paywall and the moderation keep out trolls and offensive content.

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PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

lol

How about Rothfuss's slashfic starring Devi and Tom Bombadil's wife Goldberry? It's got both Lord of the Rings and Name of the Wind!

:dogbutton: smh at this hetero-fic nonsense :dogbutton:

granted I'm not entirely sure that gendering tom bombadil is a practical thing to do but still

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