DSA: our brake light guy got arrested for beating his wife

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Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

big black turnout posted:

link? i haven't seen them

I swear to god I've seen good actual redneck revolt shirts but maybe it was a John Brown gun club shirt and I'm a retard. Or maybe it was merely a fever dream

# ? Sep 22, 2017 01:39

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 15:57

long-ass nips Diane: Dec 13, 2010; Breathe.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

I hear there's an Austin DSA meeting going on IRL right now and the Fetontists are outnumbered and whining haha

Pretty sure it's literally his wife who brought a crew to try to disrupt the meeting.

# ? Sep 22, 2017 01:39

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

long-rear end nips Diane posted:

Pretty sure it's literally his wife who brought a crew to try to disrupt the meeting.

My inside man says 'oh yeah def'

# ? Sep 22, 2017 01:43

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

after you guys own the hell out of the cop and his piglets go to chili's, the official restraint of socialism, to celebrate

https://twitter.com/nataliesurely/status/910993123718791168

# ? Sep 22, 2017 01:46

long-ass nips Diane: Dec 13, 2010; Breathe.

I will never read a book and I will never vote on a bylaw

# ? Sep 22, 2017 02:07

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

bye, law

# ? Sep 22, 2017 02:11

surfacelevelspeck: Oct 1, 2008; communism's sleepiest soldier

this meeting is so bad i want to die

democracy was a mistake

# ? Sep 22, 2017 02:20

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

have u considered IRL bullying to complement your cyberbullying?

# ? Sep 22, 2017 02:23

long-ass nips Diane: Dec 13, 2010; Breathe.

Syndlig posted:

this meeting is so bad i want to die

democracy was a mistake

purge the olds

# ? Sep 22, 2017 02:23

apropos to nothing: Sep 5, 2003

Baby Babbeh posted:

Bookchin's whole point with Listen Marxist is that organizations with a high degree of power centralization tend to just recreate the systems of oppression they seek to overthrow in a new form after the revolution. He also makes the more debatable point that they aren't usually instrumental to the actual revolution itself, which is usually comes in a sudden, not-entirely-directed mass wave, and that what centralist parties actually tend to do is hold this wave back as long as possible and then mop up in the post-revolutionary power vacuum because everyone else is spent. So they're a great place to be if your central critique of the current social structure is that you're not in charge, a bad place to be if you actually want to build something approximating a just vision of socialism.

Anarchists don't really advocate for doing away with all structure, but they make the point that the way you structure your organization matters, because it prefigures the dynamics of the world you're seeking to build. So if you're an organization without a lot of internal democracy, you're probably not going to build a democratic society.

I'd say the events in 1917 russia actually counter the idea that revolutionary parties arent necessary for revolution pretty hard. the february revolution was the result of a mass uprising but the revolutionay parties were either not prepared or had their leaders in exile and were kept under heavy repression and surveillance. As a result, the provisional government, put in place by the popular revolt, was basically headed by liberal opportunists who sought to curtail the power of the soviets and the workers who had actually organized and carried out the revolution. the october revolution was also the result of a mass uprising by workers, but had the leadership of the bolsheviks and the soviets so were able to carry out a working class revolution.

You're definitely right that any org that exists within a capitalist society will most certainly recreate the oppression already present in society. that by itself though shouldnt prevent us from organizing, we should just try to eliminate or curtail that where and when we can. That being said, the revolutionary party or the mass working class movement should definitely try but ultimately cannot create the conditions they seek to make for the world within themselves. thats because its impossible to build a "just" or "socialist" institution within capitalism. in the same way that co-ops are fine and good, but we cant expect capitalism to go away by just forming enough co-ops that it disappears. we should strive to make our organizations as fair and just and equitable as possible, but we also have to recognize that their mere existence within a capitalist society makes that impossible.

# ? Sep 22, 2017 02:38

Ormi: Feb 7, 2005; B-E-H-A-V-E
Arrest us!

apropos to nothing posted:

I'd say the events in 1917 russia actually counter the idea that revolutionary parties arent necessary for revolution pretty hard. the february revolution was the result of a mass uprising but the revolutionay parties were either not prepared or had their leaders in exile and were kept under heavy repression and surveillance. As a result, the provisional government, put in place by the popular revolt, was basically headed by liberal opportunists who sought to curtail the power of the soviets and the workers who had actually organized and carried out the revolution. the october revolution was also the result of a mass uprising by workers, but had the leadership of the bolsheviks and the soviets so were able to carry out a working class revolution.

have some reading material

Ormi has issued a correction as of 02:51 on Sep 22, 2017

# ? Sep 22, 2017 02:48

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Pgh DSA has found its most powerful celebrity yet!!
https://twitter.com/pghDSA/status/911036598917238784
Only people who watched a lot of PBS/WQED in the 80s and 90s will know who this is :negative:

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:12

apropos to nothing: Sep 5, 2003

Ormi posted:

have some reading material

So I would say that a lot of the article you link criticizes the behavior of the bolsheviks following the revolution, and I think there are legitimate points of criticism in that. I think the idea of one party rule was a mistake and a pluralist model should have been embraced. that being said, my point was that the october revolution succeeded at being a socialist revolution as opposed to the february revolution which failed to do so, a big part of which was because of the lack of leadership by revolutionary parties. The bolsheviks can lay claim to a kind of ownership of the revolution but many anarchist parties and forces also helped lead the october revolution so again the issue is not that a revolutionary party must follow some specific brand of marxism to be successful necessarily, but there must be a revolutionary party or parties which have made the necessary preparations to carry out a successful workers revolt and that a mass spontaneous revolt without any kind of revolutionary leadership can't be depended on for socialism to be achieved. if that was what anyone believed, then why join any kind of socialist organization as all we'd have to do is wait until the mass of people made their move and things would just naturally work out for socialism right? even anarchists recognized this and for that reason participated in the october revolution, some of them led the displacment of the whites from the kremlin. for a good account of the events surrounding 1917 I think trotskys history of the russian revolution is extremely helpful for anyone who hasn't read it.

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:13

jarofpiss: May 16, 2009

Syndlig posted:

this meeting is so bad i want to die

democracy was a mistake

i have to get up at 4:30 or I'd be there lol

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:25

THS: Sep 15, 2017

Syndlig posted:

this meeting is so bad i want to die

democracy was a mistake

it sure was a thing, that happened

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:40

THS: Sep 15, 2017

motion to have meetings in a room that's not hot, overcrowded, and full of people drinking beer and trying to eat giant pretzels and stacks of meat

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:41

Goon Danton: May 24, 2012; Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Point of information, what kind of meat are we talking about here

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:46

THS: Sep 15, 2017

Goon Danton posted:

Point of information, what kind of meat are we talking about here

the meats are good, lots of sausages

imo the way to do organizing is you go for drinks and food after the meeting instead. it's disruptive with people dropping poo poo and ordering crap. but then again a lot of early socialists organized in beer halls, and hitler got his start there - so maybe it's a secret to success??

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:49

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Democratic Socialists of America: Hitler Got His Start There

Taintrunner has issued a correction as of 03:54 on Sep 22, 2017

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:51

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

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So I would say that a lot of the article you link criticizes the behavior of the bolsheviks following the revolution, and I think there are legitimate points of criticism in that. I think the idea of one party rule was a mistake and a pluralist model should have been embraced. that being said, my point was that the october revolution succeeded at being a socialist revolution as opposed to the february revolution which failed to do so, a big part of which was because of the lack of leadership by revolutionary parties. The bolsheviks can lay claim to a kind of ownership of the revolution but many anarchist parties and forces also helped lead the october revolution so again the issue is not that a revolutionary party must follow some specific brand of marxism to be successful necessarily, but there must be a revolutionary party or parties which have made the necessary preparations to carry out a successful workers revolt and that a mass spontaneous revolt without any kind of revolutionary leadership can�t be depended on for socialism to be achieved. if that was what anyone believed, then why join any kind of socialist organization as all we�d have to do is wait until the mass of people made their move and things would just naturally work out for socialism right? even anarchists recognized this and for that reason participated in the october revolution, some of them led the displacment of the whites from the kremlin. for a good account of the events surrounding 1917 I think trotskys history of the russian revolution is extremely helpful for anyone who hasn�t read it.
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quoting w o reading

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:51

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

my inside man is reporting that it was very hot but also dope and he ate a giant pretzel

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:56

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Yandat posted:

the meats are good, lots of sausages

imo the way to do organizing is you go for drinks and food after the meeting instead. it's disruptive with people dropping poo poo and ordering crap. but then again a lot of early socialists organized in beer halls, and hitler got his start there - so maybe it's a secret to success??

my dsa is considering having meetings in bars on slow nights and i support it.

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:58

ChickenOfTomorrow: Nov 11, 2012; god damn it, you've got to be kind

my inside person is reporting that your inside person is a doo-doo head

# ? Sep 22, 2017 03:59

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Taintrunner posted:

Democratic Socialists of America: Hitler Got His Start There

Actually I wouldn't worry. Danny Fetonte already resigned.

# ? Sep 22, 2017 04:00

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

my inside person is a skeleton

# ? Sep 22, 2017 04:02

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

I've got spies all up in this bitch

# ? Sep 22, 2017 04:12

THS: Sep 15, 2017