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Koalas March posted:I hope this is something we can all agree with! In 2017 TYOOL: probably not. Sorry.
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GoluboiOgon posted:I'm just a stupid newbie, been lurking for years. 
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GoluboiOgon posted:The crisis came about because of the terminal amount of corruption in both parties, not just the Republicans. Any realistic solution will involve the restructuring of both parties at a minimum. Yes and "Hillary is awful" is a detailed restructure plan that's explained extensively in ever post mentioning her.
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farraday posted:"your life only exists to serve the state" is not a good look. I didn't say that, I said the rich and powerful have an obligation to help, one Obama himself recognized. He's one of the most powerful people in America still. I'm not complaining about his vacation (as other posters are) but instead lamenting that I don't have faith anymore that he can live up to his own promises of post-presidential action.
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GoluboiOgon posted:I'm just a stupid newbie, been lurking for years. You regged last month.
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Chilichimp posted:You regged last month. You don't need a forum account to lurk, you can read the forums sometimes without logging on.
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farraday posted:"your life only exists to serve the state" is not a good look. It's one he chose, and now reneging on that life because you are wealthier then 99% of the US is pretty lovely, so yea, It's a really bad look from someone who was selling a song of hope and obviously had no intention of following through. "A long legged Mack-daddy" indeed.
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Sep 23, 2017 01:39
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Any US Politics? Y'all?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:"A long legged Mack-daddy" indeed. 
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Any US Politics? Y'all? Well something like 99% of our politicians are trash, but at least one of them is trying to make things better by using his status to get a national platform and using that platform to advocate for good things.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:someone who was selling a song of hope and obviously had no intention of following through. this is a hilariously disingenuous characterization of the dude's political career lol
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Sep 23, 2017 01:42
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Any US Politics? Y'all? Racism and the prison complex are US politics homie also yeah again end hillarychat for the love black c4 jesus
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Sep 23, 2017 01:42
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Trabisnikof posted:People keep forgetting about the Bernie v. Hillary thread: And there should still be a bad dems thread for both sides to pull apart and grouse in safety without having to go through the same arguments all the time Having space for the two to interact is good because echo chambers are bad, but also there needs to be a friendly corner to go AHH gently caress and blow off steam in. (The Succ Zone in CSPAM is the real bad dems thread)
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Potato Salad posted:did mccain just save 32M American's healthcare plans....again? he's no hero, and he doesn't deserve your praise what his party is trying to do right now is what it's always wanted to do. brutalize the poor and minorities if he truly had a conscience he wouldn't be a republican
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Sep 23, 2017 01:45
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Trabisnikof posted:I didn't say that, I said the rich and powerful have an obligation to help, one Obama himself recognized. He's one of the most powerful people in America still. I'm not complaining about his vacation (as other posters are) but instead lamenting that I don't have faith anymore that he can live up to his own promises of post-presidential action. Here's the thing though your rhetoric is extreme "I'm saying we, as a Republic, are facing some of the greatest threats in our history. Meanwhile we as a species are facing the the greatest challenge in history. " That brings more to mind manning the barricades on I St and 18th while we negotiate with the DC national guard. then you dismiss Obama is because how can he accomplish anything on the electoral college and gerrymandering when decorum is meaningless. Look can either think Obama's skills are meaningless in a world that's gone to poo poo or you can question why he isn't doing more, but you can't do both unless you're being deeply disingenuous. If Obama's skills aren't meaningless than your claims or desperate circumstances where his 'inaction' for 8 months is dereliction of the duty rings fairly hollow.
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Yeah, McCain is a loving petty warmonger who would happily send American's to their deaths in conflicts. That he's basically thumbing his nose art people with this stuff regarding healthcare is more that he's a petty poo poo-heel that just happens to be doing something that'll help people with his petulance.
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Sep 23, 2017 01:50
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Trabisnikof posted:People keep forgetting about the Bernie v. Hillary thread: Yes, the Bernie V Hillary thread welcomes all. There is really no reason to discuss Hillary outside of that thread unless she somehow becomes politically relevant again.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Yes, the Bernie V Hillary thread welcomes all. There is really no reason to discuss Hillary outside of that thread unless somehow becomes politically relevant again. she kinda made herself relevant again recently, so yeah, there's reason to discuss her out of that thread. that thread's for primary chat https://twitter.com/TomPerez/status/911332070311555072  tom perezwish he did more things i agree with too
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farraday posted:Here's the thing though your rhetoric is extreme "I'm saying we, as a Republic, are facing some of the greatest threats in our history. Meanwhile we as a species are facing the the greatest challenge in history. " That brings more to mind manning the barricades on I St and 18th while we negotiate with the DC national guard. We certainly are facing extreme and timely threats. The longer we delay action, the worse things will become. quote:then you dismiss Obama is because how can he accomplish anything on the electoral college and gerrymandering when decorum is meaningless. Sorry I wasn't clear, I'm saying Obama can accomplish a lot, but over the last 8 years I saw a willingness to uphold decorum and use traditional methods of action stymie his results. That's left me unconvinced he'll be able to make a meaningful difference and I would prefer to be confident his efforts won't be for naught. quote:Look can either think Obama's skills are meaningless in a world that's gone to poo poo or you can question why he isn't doing more, but you can't do both unless you're being deeply disingenuous. I'm saying Obama's power is fleeting and the longer he disengages from politics it will be harder not easier to get things done. For example, if we had OFA beating the war drums on ACA still, I wouldn't be so worried that Obama will fail to utilize the power he has, but unfortunately OFA hasn't even put out a new blog post since February. So yeah, maybe Obama will decide in a few months to fully attack gerrymandering and he'll crush it. I'd love that, but I can't get my hopes up anymore.
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Koalas March posted:Racism and the prison complex are US politics homie KM I am DOWN for P-I Complex Chat. It's the Forever War that sucks. Has there been any reform in Michigan on that tip? Or at least movement toward it?
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Wasn't Holder and Obama going to team up and work on the issue of gerrymandering? What happened to that?
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Wasn't Holder and Obama going to team up and work on the issue of gerrymandering? What happened to that? There's this https://democraticredistricting.com/ and Obama has helped with fundraising which is good.
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Prison / criminal justice reform chat: I feel like a lot of people think if we commune / pardon everyone in for drug offenses, we would massively solve the prison population problem. But the good majority of prisoners are in there for violent crime. So if we want to reform criminal justice, it means coming to terms with allowing some people who made horrible decisions to be allowed back into society. And I think that's the right thing to do in many cases. Basically a lot of leftists are libertarian when it comes prison reform. But the weed users, maaaaan Edit: a source on my prison numbers so people don't think I'm making this up https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/30/15591700/mass-incarceration-john-pfaff-locked-in
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Condiv posted:she kinda made herself relevant again recently, so yeah, there's reason to discuss her out of that thread. that thread's for primary chat YES THANK YOU! This is exactly the type of poo poo that I want to see. Now if he can speak truth to power to continually engage and work with us, poo poo can get done and he will have a solid block of reliable voters. 
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seiferguy posted:Prison / criminal justice reform chat: how much of the violent crime is legitimate? black people seem to get thrown in jail on trumped up charges a lot edit: also, we put people into jail for too long for certain crimes and for too short a time for others bankers who ruin the lives of millions because of their endless greed should be getting life sentences
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Tom Perez can help to solve this problem by resigning and letting the black guy have his position.
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Nanomashoes posted:Tom Perez can help to solve this problem by resigning and letting the black guy have his position. i don't think there's really any way he could do that considering the number of vice-chairs under him. though i agree, ellison should've been our dnc chair (also, he's the best)
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Condiv posted:i don't think there's really any way he could do that considering the number of vice-chairs under him. though i agree, ellison should've been our dnc chair I wanted KE to win, but I have liked Perez for awhile (he shoulda been Hillary's veep) and if he is using his position to do good things (like uplift black women) I will support him.
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Trabisnikof posted:We certainly are facing extreme and timely threats. The longer we delay action, the worse things will become. Fixing gerrymandering required Hillary's SCOTUS pick, full stop. Death gave us one freebie bonus chance in this generation to right our judicial ship, and we hosed it up.
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Koalas March posted:I wanted KE to win, but I have liked Perez for awhile (he shoulda been Hillary's veep) and if he is using his position to do good things (like uplift black women) I will support him. he hasn't been doing enough imo. he campaigned on a 50-state strategy and then let a bunch of special elections go without support (while mr.datacenters gets millions) but yeah, if he starts moving the party to do stuff like support blm, and balance out the leadership of the dem party so it's not so white i'd be happier with him and i'd definitely have been happier with perez as hillary veep instead of kaine. god what a waste
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Potato Salad posted:Fixing gerrymandering required Hillary's SCOTUS pick, full stop. Eh, we can very much still fight it at a local and state level. That's just a lot harder and isn't like a traditional DC based policy campaign or a campaign for president.
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Potato Salad posted:Fixing gerrymandering required Hillary's SCOTUS pick, full stop. You mean Obama hosed it up right?
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Trabisnikof posted:Eh, we can very much still fight it at a local and state level. That's just a lot harder and isn't like a traditional DC based policy campaign or a campaign for president. Yes, I agree. OFA's purpose was to browbeat this poo poo into the states from the bottom-up where the population could be persuaded to purge those who perpetuate racial gerrymandering and from the top-down through the Supreme Court and DOJ before 2020, though. In a sense, we've failed to make the Caradhras pass and now must trudge through the Mines of Moria, and as a result, we are far less certain to make it out to the other side alive and without the blood of millions on our hands. ate poo poo on live tv posted:You mean Obama hosed it up right? "Obama could have reasoned with the GOP!" This horse has been beaten, euthanized, beaten again, cremated, compressed into diamonds and disappeared from existence through matter-antimatter annhilation. Suck zone is >>> that a way. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Sep 23, 2017 |
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:You mean Obama hosed it up right? Yes what a great take.
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Trabisnikof posted:Right? People seemed to never utter a peep about the tens of thousands of slaves Obama owned then gave to Trump as an inauguration gift. Or the multitude of states that are keeping slaves right now. Frankly I would say it would be more valuable if we were getting our prisoners certified or educated. Alot would do fine. (Well besides the rapists and corporate white collar types) if they had proper training in the stem for life after prison. BTW something I also have not seen brought up is Bernie's wonderful foreign policy speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxvP6jDtt4c In this speech we had Bernie lay out a vision that is divorced from the idiotic interventionism that has braced the democrats since the 90s. He attacked unilateral action, and embraced cooperative agreements like the wonderful Iran agreement that allows America to withdraw from the disastrous Middle East. He talked about the disaster that has been the WoT. Best part was where he called out also America Firstism. The Person who would have won posted:"The goal is not for the United States to dominate the world," Sanders said. "Nor, on the other hand, is our goal to withdraw from the international community and shirk our responsibilities under the banner of 'America First.' Our goal should be global engagement based on partnership, rather than dominance. This is better for our security, better for global stability and better for facilitating the international cooperation necessary to meet shared challenges." I hope to see the Democrats embrace his vision for a future where America doesn't brutalize half the world. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Sep 23, 2017 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Frankly I would say it would be more valuable if we were getting our prisoners certified or educated. Alot would do fine. (Well besides the rapists and corporate white collar types) if they had proper training in the stem for life after prison. Yes, employers will flock to hire programmers with felony convictions over the other half of the US that has a STEM degree. The issue is that prison has 0 redeeming value. It is not an effective deterrent and propagates rape, racism, and gangs. Prisons siphon up huge amounts of taxpayer money to be given to for profit prisons, who exploit their prisoners as slave labor while getting $50 bucks a day for the opportunity from the taxpayers. Prisons must be abolished.
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GoluboiOgon posted:Yes, employers will flock to hire programmers with felony convictions over the other half of the US that has a STEM degree. According to studies companies would rather hire a white man with a criminal conviction over a black man with a clean record. As always, a lot of the white men will be fine. (Not counting trauma related to their incarceration.) White men can get away with almost anything in our society. Even Michael Alig, a convicted murderer, is hosting parties in NY again.
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Potato Salad posted:"Obama could have reasoned with the GOP!" This horse has been beaten, euthanized, beaten again, cremated, compressed into diamonds and disappeared from existence through matter-antimatter annhilation. Suck zone is >>> that a way. No he could have done his loving job and nominated a supreme court judge, but he couldn't even do that.
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Koalas March posted:White men can get away with almost anything in our society. Even Michael Alig, a convicted murderer, is hosting parties in NY again. It's about class as well as race. Plenty of poor white folk in prison now for selling opiates, while the CEOs of pharma companies did the same thing x1000 and are enjoying their yachts.
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GoluboiOgon posted:It's about class as well as race. Plenty of poor white folk in prison now for selling opiates, while the CEOs of pharma companies did the same thing x1000 and are enjoying their yachts. Overall I'd agree but in this instance Michael was a poor, gay, drug addict who lived in poverty despite his lavish partying in clubs. He was convicted of killing his drug dealer/ex-boyfriend.
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