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Groovelord Neato posted:how do you pull that poo poo after the posts you;ve made lol ?
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you claimed it was immortal, that information can only come from the book or miniseries. in the film it has not yet been revealed that it crashed into what would become derry millions of years ago.
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Sep 23, 2017 21:04
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I think the backdrop to Pennywise's dance was a nod to that. There were volcanoes in the foreground, with movement that looked like they were erupting. And the rains of sparks might have been a nod to how It arrived.
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Sep 23, 2017 21:33
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Groovelord Neato posted:you claimed it was immortal, that information can only come from the book or miniseries. in the film it has not yet been revealed that it crashed into what would become derry millions of years ago.
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Sep 23, 2017 22:29
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Hundreds is not millions and they definitely didn't establish a space/macroverse origin in the movie. And like I said earlier, a creature that is only active 1 out of 27 years can stick around awhile if it has any kind of lifespan.
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Sep 23, 2017 22:42
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Martman posted:Yall already had this interaction, and SMG said that the movie implies It has lived for hundreds of years. Otherwise what's the point of the historical stuff that Ben studies? More importantly, IT survives getting stabbed in the head. Several times.
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Sep 23, 2017 22:47
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IT should just go to a horse ranch. Its hella easy to scare a horse and theres more meat. And a horse prob wont hit you in the face with a bat.
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Sep 23, 2017 23:13
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No; it's literally not part of the story at all. It absolutely is you nutter.
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Sep 23, 2017 23:38
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Eifert Posting posted:It absolutely is you nutter. How so?
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Crimpolioni posted:How so? It lets them escape a dozen times, mocks them instead of killing them, with Eddie while literally holding him like a baby. It's not explicitly stated by the Monster, but I'm talking to the guy who thinks the movie is actually a metaphor for Serbia's gender relations because one of the character's shadows 20 minutes in vaguely looks like the footprint of Kosovo.
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Sep 23, 2017 23:48
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Eifert Posting posted:It lets them escape a dozen times, mocks them instead of killing them, with Eddie while literally holding him like a baby. Uhh that's not what hubris is.
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Sep 24, 2017 00:04
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Hubris Definition. Hubris is extreme pride and arrogance shown by a character that ultimately brings about his downfall. Hubris is a typical flaw in the personality of a character who enjoys a powerful position; as a result of which, he overestimates his capabilities to such an extent that he loses contact with reality ...
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Eifert Posting posted:Hubris Definition. Hubris is extreme pride and arrogance shown by a character that ultimately brings about his downfall. Hubris is a typical flaw in the personality of a character who enjoys a powerful position; as a result of which, he overestimates his capabilities to such an extent that he loses contact with reality ... That definition contradicts what you wrote. Hubris is not letting your enemy escape. Hubris is (for example) believing that your enemy's escape is impossible, so you don't bother establishing a backup plan.
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Sep 24, 2017 00:42
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cool this thread got really insufferable
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Sep 24, 2017 00:56
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That definition contradicts what you wrote. Or letting your prey escape because you believe they pose no real threat to you, and you can pick them off at your leisure.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:16
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Eifert Posting posted:Hubris Definition. Hubris is extreme pride and arrogance shown by a character that ultimately brings about his downfall. Hubris is a typical flaw in the personality of a character who enjoys a powerful position; as a result of which, he overestimates his capabilities to such an extent that he loses contact with reality ... Pennywise is very...proud? I think you may be mistaking him with a biblical patriarch or something.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:19
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The Berzerker posted:cool this thread got really insufferable Yeah, but I'm still gonna post how I think they're gonna gently caress up the second movie at some point.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:20
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Yeah, but I'm still gonna post how I think they're gonna gently caress up the second movie at some point. For whatever reason, I think the adaptation will be even looser there.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:43
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Pennywise is very...proud? I think you may be mistaking him with a biblical patriarch or something. You could probably make a strong case that the miniseries take on Pennywise suffers a bit of hubris, but this one not so much. The movie Pennywise is more predatory in a "I hunger" sense, playing around with the kids reminds me a lot of that "inspirational" photo of two lions cuddling with and licking a deer (could be getting the number wrong here.) There's a degree of intelligence at play, but not so much that this Pennywise can go, "Curses, foiled again," or whatever.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:43
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:For whatever reason, I think the adaptation will be even looser there. "Mike is a junkie who has been altering his mind with drugs to figure out how to defeat Pennywise." doesn't have me optimistic.
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Sep 24, 2017 01:58
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They called him a library junkie who takes LSD and Mushrooms.
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Not a particularly far stretch from the "the kids go on a 'spirit vision quest'" bit, depending on execution I'd be down for it.
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Sep 24, 2017 02:20
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Not a particularly far stretch from the "the kids go on a 'spirit vision quest'" bit, depending on execution I'd be down for it. Broken down into vague details, sure. But it was something that the kids did together. This time it's being hinted as a personal tragedy for one of the characters.
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Sep 24, 2017 02:30
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Tom Guycot posted:Not sure, from what I read the studios weren't willing to give him the budget he felt he needed, at least at an R rating (I think he wanted 150m to do it). At least, I think that was what I heard about the latest "its canceled", considering its been in a starting and stopping development hell for ages. Last I heard was he'd been trying his damnedest to get it made but the studios kept giving him the run around and once Prometheus came out and tanked, they started refusing it because they said it was too close to that. Del Toro got tired of the run around and moved on for the time being. I can cut them some slack on that since Lovecraft is one of the hardest if not the hardest to adapt to film. Out of everything Lovecraft I've seen, only good ones were Dagon, the Night Gallery episodes Cool Air and Pickman's Model, and that one put out by the Lovecraft society. However with how well IT"s doing, I can see the studios being open to reconsidering their decision.
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Sep 24, 2017 02:35
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But Prometheus didn't tank.
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Maxwell Lord posted:But Prometheus didn't tank. I was under the impression that in the studios eyes, it did poorly regardless of how much it actually brought in. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
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Sep 24, 2017 02:46
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Naw this Pennywise definitely suffers from pride.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Naw this Pennywise definitely suffers from pride. So did the book version. There's a whole chapter from IT's perspective as it reflects in disbelief at being beaten by the childhood Losers, and how much IT was intending to make them pay for that gross insult. Penny wise/It is an apex predator that never felt threatened by anything, so it's utter shock at being one-upped definitely solidifies into some actual motivation on its part beyond just needing to feed in the second half. Despite being an extradimensional clowncrab, it definitely approaches the adult Losers with a personal vendetta.
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banned from Starbucks posted:IT should just go to a horse ranch. Its hella easy to scare a horse and theres more meat. And a horse prob wont hit you in the face with a bat. poor freckles, saw a baloon and died
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Sep 24, 2017 04:02
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:poor freckles, saw clown ants and died
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Phylodox posted:Or letting your prey escape because you believe they pose no real threat to you, and you can pick them off at your leisure. Besides the bad assumption that IT wants to eat people (when IT only bites 1.5 people onscreen and is otherwise shown brainwashing dozens), you are still mixing up hubris with simple confidence. Not every character who strives for a goal and fails is hubristic. Hubris is a specific thing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPXd_3l9U28&t=128s
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Besides the bad assumption that IT wants to eat people (when IT only bites 1.5 people onscreen and is otherwise shown brainwashing dozens), you are still mixing up hubris with simple confidence. He had too much simple confidence. If only there was a term for that. Oh well.
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MariusLecter posted:He had too much simple confidence. If only there was a term for that. Oh well. Simplonfidence.
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Eifert Posting posted:It lets them escape a dozen times, mocks them instead of killing them, with Eddie while literally holding him like a baby. I feel like you're mixing this version up with the more boastful ones from the book & miniseries. If anything this guy is more of a glutton, drooling over the "tasty, tasty fear" to the point where it clouds its judgement.
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Sep 24, 2017 10:27
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The Berzerker posted:cool this thread got really insufferable wonder why that is.
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Crimpolioni posted:I feel like you're mixing this version up with the more boastful ones from the book & miniseries. If anything this guy is more of a glutton, drooling over the "tasty, tasty fear" to the point where it clouds its judgement. Yes. All the taunting and needling is the opposite of prideful, it's extremely petty. He's picking on pubescent kids. "Hubris" and pride imply self-righteousness. The problem with Pennywise is not that he overreached and if he had more modest goals as a molesting clown he wouldn't have gotten beaten by a bunch of kids. While the climatic confrontation resembles a Scooby-Doo denoument (Bill beats him by popping him like a balloon), children are not a higher power. A grubby predator cannot be hubristic toward his victims. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Sep 24, 2017 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yes. All the taunting and needling is the opposite of prideful, it's extremely petty. He's picking on pubescent kids. "Hubris" and pride imply self-righteousness. The problem with Pennywise is not that he overreached and if he had more modest goals as a molesting clown he wouldn't have gotten beaten by a bunch of kids. While the climatic confrontation resembles a Scooby-Doo denoument (Bill beats him by popping him like a balloon), children are not a higher power. A grubby predator cannot be hubristic toward his victims. ...yeah he can? Petty bullies can be extremely prideful. I don't know where you're getting this.
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MariusLecter posted:He had too much simple confidence. If only there was a term for that. Oh well. There are several terms for that, such as 'overconfidence'. The moral of IT is not that Pennywise lacked the humility necessary for good leadership - that he totally could have had a successful child-theft circus if he hadn't overextended himself. As if Pennywise serves as a warning and a lesson to future magical sewer demons: bite one kid at most, don't indulge in disrespectful taunting, you know - these are the steps to a thriving brainwash circus.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:...yeah he can? Petty bullies can be extremely prideful. I don't know where you're getting this. Because the connotation is wrong, the problem with a bully is not that they aren't prudent and don't listen to criticism, to elide cruelty by saying the issue is being headstrong is odd.
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