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peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Eyud posted:

The way puddles form and linger is really nice, and they will gently caress you up if you aren't paying attention.

Agreed, but that one at the last corner at Bathurst was just insane, I aquaplaned at 5mph like a boat. Give it a try and see if it's just me being poo poo, 2011 Formula Rookie in the rain was what I used, but I reckon it'll be similar in any car.
Apart from that though the weather is good and the transitions between them are impressively smooth

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GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

tater_salad posted:

How was the oval compared to iracing?

Iracing is better at it simply because they have more cars geared towards it, a bigger variety of oval tracks, and it's been a focus of that particular game engine for much longer. I do hope they focus on oval stuff in a patch because it is really fun when it feels right and I'd rather not have to pay a monthly fee for the occasional good oval race.

:siren: goon race scheduling request :siren:
If anyone wants to do some goon racing in pcars 2 let's do some tonight. How about 9:30 eastern? I can set up a lobby and we can do a ton of different track/car combos?

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
I'll try but can never commit top stuff cos things change here on an hourly basis, if you let me know what the lobby will be called I'll do my best though!

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

peter gabriel posted:

Agreed, but that one at the last corner at Bathurst was just insane, I aquaplaned at 5mph like a boat. Give it a try and see if it's just me being poo poo, 2011 Formula Rookie in the rain was what I used, but I reckon it'll be similar in any car.
Apart from that though the weather is good and the transitions between them are impressively smooth

No, the puddles are basically "off you go"-buttons. Even if you touch them with the wheel that is neither driven nor currently is loaded on that axis, it fucks you up. While I like them, I won't try to gently caress with them in regard of physics/how far can I go because I think they have their very own physics. Like the AI in some cars, where the line they take during chicanes is close to impossible to follow.

I actually consider those puddles like ice patches in Super Mario Kart on the Super Nintendo. Touch them, and you are put into the "let's see if he can avoid spinning" branch.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

tuo posted:

No, the puddles are basically "off you go"-buttons. Even if you touch them with the wheel that is neither driven nor currently is loaded on that axis, it fucks you up. While I like them, I won't try to gently caress with them in regard of physics/how far can I go because I think they have their very own physics. Like the AI in some cars, where the line they take during chicanes is close to impossible to follow.

I actually consider those puddles like ice patches in Super Mario Kart on the Super Nintendo. Touch them, and you are put into the "let's see if he can avoid spinning" branch.

Aye and that's usually cool, but this bastard covers the whole track, in the end I had to off road to get around it :v:

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

peter gabriel posted:

Aye and that's usually cool, but this bastard covers the whole track, in the end I had to off road to get around it :v:

IIRC, hit R (that new shoulder button on the right) to jump over it

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

tuo posted:

IIRC, hit R (that new shoulder button on the right) to jump over it

Boing!

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


tuo posted:

I actually consider those puddles like ice patches in Super Mario Kart on the Super Nintendo. Touch them, and you are put into the "let's see if he can avoid spinning" branch.

That's easy to get out of though, you just tap the brake and keep going.

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


GutBomb posted:

Iracing is better at it simply because they have more cars geared towards it, a bigger variety of oval tracks, and it's been a focus of that particular game engine for much longer. I do hope they focus on oval stuff in a patch because it is really fun when it feels right and I'd rather not have to pay a monthly fee for the occasional good oval race.

This is where I'm at, I go through phases in gaming and I hate having to resub every few months for a few months.

I want a decent (not excellent) experience.. either I'm stuck with nr2k3 or emulated diet to Daytona (which still is better than heat 2). Pretty much everything I've tried is lukewarm.

tater_salad fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Sep 23, 2017

house of the dad
Jul 4, 2005

tater_salad posted:

How was the oval compared to iracing?

It's nice to have but I can't call it much more than a novelty. I still have my complaints about how the stock car handles and it's nearly impossible to spin out. I think you could full on pit maneuver somebody and they'd be able to recover from it. Not to mention that the races tend to be too short and it'll be hard to get more than 10 people to show up for something longer. You also can't filter for races that are in lobby or early qualifying, so you have people constantly joining and leaving after seeing the race has already started. It's a fun little alternative to have, but it's not worth it for someone who's an oval enthusiast.

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


Oh so like Nascar heat 2, I'll pass and wait for someone who isn't iracing make a competent oval racing Sim.. :(

Eyud
Aug 5, 2006

peter gabriel posted:

Agreed, but that one at the last corner at Bathurst was just insane, I aquaplaned at 5mph like a boat. Give it a try and see if it's just me being poo poo, 2011 Formula Rookie in the rain was what I used, but I reckon it'll be similar in any car.
Apart from that though the weather is good and the transitions between them are impressively smooth

Oh yeah I tried that and yep, it just turns into a lake on that corner. I was in the Porsche 936 and it was basically the same, I had to slow way down and cut the corner a bit to keep from aquaplaning too much.

Top of my list for testing today: Nurburgring in the snow. :getin:

GutBomb posted:

:siren: goon race scheduling request :siren:
If anyone wants to do some goon racing in pcars 2 let’s do some tonight. How about 9:30 eastern? I can set up a lobby and we can do a ton of different track/car combos?

Works for me.

Eyud fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Sep 23, 2017

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Zaphod42 posted:

I love it because it just really delivers the perfect F1 experience. Nothing but that, but that's why its so good at it. No other game I've played nails things like safety cars, penalties for engine changes across the season, choosing your tire compounds in advance and swapping them with strategies mid-race that follow rules, etc. as accurately. Plus, it has all the 2017 season F1 tracks, and it has the actual cars and liveries and racing drivers likeness and names and everything. There's voice acted commentary and little polish stuff, like every cut of the camera uses the official F1 logo wipe and before a race you see the official F1 lead-in video showing the world map with all the courses and then zooming in on the current GP and showing the DRS zones and the elevation changes and all that...

drat shame it doesn't have VR though, especially when Dirt Rally did VR so well. Why, Codemasters? Goddamnit.

It also has some pretty cool training programs to learn a track better and a kinda cool RPG thing in the career mode that lets you upgrade your car across the season and chase some of the better teams with some of the worse teams. Cool stuff.

I got this on Steam but I play using the DS4 controller and it's pretty much perfect for me: it's not too difficult at all, if anything it's a bit too easy right now with the assists I picked but it's easy to adjust, and it goes into all that wonky poo poo outside of the driving itself that I find interesting in F1. E.g. I use up fuel like a madman and can't really do good laps while saving fuel, so I'll just eat the increased weight and load slightly more fuel than should be needed.

billy cuts
Aug 14, 2003

wrists of fury
Buglord

GutBomb posted:

:siren: goon race scheduling request :siren:
If anyone wants to do some goon racing in pcars 2 let's do some tonight. How about 9:30 eastern? I can set up a lobby and we can do a ton of different track/car combos?

i'm down

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Terrific Accident posted:

I still have my complaints about how the stock car handles and it's nearly impossible to spin out.

Hold my beer...

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

SulphagneSocialist posted:

I got this on Steam but I play using the DS4 controller and it's pretty much perfect for me: it's not too difficult at all, if anything it's a bit too easy right now with the assists I picked but it's easy to adjust, and it goes into all that wonky poo poo outside of the driving itself that I find interesting in F1. E.g. I use up fuel like a madman and can't really do good laps while saving fuel, so I'll just eat the increased weight and load slightly more fuel than should be needed.

Yeah that's the stuff I'm talking about, other games don't do that enough. I'm pretty good at saving fuel so I can push it and run rich on the last few laps, cool stuff.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



I tried a pcars2 "demo" and the pad controls are improved but the game is still pcars1 and more simmy than forza so it's obviously a little more speed control and danger involved with the pad than f6. It feels pretty good though, I was getting decent hot laps in. I dunno if there is really enough difference from pcars 1 to make me buy it. The cars and tracks seem largely the same and graphically I think it looks worse than forza. I'd likely use this for the same thing as pcars 1 which is a f1 hot lap simulator. Gonna try out the ai but my hopes are pretty low for that

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

So I did a couple of online GT races in Pcars 2. Just got out of one, on Hockenheim. Started snowing during start, which turned into heavy rain, which caused me to spin at the exit of turn 2 due to a huge puddle forming there and received a drive through for it (because why not? I didn't even hit anyone). And while driving into the dying light, it all dried up again and I at least managed to not get last.

gently caress realism, this is so much fun ;)

tuo fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Sep 23, 2017

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

ethanol posted:

I tried a pcars2 "demo" and the pad controls are improved but the game is still pcars1 and more simmy than forza so it's obviously a little more speed control and danger involved with the pad than f6. It feels pretty good though, I was getting decent hot laps in. I dunno if there is really enough difference from pcars 1 to make me buy it. The cars and tracks seem largely the same and graphically I think it looks worse than forza. I'd likely use this for the same thing as pcars 1 which is a f1 hot lap simulator. Gonna try out the ai but my hopes are pretty low for that

I am not that impressed by the formula cars in PCars2 yet, to be honest.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



here's my pcars 2 ai review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHz7ZVqy0Y

pcars2.avi. happened 3/3 starts

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Seems pretty accurate to me, everyone knows american cars can't turn.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
Jack Spade has P Cars 2 FFB settings out now:

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?51628

These feel amazing, so much better, I liked his stuff on P Cars 1 and this is just as good - game feels really really good now

Also, for VR I found this useful:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13vH7xrVdCUdYgy4M3uJ0Vx-9TH_JMSeTbsl3_5Ex9OQ/edit#gid=0

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?
Is there a discord we can use for racing tonight at 9:30 eastern? Not sure if the game has in game chat.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

GutBomb posted:

Is there a discord we can use for racing tonight at 9:30 eastern? Not sure if the game has in game chat.

OP has a link to goon racing discord

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Eyud posted:

Top of my list for testing today: Nurburgring in the snow. :getin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bspJDkB83Kk

900HP Group 5 Datsun on the 'ring in snow.

This in VR might sell me on this game even with Forza coming out in a few days.

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?
Ok, for racing tonight, if you're not already on the discord server, get the invite here: https://discord.gg/D7Gb9Z5

join the Project CARS voice channel.

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?
Lobby is up. it's called GoonTime and the password is stairs

Eyud
Aug 5, 2006

I set up Crew Chief again and it's impressive how much stuff he's added since I last used it. It even knows corner names, earlier I was driving on Snetterton and he told me I was locking the brakes going into Nelson. Not that I know many corner names but it's cool anyway.



ethanol posted:

here's my pcars 2 ai review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHz7ZVqy0Y

pcars2.avi. happened 3/3 starts

I'm guessing your "demo" was an old build or something because I tried this same setup (20 cars at Silverstone with me starting in the middle, no qualifying) and it was completely fine.

Boar It
Jul 29, 2011

Mesmerizing eyebrows is my specialty

Eyud posted:

I set up Crew Chief again and it's impressive how much stuff he's added since I last used it. It even knows corner names, earlier I was driving on Snetterton and he told me I was locking the brakes going into Nelson. Not that I know many corner names but it's cool anyway.


I'm guessing your "demo" was an old build or something because I tried this same setup (20 cars at Silverstone with me starting in the middle, no qualifying) and it was completely fine.

Speaking of a demo, I wish there was one. I have no idea if the game will work on my machine, I mean, it probably will but how well? I don't want to pay 60€ on steam either since GMG Is cheaper but if I get it there I can't refund it in case of problems. So my only option is to buy it on steam and then refund it and then buy it somewhere else cheaper, which is a hassle.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Torabi posted:

Speaking of a demo, I wish there was one. I have no idea if the game will work on my machine, I mean, it probably will but how well? I don't want to pay 60€ on steam either since GMG Is cheaper but if I get it there I can't refund it in case of problems. So my only option is to buy it on steam and then refund it and then buy it somewhere else cheaper, which is a hassle.

PCars 1 was immensely well optimised, so if you have a relatively decent PC it should run perfectly fine. I only had a GTX750 playing the first one and never had framerate issues.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Torabi posted:

Speaking of a demo, I wish there was one. I have no idea if the game will work on my machine, I mean, it probably will but how well? I don't want to pay 60€ on steam either since GMG Is cheaper but if I get it there I can't refund it in case of problems. So my only option is to buy it on steam and then refund it and then buy it somewhere else cheaper, which is a hassle.

What are your specs?

Boar It
Jul 29, 2011

Mesmerizing eyebrows is my specialty

peter gabriel posted:

What are your specs?

i7 920 @ 2.66 Ghz (First generation i processor but I see no reason in upgrading, I run all the games I want just fine)
GTX 770
16 GB Ram

Those are the three most important things at least.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Torabi posted:

i7 920 @ 2.66 Ghz (First generation i processor but I see no reason in upgrading, I run all the games I want just fine)
GTX 770
16 GB Ram

Those are the three most important things at least.

With a 770

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0z8yuSUroc

Here is a dude playing P Cars 1 with similar specs, he goes through his settings. He seems OK and 2 isn't much different to 1 in the scheme of things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGm8SY8Hyew

peter gabriel fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Sep 24, 2017

Boar It
Jul 29, 2011

Mesmerizing eyebrows is my specialty
Thanks. As long as I can run it on medium settings at 60 fps I'm happy.

Eyud
Aug 5, 2006

For anyone else curious about the driver ratings in PC2, it works much like iRacing:

quote:

The Safety Ranks system is as follows: U (lowest, and also the starting point), F, E, D, C, B, A, S (highest).
This strength number ranges from the lowest at 100, up to 5,000 as the highest, with the player’s starting strength set to 1,800."

From here (must be a bit old though since starting strength is actually 1500).

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

If anybody has any good setup repositories for Project Cars 2 I'm all ears. I can't do major setup work to save my life, I can tweak an established one but really cannot make major changes at all.

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?
I don't like bothering with setups because most of the time I just don't get it, so the race engineer has been great in PCars 2, you basically tell it where the car is deficient and it helps out by making changes and explaining the changes its going to make.

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

I haven't tried the Race Engineer in Pcars2 yet, but it sounds very good.

I once had the great pleasure to be on the same discord as Daniel Juncadella who talked about the setup he uses in R3E for his 2015 Mercedes DTM car, and he explained in great detail why he choose the different options, where they are similar to what he drove in the "real world" DTM, where they are different because the game is different from what he experiences in real life, and how much the thing actually works as a sim to prepare him for some tracks. It was awesome, and helped me tremendously to understand the most important setup options. The setup he shared was brutal. It shaved nearly a second off my time at Hockenheim in R3E, but I couldn't drive it for a whole race. It was extremely stiff, especially the ARBs, so the car was super snappy to steer into the corners and felt like basically a "new car" compared to the default settings. But at the same time, it was a super bitch with the very stiff rear...a slight knock from an opponent during corner exit or a little bit too much throttle, and you went into a spin. I since changed the setup to make the rear a bit more soft so that it forgives errors more and can also take some beating from opponents without getting unstable.

tl;dr: it's a very good idea to have this race engineer option instead of having to adjust all the stuff yourself

tuo fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Sep 26, 2017

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012

Let me interrupt you PC2 gaylords to shill a bit of RaceRoom....try some WTCC at the Chang circuit....it's fantastic.

I've owned the track for a while but never actually got around to driving it. It's almost the perfect layout for FWD - smooth as gently caress, dead easy to learn and no chicanes.

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zooted heh
Oct 16, 2005

str8 mercin burgers my nigga
In f1 2017 when racing 50% distances my pit crew fills enough fuel to last the entire race. Should I be lowering that before it starts? I feel like the game isn't actually compensating that I'm racing half the normal laps.

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