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WampaLord posted:The locked arms thing is such a loving weak rear end attempt to not have to kneel but still get credit anyway. Disappointing.' I kinda like it though as a symbol of unity. Locked arms has an image of 'we stand together in this'.
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Taerkar posted:I kinda like it though as a symbol of unity. Locked arms has an image of 'we stand together in this'. Harbaugh and Khan did too which was nice to finally see some authority figures get involved.
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Bro Dad posted:Harbaugh and Khan did too which was nice to finally see some authority figures get involved. I both am and am not surprised. By calling out every NFL player and calling them "sons of bitches" he is loving with the income of every rich NFL team owner. This is a fight he can't win.
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I have to say as a Niners fan I like Kaep a lot more as a civil rights advocate than I liked him as a QB.
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Syenite posted:Just lol at the liberal posters unironically punching left in this thread, in our current political climate. mayeb they should check their wealth privilege
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Koalas March posted:By calling out every NFL player and calling them "sons of bitches" he is loving with the income of every rich NFL team owner. This is a fight he can't win. Hell, he called out Roger Goodell on twitter this morning. Maybe he's gonna invite Sepp Blatter to the White House and pretend to like soccer because otherwise I don't see his endgame here.
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Kilroy posted:I've got two Senators from my state occupying very safe, very blue seats. Neither of them bothered to co-sponsor or otherwise endorse the M4A bill, a bill which has no chance of passing anyway. It's nice that the topic has been more fully broached, but if you think it would get 16 cosponsors and brought to the floor with the Democrats in control of the Senate where it might actually have a chance of passing (or rather, no plausible bogeyman to point to when it didn't), then I think you have poor political instincts. To put it mildly. Exactly what happened in CA will happen on a national level with this thing unless the Democrats are forced to act otherwise, in the sense of kicking the bastards out and replacing them with representatives who aren't terrible. Yeah we need to primary at peast two or three dem senators. If that number gets primaries they'll fall in line.
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SKULL.GIF posted:The Democrats have neither the desire nor the guts to do this, because they still view Congressional Republicans as fellows and comrades. oh yeah, I know. It's just what they should do, if they had spines.
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Sep 24, 2017 16:21
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Bro Dad posted:... I don't see his endgame here. He's a child with no impulse control. The show is the endgame until there is a consequence.
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Sep 24, 2017 16:29
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The Puppy Bowl posted:As a freaky obsessive football fan I can assure you that the Ravens had some arguably valid football reasons for not signing Kaepernick that really don't matter because the owner went on record saying he'd rather not piss off any racist poo poo birds in the fan base. Also, I haven't seen any Ravens players kneel for the national anthem, but I do everything I can to avoid watching pregames so that doesn't for sure mean it hasn't happened. https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/911953232817262592
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Sep 24, 2017 16:48
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Bro Dad posted:I don't see his endgame here. Because you're thinking about an end game. That is a mistake in Trumplandia. There is no end game. Donnie has an...interesting history with regards to the NFL that involved money and ego. It did not work out well for him in the end. This is lashing out at enemies to settle old scores and soothe an ego wounded years ago with bonus points for being able to criticize black athletes. There is no plan beyond that. He was hurt, he wants to hurt. That it is hideously short sighted and destructive to himself and those around him/in his party is not even meaningless because meaningless implies he comprehend it and attaches no meaning. It never even enters what passes for his dementia-riddled thought process to be undestood. He was hurt, he wants to hurt.
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GoluboiOgon posted:The problem is that the Democrats have generally been focusing on fighting racism without addressing economic inequality. Nah, I wouldn't really say this is true. The problem is that Democrats have been halfassing both the fight against racism and the fight against economic inequality, unwilling to make the systematic changes that are needed to fix either problem. When challenged on either issue, they blame the other issue as a way to pit members of their base against each other - a tactic that has worked wonderfully against some of the stupider members of the left. Bro Dad posted:Hell, he called out Roger Goodell on twitter this morning. Maybe he's gonna invite Sepp Blatter to the White House and pretend to like soccer because otherwise I don't see his endgame here. He's getting plenty of press and will almost certainly have an impact on news cycles to come as the fires and racial tensions he's fanned today rage throughout football. He doesn't need an endgame.
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One of the things that baffles me about Hillary's campaign was that they didn't run ads about how Trump killed the U.S. Football League. We could've had spring and summer pro football if not for him..
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We are going to see some real poo poo if a QB kneels, and it might be Rodgers (the most talented QB in the league and the second best): https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/911958368939659265 Tune in a hour from now for the next wave of protests... Potato Salad posted:So, what happened recently that's getting leftists particularly vile? We're continuing to gain support for Medicare for All, we're continuing to primary in the states waaaay better than we did in 2014 and 2016, the Dems are holding the line against ACA repeal without any traitors so far, I'm seeing a new face in my DSA chapter every week.... what's the bee in your collective bonnets? Have centrists not been literally killing themselves fast enough to sate your thirst? Does the Dems playing DJT into potentially saving 800,000 minorities get your loving dicks blueballed? This is, sincerely, an extremely bad post, and it's revealing that you saw yesterday's conversation -- about racism, how we should treat it, talk about it, and address it, and how it has been used as a cover for not doing more to help people and, somehow, not doing more to actually address racism -- as "particularly vile". Main Paineframe posted:Nah, I wouldn't really say this is true. The problem is that Democrats have been halfassing both the fight against racism and the fight against economic inequality, unwilling to make the systematic changes that are needed to fix either problem. When challenged on either issue, they blame the other issue as a way to pit members of their base against each other - a tactic that has worked wonderfully against some of the stupider members of the left. I generally agree with the thrust of your post but I'm not sure I'd blame these people on the left for buying the Democrats' arguments given that it's issues they care deeply about and the centrist Democrats were, until recently, generally accepted as authority figures who knew what they were doing. 11/9 woke hell of a lot of people up to who they really are.
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Sadly, if you listen to https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/911972264744124416 It sounds more like Tomlin is saying that they're just trying to avoid the situation entirely rather than it being a bulk protest by the entire steelers. A lot of talk about they're just here to play football and it's not about politics.
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Steampunk Hitler posted:Sadly, if you listen to Thankfully conservatives won't be able to delineate between protest and simply not going out so it'll have the same effect by and large.
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Peachfart posted:The far-left is mad because that is their essence, it is their raison d'etre.
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Main Paineframe posted:Nah, I wouldn't really say this is true. The problem is that Democrats have been halfassing both the fight against racism and the fight against economic inequality, unwilling to make the systematic changes that are needed to fix either problem. When challenged on either issue, they blame the other issue as a way to pit members of their base against each other - a tactic that has worked wonderfully against some of the stupider members of the left. It's this one. We have a problem, and the Dems don't want to acknowledge that the country has bigger fish to fry than incrimental changes to the tax code to make the rich pay less of a tax rate.
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Steampunk Hitler posted:Sadly, if you listen to I don't think anybody anywhere is going to take it as 'avoiding the situation'.
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RuanGacho posted:It's this one. after reading "listen liberal" im convinced the top of the dem foodchain is a very small and very isolated group of people, they think they're the smartest people in the world but if their not being impacted then the issue doesn't exist to them
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Steampunk Hitler posted:Sadly, if you listen to I mean, that seemed likely from the start. Either the organization is trying to avoid the subject entirely or they didn't want some players kneeling and some speaking out against it and it causing all kinds of drama. But the reality is that by doing this it creates a much bigger visual and if nothing else makes the clear statement that this subject can not be ignored, even if you really try.
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empty whippet box posted:I don't think anybody anywhere is going to take it as 'avoiding the situation'. I don't think there's a way to fully avoid the situation in this case.
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RuanGacho posted:It's this one. So this is mostly right - the dems have proposed halfassery incrementalism, and it's not enough. I think most in the thread agree with this. But I'm struggling with the moral culpability here. There's two versions of the story that got us here: 1) The problems of today look more like the problems of the 1930s than the problems of the 1970s. Most of the current leadership came of age or first entered politics in the 1970s and 1980s. Neoliberalism made some sense, or at least was not so obviously problemitic, when viewed in the lens of the economy of the time. On top of that, the leftmost wing of the party suffered defeat after defeat in presidential politics, with 1984 as particularly embarrassing. Clinton's triangulation was the only way the party could survive, end prevent even worse stuff from happening under unified GOP control. Some leadership is just too old and entrenched to see it any other way at this point. Under this version, the "soul" of the democratic party is still good - they still care about PoC, they still care about the poor - but they've lost their way. 2) The Dems are in on the con. They also only care about the donor class. Under this version the "soul" of the party is rotten and corrupt. I dunno. I guess it doesn't matter too much which version is correct. Either way all we can do is demand progress.
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Bad news in the midst of Football loving Donny: https://twitter.com/JoshBreslowWKRN/status/911994737690841088 Nashville police responding to shooting at Antioch church quote:Nashville police are responding to an apparent shooting at a church in Antioch.
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Koalas March posted:https://twitter.com/Andrew_Ferrelli/status/911973424255442944 Bet this is really pissing off the dude on the team who came out against the protests (which is good because gently caress that idiot)
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Hellblazer187 posted:So this is mostly right - the dems have proposed halfassery incrementalism, and it's not enough. I think most in the thread agree with this. I think it's both, but its not a malevolence at play, just privilege and hubris. Tiberius Christ posted:after reading "listen liberal" im convinced the top of the dem foodchain is a very small and very isolated group of people, they think they're the smartest people in the world but if their not being impacted then the issue doesn't exist to the I should probably post some excerpts from that so more people understand why some posters have suddenly come back "different" from how they were before.
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Crain posted:Bad news in the midst of Football loving Donny: I know twitter is a brief medium, but "Heading to the scene now!" sounds a bit too gleeful/eager.
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Main Paineframe posted:Nah, I wouldn't really say this is true. The problem is that Democrats have been halfassing both the fight against racism and the fight against economic inequality, unwilling to make the systematic changes that are needed to fix either problem. When challenged on either issue, they blame the other issue as a way to pit members of their base against each other - a tactic that has worked wonderfully against some of the stupider members of the left. I will say this: if Democrats did genuinely make massive strides in social justice for even a whole term, especially those that extend from abuse of authority, I think a lot of the left could easily overlook making little progress in economics for that time. Focusing on one particular aspect of the whole problem is fine, these are not easy problems and sometimes you have to take it piece by piece. But there needs to be real progress, to the full extend of the ability to make progress, for people to be happy with the progress. The social progress being made is great for grass roots organisations. But it's not enough for an actual powerful political party. Honestly, the support of black women dropping is very encouraging. It means even the most loyal demographics are finally seeing that the Democrats aren't doing enough and that they should demand more. Black women getting fed up of the bullshit that is toeing the line and not rocking the boat is awesome. Focus more on making actual changes to address black women's problems? Sure, lets do this. If idpol stops being a totem Democrats use to suppress real change and they're forced to actually come through on their rhetoric then it's all good. Show people what it actually means for a party to act instead of talk. Show people that what's possible is so much larger than the bullshit "pragmatists" have fed them. Show people that demanding and agitating for what you want is a good thing. Then you can also start tackling the other multiple mountains of poo poo that has been needed for decades and never properly addressed. It doesn't matter where you start; black women, working class, LGBT, or 9-12 year old boys with asthma in the South West; extremely quickly, if you're making actual progress at a rate worthy of a major political party, you're going to run out of X-demographic-exclusive issues and also have to tackle fundamental flaws in the system that will help everybody. IF it's actual and significant progress. If addressing black women's concerns is going to consist entirely of putting more black women in positions of power and changing the rhetoric to mention them more then that's bullshit and it can gently caress off.
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Pohl posted:Once again, changing the economic inequality will not stop racism, though it may help people being affected by racism. There is a dichotomy because you refuse to accept the fact that paying people of color more will not end racism. More money going to the poor black sections of our society is not going to solve this problem. Also, I'm calling bullshit that our Democrats haven't addressed economic inequality. Sure, they haven't been lockstep on this, but many have tried. if it helps any I'll gleefully call bullshit on both. democrats have been unwilling to do anything more than "have a conversation" on the subject of racism. there were, in the few places they retain local power, pushes to expand access to voting. there were, in a few high profile cases, Justice Department investigations of bad police departments. these were good things. but beyond that? guy gets caught profiling a harvard professor and Obama holds a loving beer summit so that the dipshit profiler and the guy who tried to get into his own house can "resolve their differences." it is difficult to ignore that the logic of demographics-as-destiny appeal-to-the-moderates holds that the Democratic Party not only doesn't have to take action against racism, it actively shouldn't do anything substantial. because doing anything for minorities might upset some small fraction of the Definitely Attainable White Moderates. and after all, what are minorities going to do? vote republican??? oh whoops they can also just decide not to vote, poo poo, somehow we forgot that was an option and in unrelated news Donald Trump is president now.
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SKULL.GIF posted:We are going to see some real poo poo if a QB kneels, and it might be Rodgers (the most talented QB in the league and the second best): Yes. 👹👹👹
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Koalas March posted:I both am and am not surprised. I assume he's still mad about the thing with the USFL.
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Ze Pollack posted:
Heck, just look at the SPD getting stomped in Germany. You'd think UK Labour's recent success would be enough of a lesson, but it doesn't count because the Democrats were eagerly hoping it would crash and allow the British equivalent of Jake Tapper to lead the discourse. But seeing other liberal parties shrivel up and die should send a message. They salaries and whole worldview is wedded to never learning it, though. At this point it's not even a matter of policy anymore. These people look like they haven't even raised a kid. "Sure, if we give little Timmy everything he wants and indulge all of his tantrums, he'll start doing well in school and making his own bed anyday now!" Start making a strong positive impact on voter's lives, or lose the white ones to fascists and the minority ones to apathy. It's really that simple.
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Sephyr posted:Start making a strong positive impact on voter's lives, or lose the white ones to fascists and the minority ones to apathy. It's really that simple. pretty much policies, not parties, inspire voters
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