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Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
reapers can also move and fire so it's not like squadsight adds a ton

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Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
I got a little bit of use out of it but not enough to justify the 25 point cost.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

I always forget Shiedwall is a thing. Wrath suits too, though those are actually good.

wuffles
Apr 10, 2004

Deadeye on a reaper is a double-edged sword. Yes, the added damage can secure a kill that wouldn't be possible otherwise, but at the same time, it can take an easy shot and make it considerably more likely to miss, fail the reveal check, and get your reaper exposed in a really vulnerable position (often activating more pods).

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


wuffles posted:

Deadeye on a reaper is a double-edged sword. Yes, the added damage can secure a kill that wouldn't be possible otherwise, but at the same time, it can take an easy shot and make it considerably more likely to miss, fail the reveal check, and get your reaper exposed in a really vulnerable position (often activating more pods).

Yeah but reapers have pretty high aim and can get right up next to enemies without revealing, and unlike sniper rifles their gun doesn't have an aim penalty at close range. Stick 'em 3 tiles away and enjoy your 95% shot with a massive damage boost.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
I got tactical rigging and deadeye on my Reaper so I have them carry tracer rounds. With a superior scope on their gun they pretty much always can land it.

VVV Across 3 playthroughs I have not gotten a single perception PCS from drops. I've bought several superior ones off the Black Market though.

Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Sep 24, 2017

wuffles
Apr 10, 2004

Taffer posted:

Yeah but reapers have pretty high aim and can get right up next to enemies without revealing, and unlike sniper rifles their gun doesn't have an aim penalty at close range. Stick 'em 3 tiles away and enjoy your 95% shot with a massive damage boost.

You can mitigate it some, as you mention, but a lot of late-game units have innate defense and deadeye is -25 aim...that's nothing to sneeze at. Its at least enough to always make me consider if doing anything else with the Reaper is useful that turn before considering Deadeye.


Internet Kraken posted:

I got tactical rigging and deadeye on my Reaper so I have them carry tracer rounds. With a superior scope on their gun they pretty much always can land it.

That does change things a bit in Deadeye's favor.

Haven't rolled tactical rigging at all yet and have been starving for scopes and perception PCS's all game. Both mine have sup. speed pcs + laser sight/repeater/extended mag. I'd really like to be able to put talon rounds on them and stack crit to help their low output.

Actually what I want is to be able to put a wraith suit on them, that would be really fun.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Internet Kraken posted:

What? The Spark cover perk is one of the best things about them.

I only notice the Spark cover perk when I have moved my Spark next to the enemy unit for a point blank shot and, welp.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Is there no universal keybind for overwatch? I have now both accidentally shot a pistol and accidentally shot a blaster bomb because of it

temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Is there no universal keybind for overwatch? I have now both accidentally shot a pistol and accidentally shot a blaster bomb because of it
Y
R is reload

a crisp refreshing Moxie
May 2, 2007


So I just got my first ever Low Profile SITREP (Sergeant or lower ranked soldiers only) around midgame, and by chance I happened to have exactly six soldiers standing who qualified, so I apprehensively accepted.

Advanced ADVENT, Vipers, Mutons, a Codex. It's dicey, but thanks to a frost grenade against the codex/muton pod, I'm managing. I'm down to one last pod to activate, cautiously advance, and:

Motherfucking Archon King. Against a resource-depleted lowbie squad. gently caress yoooouuuuu gaaaaaame.

:xcom:

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Welp the game just crashed on me when I clicked OK to allowing wounded soldiers on the final mission. Not a good sign.

Tollymain
Jul 9, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i tried the fan-made launcher and the game hasn't crashed once since and it runs like butter what the hell kind of black magic is in that thing

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
How exactly do you setup the fanmade launcher?

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

This is an amazing expansion that easily could have been a cash-in sequel, but it's puzzling how many game crashing bugs were allowed to pass. The Chosen attack on the Avenger was simple unplayable, crashing every other turn. I had to reload a previous save and off the last Chosen to finish the game.

Still though, this was the best DLC I've ever played.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

MadJackal posted:

The Chosen attack on the Avenger was simple unplayable, crashing every other turn.

What mods are you running? I've had the Chosen attack 4 or 5 times in my game and no problems.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Tygan, maybe when I'm memorializing the dead isn't the time to ask about posing near an Advent Burger.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

marshmallow creep posted:

Tygan, maybe when I'm memorializing the dead isn't the time to ask about posing near an Advent Burger.

The dead can't eat, we mourn by eating in their stead.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Internet Kraken posted:

How exactly do you setup the fanmade launcher?

You double-click the .exe

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Well that was easier than I expected for Commander. The tower mission was a bit of a joke as I blew half of it up (including a pod of three that took cover against the objective wall only to eat a Blaster Launcher). The final mission was completely under control even when I mistakenly triggered two Gatekeepers and Codexes; I took maybe one shot all the way up to the Avatar room thanks to pacing the Commander's Mind Control which appears to be a forgiving guaranteed hit on Andromedons. The reinforcements didn't do much better. A Sectopod + 2× Heavy MEC pack wasn't much of a problem thanks to having an e-War specialist on the team, and my Sharpshooter was able to Serial down eight aliens in a go or Rapid Fire on exposed Avatars. Mind control wasn't even a problem thanks to the buddy system. Pinning them down with Frost Bombs is basically cheating, so I brought two and totalled three with the freeze from the Serpent Armor.

Some observations:

-If you save enough AP and play your covert ops right you can bring one Specialist to the final mission with 150 ~200 hack after medpack and skulljack. Such a soldier probably outscores the utility of a Reaper on a map full of fuel cells.

-Lightning Hands is worth it on every Sharpshooter even if you've built them a Killzone / Serial rifle that out-shoots the Darklance.


That was fun. Now to uninstall and go outside until Forza 7 drops because that was ~100 hours and I am not playing Legendary this year.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Sep 25, 2017

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Taffer posted:

This triggered my ptsd

the universal greeting for xcom fans, circa 2010

"gently caress thin men"

'WHY, gently caress THIN MEN INDEED, BROTHER/SISTER! A FINE gently caress THIN MEN TO YOU TOO!'

Pumpkinreaper
Jan 19, 2010

Shumagorath posted:

Some observations:

-If you save enough AP and play your covert ops right you can bring one Specialist to the final mission with ~150 hack after medpack and skulljack. Such a soldier probably outscores the utility of a Reaper on a map full of fuel cells.

Only? I had 200 on one with the skulljack and gremlin III.

Still not enough to guarantee hacking sectopods though =(


Thin Men: They make vipers look like a downgrade. Full cover? Crit kill. Too low a chance to hit you? Spit poison and immediately make your soldier panic. Flanking one? Haha, enjoy the area denial poison cloud you poo poo.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

When the game came out I was disappointed that Vipers were not the game ending Thin Men of yore.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Annointed posted:

When the game came out I was disappointed that Vipers were not the game ending Thin Men of yore.

Everyone switched to being angry at stun lancers instead.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Internet Kraken posted:

Everyone switched to being angry at stun lancers instead.

"At least Thin Men can't run across the entire map, dodge all your overwatch shots and ko your troops ." I really don't get the hate. I usually just either killed them, mimic beacon, or flashbanged them so they couldn't do their Fun Lancing. The only time I remember them landing a hit on me was when a Heavy Stun Lancer melee'd my Spark. It didn't go well for the Stun Lancer.

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist

marshmallow creep posted:

Tygan, maybe when I'm memorializing the dead isn't the time to ask about posing near an Advent Burger.
Where else would a corpse go, though?

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Pumpkinreaper posted:

Only? I had 200 on one with the skulljack and gremlin III.
You're probably right but I can't even go back and check my save now. He had ~129 on the character list, so if that's pre-Gremlin then he was probably close to 200 in the field. On a brand new Sectopod I think that gives you low-40 percent chance of a hack, and when you can have someone Fan Fire with Bluescreens following your Capacitor Discharge it's easier to just kill it and deal with its escort next turn (although in my case there wasn't as I executed the ice-rear end Avatar next). I would mention EMP but I had to spend THAT instagibbing a pack of three Codexes that spawned in.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Taffer posted:

This triggered my ptsd
THEY'RE ALREADY HERE

Bobcats
Aug 5, 2004
Oh
Abandoned another Classic run because I couldn't roll a Specialist after Gatecrasher. 2 scientists and two engineers mean I'm fighting Mutons and MECs with default weapons and a team of four.

Sometimes the game is too spicy. I think my strategy is going to be evac on Assassin until I can handle it.

Seeing a pack of Lost ignore Chosen and Ayys to run up on me is also very frustrating.

Bobcats fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Sep 25, 2017

SmallpoxJenkins
Jul 9, 2012


Just had my reaper take a potshot at a gatekeeper just to annoy it while it couldn't see the squad.
loving executed him.
Uh, thanks dragunova.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
I only just beat xcom ew and it was tremendously satisfying to man a Thin Men bomb mission near endgame with four Psykers.

I am having a much harder time figuring out what to prioritize now that I'm moving on to xcom 2 but i am having a blast and i want to kill more aliens.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Somberbrero posted:

i am having a blast and i want to kill more aliens.
good man

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


I felt like a big strong man when i beat commander ironman.

but legendary is too much for me. i cannot do it. i am not a good commander :(

Unormal
Nov 16, 2004

Mod sass? This evening?! But the cakes aren't ready! THE CAKES!
Fun Shoe
Uh, I got a reinforcement pod of 2 stun lancers and a captain during the first post-gatecrasher mission. End of that campaign?

Eraflure
Oct 12, 2012


Taffer posted:

I felt like a big strong man when i beat commander ironman.

but legendary is too much for me. i cannot do it. i am not a good commander :(

Just grind the early game if you really want to persevere. Early game can easily kill you if you get unlucky, make a mistake and/or don't know how to exploit the horrible AI. Always rush mags unless you get like a shotgun damage breakthrough after modular weapons, rush resistance ring + GTS, flood your GTS with rangers and shotgun your way through the early game. Mid game is a matter of alpha striking everything properly, which should be a lot easier to do with frost grenades and mimic beacons. Late game is all about not falling asleep on your keyboard as your murderbots alpha strike everything even harder.

SmallpoxJenkins
Jul 9, 2012


Unormal posted:

Uh, I got a reinforcement pod of 2 stun lancers and a captain during the first post-gatecrasher mission. End of that campaign?

I think that's normal?
From what I remember, stun lancers pretty much always show up on the early missions.

Unormal
Nov 16, 2004

Mod sass? This evening?! But the cakes aren't ready! THE CAKES!
Fun Shoe

SmallpoxJenkins posted:

I think that's normal?
From what I remember, stun lancers pretty much always show up on the early missions.

Absolutely never this early in a double pod.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Reinforcements roll like anything else, loot drops and chance to hit. He rolled a critical.

wuffles
Apr 10, 2004

Unormal posted:

Uh, I got a reinforcement pod of 2 stun lancers and a captain during the first post-gatecrasher mission. End of that campaign?

Usually. Really need that engineer and that drop usually fucks you over bad.

And no, you're really not supposed to get a reinforcement drop like that on the first guerrilla op but it does happen (now it can be 2 lancers and a priest).

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Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Taffer posted:

I felt like a big strong man when i beat commander ironman.

but legendary is too much for me. i cannot do it. i am not a good commander :(

You can do it. You just have to persevere and learn from your mistakes. Bradford believes in you!

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