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Grammarchist posted:There's a bunch of buzz about Rand Paul negotiating now, though his demands are unlikely to be met. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a brand-new bill makes it to the floor to satisfy him like the Skinny Repeal approach. Basically they're banking on Murkowski caving to Graham-Cassidy and then staying on board for whatever comes next. That buzz is Paul saying, to paraphrase, that G-C would have to no longer be G-C for him to vote on it. So yeah, that post on the last page about introducing a new bill tomorrow is kind of relevant.
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How funny is it that this Graham-Cassidy Bill is likely doomed because Rand Paul and the Zodiac Killer believe depriving 30 million people of health insurance is too loving left-wing for them. 
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Sep 24, 2017 22:36
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Seriously, ban me if Rand Paul and/or Ted Cruz vote No on any healthcare bill in next 6 days. I think they're full of poo poo.
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Sep 24, 2017 22:39
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Friendship ended with Graham-Cassidy, now ~Mystery Bill~ is my best friend
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Sep 24, 2017 22:39
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Chortles posted:This story from June about what turned out to be the BCRA has been making the rounds on liberal Twitter recently in regards to Cassidy-Graham. If the link doesn't work: The "Dallas piggy bank" is most likely Andy Beal.
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Sep 24, 2017 22:47
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To explain more, whichever intern copy-pasted sections of BCRA into GCHJ hosed up the language in the block grant section. BCRA had states either choose from a per-capita cap or a block grant. That's fine. GCHJ intended for traditional Medicaid to go to a per-capita cap and additionally give states the ability to receive a block grant based on current ACA funding, i.e., CSRs, the Medicaid expansion, etc. But someone accidentally kept the language from BCRA that says that, in states that elect to receive the block grant, the block grant will replace the Medicaid per capita cap. Oh and you can only spend 20% of the block grant on traditional Medicaid patients. In other words, any state that elects to receive the block grant would bankrupt the state Medicaid system immediately. I don't think this was intentional, and of course we're getting some new mystery bill that might fix the issue, but it's funny. Mokelumne Trekka posted:Seriously, ban me if Rand Paul and/or Ted Cruz vote No on any healthcare bill in next 6 days. I think they're full of poo poo. Clever, since nothing will come up for a vote.
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Sep 24, 2017 22:48
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Republicans simply don't have the votes no matter what they try and do here.
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viral spiral posted:How funny is it that this Graham-Cassidy Bill is likely doomed because Rand Paul and the Zodiac Killer believe depriving 30 million people of health insurance is too loving left-wing for them.
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Chortles posted:More than one cynic -- including a National Review article and some RedState comments -- have noted that Rand Paul talks to but comes from a state with a fifth of the population on Medicaid, close to that in his strongest-in-2016 regions thereof too. yeah Rand Paul is saying he's voting against because it's not conservative enough but it's really because he doesn't want to utterly gently caress his state.
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axeil posted:yeah Rand Paul is saying he's voting against because it's not conservative enough but it's really because he doesn't want to utterly gently caress his state. Wrong. He would gladly gently caress over anyone and everyone in KY out of principle, but it would probably cost him his seat come the next election cycle. It makes me sick to think about it, but it's basically an example of lust for power overriding a complete lack of human empathy.
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Sep 25, 2017 02:31
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Per Politico, a new revised G-C is being released and early details leaked. Includes federal funding increases for Arizona, Alaska, and Kentucky. What a coincidence! Rand Paul is already softening his opposition, referencing his demands and a willingness to give in. The person Cruz interviewed clarified that he meant opposition to bill without amendments, which is hardly a No.
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Sep 25, 2017 03:06
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Per Politico, a new revised G-C is being released and early details leaked. Includes federal funding increases for Arizona, Alaska, and Kentucky. What a coincidence! https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/912137145023901696 And pre-existing conditions? https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/912138241104502785
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Sep 25, 2017 03:48
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Rand Paul is already softening his opposition, referencing his demands and a willingness to give in. He could always walk it back, but...
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To update: said bribes for Alaska and Maine are 3% and 43% increases in federal funding respectively, both of which seem hilariously insufficient. Now for the part where they tacked in a bunch of stupid, insane bullshit. https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/912140318270779392 Edit: drat beaten by a loving Chortle!
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Sep 25, 2017 03:51
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Office Pig posted:To update: said bribes for Alaska and Maine are 3% and 43% increases in federal funding respectively, both of which seem hilariously insufficient. Mean while Sen. Mike Lee says he's "guaranteed" that the bill contains no "sweeteners" for Alaska. Which means no one knows what the gently caress the final form will be, and the GOP wants this done inside a single businessweek with no CBO score? If these people were the C-level suits of a company the Board of Directors would have fired them already.
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Sep 25, 2017 04:36
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Slavitt's not the only one giving the new proposal what for: https://twitter.com/jleibenluft/status/912146924454780929 https://twitter.com/charles_gaba/status/912150844161904640 And if you must have a non-Twitter take... By the way, apparently the original numbers are coming from Tom Price's HHS?
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Sep 25, 2017 04:38
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lol how do these bills just keep getting worse come winter we'll be debating a healthcare bill that just gives the poor a pair of aspirin and a broomstick to bite down on
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Sep 25, 2017 06:30
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Rhesus Pieces posted:lol how do these bills just keep getting worse No the asprin goes between your knees young lady. - An Republican Edit: But seriously all this does is basically gut the entirety of healthcare regulations and hand it over to states to say "your problem now!" And given how terribly so many state governments are run such as: failing to keep schools open, collapsing bridges, and the fact that most State legislative members are dumb as a rock to the point that they literally just copy/paste whatever ALEC hands them...means that things will only get worse. If there was any remaining debate over whether Republicans, as a party, have any actual ideas besides "burn it all down"...the healthcare debate should nail that coffin shut. Crashrat fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 06:36
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I'm now imagining a healthcare vote where once again someone introduces the exact same skinny repeal bill at the last minute to try to get anything passed.
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Sep 25, 2017 06:42
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This will be the true test of accelerationism if it passes. It's going to wreck the California and New York markets. Negative 58 billion in California alone. The only way the state governments can prevent themselves from going bankrupt would be a single payer / universal system.
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Lote posted:This will be the true test of accelerationism if it passes. It's going to wreck the California and New York markets. Negative 58 billion in California alone. Unless Sen. John Kennedy gets his way wherein an amendment would be passed to ban single-payer healthcare systems at the state level under the guise of regulating interstate commerce. And before anyone says that fails the Byrd bath (it does) there's nothing stopping the Republicans from overriding the Senate Parliamentarian. It's been done before.
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Sep 25, 2017 07:01
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So at that point, health insurance just stops existing?
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Jukebox Hero posted:So at that point, health insurance just stops existing? Especially for the poor and sick, you know the people who need it more then anyone.
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Sep 25, 2017 12:48
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Some further elaboration from Topher Spiro today on the numbers-fudging of the new C-G bill: https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/912279306461736960
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Crashrat posted:But seriously all this does is basically gut the entirety of healthcare regulations and hand it over to states to say "your problem now!" And given how terribly so many state governments are run such as: failing to keep schools open, collapsing bridges, and the fact that most State legislative members are dumb as a rock to the point that they literally just copy/paste whatever ALEC hands them...means that things will only get worse. They get the tax cuts they wanted, they get to say they fulfilled their campaign promises re: repeal...and then get to blame the inevitable healthcare issues on somebody else? Dreams do come true.
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Sep 25, 2017 14:28
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oldskool posted:They get the tax cuts they wanted, they get to say they fulfilled their campaign promises re: repeal...and then get to blame the inevitable healthcare issues on somebody else? Dreams do come true. Democrats generally get the blame for everything government-related, because they are the ones saying "government can help." Republicans just need to say "Yeah, your healthcare sucks. That's because the government is too involved. Let's cut it some more and let the markets fix it." Repeat ad infinitum. Even if the government was completely uninvolved in healthcare, Republicans would be still blaming "government" for any healthcare problems. Goodness knows they still terrify their voters with gun control laws even after Democrats backed off those.
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Sep 25, 2017 14:31
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At least CBS pool numbers are in this morning: https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/912304297072844802
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Sep 25, 2017 14:53
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https://twitter.com/nicholas_bagley/status/912295334327484416 I'm sure this isn't purposeful and meant to be abused!
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Chortles posted:At least CBS pool numbers are in this morning: As with all of these polls. Who the gently caress are the Democrats going, "Yea, this is cool"?
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KildarX posted:As with all of these polls. Who the gently caress are the Democrats going, "Yea, this is cool"? It's 1% of a subgroup in a poll with an overall MoE >3%. It's probably just some combination of: - 1 guy who actually believes it - Misheard the question - Just said whatever to get off the phone - Mentally ill
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KildarX posted:As with all of these polls. Who the gently caress are the Democrats going, "Yea, this is cool"? a jokester
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Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/nicholas_bagley/status/912295334327484416 Even the Republicans are stealing Bernie's ideas now! The irony is that this is far more coercive than the medicaid expansion, but the court will uphold it.
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Sep 25, 2017 16:11
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Trading my shitiness for actual shitiness: https://mobile.twitter.com/ericajanes/status/912333407924957184?p=v That sound you hear is Murkowski and Collins solidifying as NOs. Capito has to be one of the softer Yes votes in the caucus now, seeing Manchin's approval numbers and how GCHJ keeps getting worse.
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Also Rand Paul is still a no even though the revised bill has moved to the right: https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/912336121908121600
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I'm a little gunshy about hope at the moment, so I'm going to be miserable until at least Oct. 1. The sheer commitment the majority of the GOP has to shoving this poo poo through is terrifying.
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Grammarchist posted:I'm a little gunshy about hope at the moment, so I'm going to be miserable until at least Oct. 1. The sheer commitment the majority of the GOP has to shoving this poo poo through is terrifying. after october 1st you get to worry about if graham succeeds in shoving repeal instructions into the tax cut reconciliation budget! fortunately though since they only get one shot at that they need to work out what amount of deficit-funded tax cuts for the rich they want to pair with cuts to medical care for the poor (explicitly, in the very same bill) so at least we'll have some downtime before they try another surprise
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Sep 25, 2017 17:00
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https://twitter.com/benwikler/status/912324082783240192 Let's loving hope so
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