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Why would you tear up our existing welfare infrastructure when (if it were used correctly and not just to funnel money to job agencies) you could use it to better implement UBI?
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Because UBI is a trojan horse. It's going to go the same way as deinstitutionalisation, where the left and the right both agreed that keeping people in mental asylums was a bad idea but for very different reasons. Once the asylums were shut down and the former patients were out on the street the right stopped caring.
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open24hours posted:Because UBI is a trojan horse. A trojan horse for what? What's lurking inside/behind it in your opinion?
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Sep 25, 2017 01:50
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Nothing new or exciting, just further cuts to welfare and a shifting of responsibility from the state to individuals.
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Hello, thread! How are you? I've been so busy. First I was busy making a comic, then I was busy recording an album to promote that comic. There was talk of bandcamp links in this thread, earlier in the month, so: https://patrickalexander.bandcamp.com/album/tobias-and-jube-and-the-something-hat-mystery-the-euphonious-companion  And to keep it relevant, the first song I'm pushing is this one!  Most of the major characters from the comic have their own song on the album. This one's a sort of worldbuilding-y side story about Leroy, a wizard, trying to teach magic to his apprentice dad. Dad has learned everything but, just like a dad, isn't willing to complete any magic spells by kissing a man. Such an easy thing to do, such a small and simple act, and the results would be literally magical; the world would be filled with colour and wonders; it is within his merest grasp, but, nup. He's just not gonna do it. Jesus christ, Dad. Get it? GET IT??? Anyway — please listen and enjoy! And pass it along if you want to. I'm gonna try to push this at radio stations too, when I have the time. It's just me promoting this so I have to do it bit by bit, whenever and however. But it would be fun and cool to hear that these songs were on Triple J or something.
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Sep 25, 2017 02:14
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One of the great contemporary arguments to throw at conservatives is the idea that money in a modern economy is basically an unlimited resource which is only constrained by how fast we want to create it. If you consider an economy the size of Australia a single dollar is almost (but not quite) meaningless in the grand scheme of things, so it is trivial to just create more of them.
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IF UBI also applied to children, following a simple increasing by age amount until they reach 16/18/20 (whatever was decided). Then single Mom needs more help would be less of an issue. Not to mention, how does an MP not see tax, or tax credits as a way of getting around giving a CEO a UBI as well? As for bringing robots into it, we have to. They are literally stomping along the horizon. We will soon have driverless cars (they already exist, we just need to legislate them). How many jobs will cease to exist? Taxi, uber, chaffeur, truck driver, mobile ad truck driver. Truck driver. How many truck drivers are there in Australia? Menial labour jobs are on the way out, supervisor jobs are on the way in. There will either be less jobs as we move to a robot slave economy, in which case, only the rich will benefit, or we will need to create new creativity based jobs and mitigate the issues caused by automation.
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Sep 25, 2017 02:49
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People are being displaced by technology now, and have been for centuries. Any idea that is a good idea with robots is a good idea without robots. The same predictions that are currently being made about robots were previously made about every new technology from the loom to computers and most people still work. Framing this as a technological rather than a political issue is missing the point, and it gives right wing people an opportunity to make 'there is no alternative' arguments.
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Sep 25, 2017 03:02
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open24hours posted:People are being displaced by technology now, and have been for centuries. Any idea that is a good idea with robots is a good idea without robots. It's true that this has been happening for centuries, but I feel like the rate of change and the potential scope is unprecedented and will challenge the way individuals exist within an economy and the way in which we view the idea of "work".
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Sep 25, 2017 03:15
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I don't disagree, I just don't see what's novel about it. The way people work now is very different to the way people worked 50 years ago, and the way people worked 50 years ago was very different to the way people worked 50 years before that. Companies like Uber and others in the 'gig economy' are a far greater threat to workers' rights than robots will ever be.
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So Labor man is concerned about single mom's even though last time Labor were in government, they specifically made newstart changes that were a huge negative for single moms doing it tough (though tbf he wasn't actually sitting in parliament at the time)
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Gillard has since stated repeatedly that she regrets that (even though regretting it now does not change things lol). Those changes were made on the same day as her misogyny speech FYI.
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quote:Cruel Irony: LJ Hooker Girl Unlikely To Ever Own A Home http://www.betootaadvocate.com/advocate-in-focus/cruel-irony-lj-hooker-girl-unlikely-ever-home/
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DOG NEWS DOG NEWS DOG NEWS DOG NE http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-25/border-collie-gathering-fundraising-effort/8980734 quote:A colossal number of border collies have set tails, but also tongues, wagging north of Adelaide, creating what their owners say is a world record in the process.  
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Sep 25, 2017 03:52
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I think there's a religion about this.
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Sep 25, 2017 03:55
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Aaah I want to be at the dog festival
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Sep 25, 2017 04:25
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so who was behind the yes vote SMS? how did they get everyones number? why is there no contact information to request unsubscribing?
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Sep 25, 2017 04:35
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So, Australian Space Agency - legitimate attempt at something good or just adding an additional layer of bureaucracy?
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Sep 25, 2017 04:37
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Laserface posted:so who was behind the yes vote SMS? I gave it to them
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Laserface posted:so who was behind the yes vote SMS? It's not a commercial message so doesn't have to.
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Sep 25, 2017 04:39
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If you got a yes vote SMS it means your kids have been signed up to safe schools.
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Sep 25, 2017 04:39
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Laserface posted:so who was behind the yes vote SMS? The numbers were randomly generated, there is nothing to unsubscribe from
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Sep 25, 2017 04:40
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Laserface posted:so who was behind the yes vote SMS? Australian Marriage Equality sent them using a randomised computer generator. It's been compared to the robocalls the no campaign is using to bullshit about boys in dresses
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Sep 25, 2017 04:41
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Re: Communicating with Chinese Australians Launched today: https://cn.theaustralian.com.au/ We are all hosed.
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Anidav posted:Re: Communicating with Chinese Australians Are they automatically translating their articles? Chromes translation works perfectly on that which is a little odd.
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Sep 25, 2017 04:53
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Senor Tron posted:Are they automatically translating their articles? Chromes translation works perfectly on that which is a little odd. I'm gonna laugh so hard if this is just machine translated.
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Senor Tron posted:So, Australian Space Agency - legitimate attempt at something good or just adding an additional layer of bureaucracy? No idea. Apparently in past we had some legal problems that blocked commercial spaceflight from operating well in Australia so hopefully this will help with that. In theory Australia is actually a fantastic place for a space industry. We're rich and have a high-tech, highly educated base along with mainland territories within 11 degrees of the equator, which is a huge launch advantage. A Cape York spaceport could be extremely competitive. So now we watch politics go and pork the launch site to South Australia.
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NPR Journalizard posted:The numbers were randomly generated, there is nothing to unsubscribe from I wonder if there is any record of if a number was a hit or not. I mean, I voted yes, but much like skywriting I dont think anyone swayed by it was ever going to vote yes.
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Turnbull might be undond by a lot of hot airquote:The looming gas crisis is three times worse than previously thought, according to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, who has ordered gas giants and state governments to shore up gas supplies to east coast consumers or face strict export limits. Anidav posted:Re: Communicating with Chinese Australians loving hell this is becoming more and more clear the right has seen the writing on the wall and we're not playing catch up
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Laserface posted:I wonder if there is any record of if a number was a hit or not. I was out at lunch with friends when it came through. In a group of 4 of us the only one who got it is a NZ citizen lol
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Sep 25, 2017 05:21
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More coal!
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Senor Tron posted:So, Australian Space Agency - legitimate attempt at something good or just adding an additional layer of bureaucracy? This is something that has made sense in the Australian scientific community for a long time. We have expertise in space tracking and observation, a long history of international scientific collaboration, as well as a large pool of educated engineers, an advanced industrial capacity, and the means to educate people into the industry. We also have the right geographic conditions, so it makes sense to close the loop and become fully vertically integrated, from design, to production, launch and maintenance. The issue will as always come down to funding. Will this be a public venture with support from new local businesses, or will it simply be a means to funnel tax incentives and loans to companies like SpaceX. This is coming from the party that butchered the NBN to appease corporate interests, so I'm not holding my breath. Actions speak louder than words. So let's see if they will actually put in the money to build a space launch centre first.
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I reckon they will absolutely fund it properly because interplanetary colonisation is the only solution to climate change the wealthy can stomach.
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G-Spot Run posted:I reckon they will absolutely fund it properly because interplanetary colonisation is the only solution to climate change the wealthy can stomach. I'm sensing a solution to the housing affordability crisis
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Laserface posted:I wonder if there is any record of if a number was a hit or not. The whole driving point for the 'Yes' campaign, or at least a major part of it, has been to get out the vote. I don't think automated contacts like this work well, but I can see the logic of it being a way to get into contact with people that just can't be feasibly contacted in any more targeted way. For example I'm not on many lists, live in a fourteen-floor apartment building with a lot of security, and don't use any major public transport stations; that rules out targeted mailouts, local letterboxing, doorknocking, phonebanking in almost all cases (political parties would have my number from the electoral roll), and stalls at stations, which are most of the good tactics, and only really leaves you with inefficient ways to actually talk to me to get your message out. But all that text was trying to do was remind people; most of Australia supports marriage equality, but most Australians are also lazy, and that mass text just might remind them to actually go down to the postbox. Granted, it probably also pissed off a bunch of 'No' voters into getting off their asses too. It is comparable to the 'No' campaign's robocalls, yes, but I think it's a bit more effective at its goal. The robocalls were push-polling, which requires far more engagement and attention span from the other end and is trying to convince people in a way that's totally unsuited for it.
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Cleretic posted:The whole driving point for the 'Yes' campaign, or at least a major part of it, has been to get out the vote. I don't think automated contacts like this work well, but I can see the logic of it being a way to get into contact with people that just can't be feasibly contacted in any more targeted way. For example I'm not on many lists, live in a fourteen-floor apartment building with a lot of security, and don't use any major public transport stations; that rules out targeted mailouts, local letterboxing, doorknocking, phonebanking in almost all cases (political parties would have my number from the electoral roll), and stalls at stations, which are most of the good tactics, and only really leaves you with inefficient ways to actually talk to me to get your message out. But all that text was trying to do was remind people; most of Australia supports marriage equality, but most Australians are also lazy, and that mass text just might remind them to actually go down to the postbox. Granted, it probably also pissed off a bunch of 'No' voters into getting off their asses too. On the other hand, sending an uninvited text message is largely being labelled as an invasion of privacy and as someone who values privacy beyond 'got nothing to hide then nothing to worry about' I found it a little annoying, especially considering that there is probably a lot of cross-over between Privacy advocates and SSM advocates. It shouldnt be lost on them how this comes across to the public. I mean the whole loving thing is a shitshow from top to bottom and we shouldnt have to tell our elected officials how we want the country to be run and here we are with people on both sides of the argument using lovely tactics to push an agenda.
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G-Spot Run posted:I reckon they will absolutely fund it properly because interplanetary colonisation is the only solution to climate change the wealthy can stomach. Fire the wealthy into the
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quote:A 22-year-old woman was left terrified on Sunday night after a man hurled rocks through the window of her Brisbane home and yelled homophobic slurs. I'm sure this will receive just as much coverage and condemnation as Abbott's fat lip
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Laserface posted:On the other hand, sending an uninvited text message is largely being labelled as an invasion of privacy and as someone who values privacy beyond 'got nothing to hide then nothing to worry about' I found it a little annoying, especially considering that there is probably a lot of cross-over between Privacy advocates and SSM advocates. It shouldnt be lost on them how this comes across to the public. Oh yeah, I should say I don't think it's a good idea for them to do it like this. I'm just pointing out the logic behind doing so. I think we're seeing issues with an optional voting campaign in a country that's not used to or prepared for it. Campaigns don't know quite where the lines are for doing a get out the vote campaign, and the general public doesn't really have enough experience with it to know either until somebody crosses it.
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