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vains posted:you're huffing fellow internet leftist farts or you've never been to the third world. Doesn't mean we are not well on our way. psydude posted:Empty quoting this. Did we discover the cure to poverty while we were stripping medicaid and welfare and screaming about Bootstraps?
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Waroduce posted:Like America should have a super robust safety net but America is also in a very unique situation geo-strategically in that we are ALWAYS the away team. not just the away team, we're the away team like an NFL team in lodnon. our logistical footprint is loving mindboggoling when you look at the rest of the world and getting beans bullets and bodies to wherever they need to be is loving expensive. Our logistical tail is so incredibly complex it almost gets my dick hard from a project management perspective so yeah we need and should spend a bunch of money and significantly more money than everyone else doing that kind of poo poo IDK man a bunch of people in the army thread are saying we don't need all those loggies and that we'd be fine with nothing but grunts,
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CommieGIR posted:Did we discover the cure to poverty while we were stripping medicaid and welfare and screaming about Bootstraps? Dude poverty in the US doesn't come anything close to what exists in other countries. We have a minimal and lovely safety net in the US that needs massive overhaul, but we don't have large portions of our country literally starving to death or dying from easily preventable diseases like cholera and dysentery (like literally stuff that can be fixed with gatorade). If we get to that point, come and give me all the hot internet takes you want. psydude fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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psydude posted:If we get to that point, come and give me all the hot internet takes you want. *glances at the current Government* You were saying? In other non-poverty news, Milo cancelled his Free Speech event at Berkeley, probably because they were going to allow him to have free speech, thus nullifying the purpose of the event... http://www.npr.org/2017/09/22/55242...ontent=20170922
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CommieGIR posted:Doesn't mean we are not well on our way. poverty in developing countries is more like living on less than a dollar a day. this is no bullshit. america's poverty line would go ridiculously far to improving almost every country in africa to an exponential degree. you know what people here have when they are below the poverty line? cell phones. you know what people in places like western Kenya have that improves their quality of life a shitload? fuckin mosquito nets. like yeah we need to solve america's poverty problems, but it would take the entire country collapsing (like literally, a huge sinkhole swallowing every major city and every major financial district) for us to be even close to the poverty in a lot of developing countries, and even then we would still probably be rich as gently caress in comparison. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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BadOptics posted:Or we could invest that money into healthcare, education, school nutrition programs, etc that would all have a positive effect on not only the military but American society as a whole. Maybe even throw some of that $$$ to the VA to make sure those who served their country are cared for properly by a well-staffed and functioning organization. I will admit it's not as sexy as the 500th M1 Abrams the Army doesn't want, another tomahawk to blow up some insurgents armed with AK's, or providing Boeing/LockMart CEOs with retirement parachutes, but maybe we could give it a try. Or... leave military funding where its at, maybe get more for upkeep and withdraw for the money sink that is forever war so we recover our rediness Then you tax the rich to raise education and healthcare spending to double that of military spending!
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:poverty in developing countries is more like living on less than a dollar a day. http://www.npc.umich.edu/publications/u/2016-07-npc-working-paper.pdf Framing it as 'Well, at least its not as bad as Africa' isn't actually helping your argument, nor does it excuse our poverty issues in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth, as you yourself pointed out, and its only going to get worse as wealth is further concentrated into the hands of even fewer. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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Sep 26, 2017 02:01
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Why not tax the rich and increase both military spending and civilian spending which translates to healthier and smarter soldiers to feed into the forever war meat grinder? v v
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Waroduce posted:im working a lovely town in WV with a very expensive private hospital for some reason can someone post hot takes while i poo poo post from a Buffalow wild wing Opening few minutes: Graham - "Well gosh guys, I just want us all to have the peachiest health care, but think of the costs!" Bernie - "THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL YOU ALL" Cassidy - "Patients choice, the UK NHS sucks!" Klobuchar - "Bernie's the bad cop, I'm the good one"
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M_Gargantua posted:Or... leave military funding where its at, maybe get more for upkeep and withdraw for the money sink that is forever war so we recover our rediness That would work too. Definitely not saying our spending should be $0 and I would agree with adjusting where the current cash flow is going.
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CommieGIR posted:http://www.npc.umich.edu/publications/u/2016-07-npc-working-paper.pdf saying we are on our way to third world status, or that we are in any way comparable, is stupid. we have a loooooooooooonnnggg way to go and it will likely never occur in any of our lifetimes. we are easily one of the most developed and affluent countries on the planet and i think only sweden is higher on the HDI scale than the US. to compare us to a third world country makes you look like you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Sep 26, 2017 02:09
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The third world classification specifically excludes Russian client states so by definition rural america cannot be a third world country.
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Sep 26, 2017 02:11
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Service shouldn't guarantee citizenship but it should absolutely grant free healthcare for life, which would drag several currently extreme things towards a more reasonable center.
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Zeris posted:Service shouldn't guarantee citizenship but it should absolutely grant free healthcare for life, which would drag several currently extreme things towards a more reasonable center. It should also guarantee a full ride scholarship. Y'know, rather than insane $30-50k educations.
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Sep 26, 2017 02:13
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its not as bad as africa JUST BE GRATEFUL U LIVE IN AMERICA AND U BETTER STAND FOR THE ANTHEM
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Sep 26, 2017 02:14
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Proud Christian Mom posted:its not as bad as africa JUST BE GRATEFUL U LIVE IN AMERICA AND U BETTER STAND FOR THE ANTHEM Yo that's totally what we're saying. e: The "US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY" line of thought encourages people to think that we don't need to spend money on foreign aid, thereby hurting people who need it. It's not a zero sum game. We can spend money on both. psydude fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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Immanentized posted:Secret Service, FBI, and other orgs at the data breach summit all seem to conclude that the breaches are going to get worse before they get better. I've always speculated that our government is so bad at cyber war because that movie trope where a kid hacks the pentagon and gets hired by the government is the opposite of the truth- he gets thrown in federal prison and banned from ever touching a computer again. Meanwhile in Russia and China they actually do get scooped up to work for the government. Is there anything to that?
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Arven posted:I've always speculated that our government is so bad at cyber war because that movie trope where a kid hacks the pentagon and gets hired by the government is the opposite of the truth- he gets thrown in federal prison and banned from ever touching a computer again. Meanwhile in Russia and China they actually do get scooped up to work for the government. Is there anything to that? I figured it was that our hacker culture is either libertarian or anarchist, either way pretty anti-patriotic and anti-authority. Russia and China groom authoritarian hackers.
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Opening few minutes: Bernie is right, we all die eventually and they're trying to speed up the process. Forever war is turbo boost. CommieGIR posted:It should also guarantee a full ride scholarship. College underfunding + tuition gouging + underpaying teachers is a whole nother can of worms that we need to address as soon as we have the energy for. Or address it now along with medicaid for all, i'd be for it. Overwhelming progress.
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Healthcare town hall is something. Lindsey Graham, thinks that South Carolina, and every other state is gonna legislate to keep the pre-existing conditions clause, and that oh lordy why can't we just let the states innovate!
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i hate this guy's face i hate it i hate it a lot
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Stultus Maximus posted:I figured it was that our hacker culture is either libertarian or anarchist, either way pretty anti-patriotic and anti-authority. Russia and China groom authoritarian hackers. Yes and no. The Russian government coerces a lot of criminal elements into helping them by allowing them to continue operating so long as they pitch in every once and a while.
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KildarX posted:Healthcare town hall is something. Lindsey Graham, thinks that South Carolina, and every other state is gonna legislate to keep the pre-existing conditions clause, and that oh lordy why can't we just let the states innovate! If the GOPs zombie care #18 ends up being "Let each state decide to keep obamacare or get a block grant" then all the blue states will have obamacare and all the red states will exaserbate their health problems and societal decline. Not a good outcome but, I guess federalism works? 
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psydude posted:Yo that's totally what we're saying. I'm not saying we should stop spending money on foreign aid but we shouldn't definitely stop spending money subsidizing the occupation of Palestine under the guise of foreign aid
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Internet Wizard posted:I'm not saying we should stop spending money on foreign aid but we shouldn't definitely stop spending money subsidizing the occupation of Palestine under the guise of foreign aid We should probably recognize Kurdistan as a sovereign nation and feed Bechtel a $5b development grant to upgrade it.
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KildarX posted:Healthcare town hall is something. Lindsey Graham, thinks that South Carolina, and every other state is gonna legislate to keep the pre-existing conditions clause, and that oh lordy why can't we just let the states innovate! This is especially rich because a few GOP senators were wanting to ban states from setting up single-payer systems. Please don't innovate too much!!
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Is there a term for someone who is a genius in one area and completely retarded in every other?
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The crux so far for healthcare debate Lindsay: OH WHY CANT WE ALLOW THE STATES TO BE GREAT AGAIN! I PROMISE YOU THAT SOUTH CAROLINA WONT THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS Sandman: COMMUNIST HEALTHCARE FULL STOP!! PHARMACEUTICALS AND INSURANCE PEOPLE RIPPING YOU OFF Cassady: *gargles the balls of said industries* YOU'RE A SOCIALIST AND FURTHER MORE! *swallows* Klobuchar: Why not the middle ground, where we can just have the worst of all worlds?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Is there a term for someone who is a genius in one area and completely retarded in every other?
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Sep 26, 2017 02:43
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It would be awesome if, with all the technology we have today, the moderators could do live fact checking and be like "you're full of poo poo."
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Stultus Maximus posted:Is there a term for someone who is a genius in one area and completely retarded in every other? Ben Carson
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Sep 26, 2017 02:46
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It's like he is willfully missing the point
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Ben Carson Incorrect, He's a Great Brain Surgeon, Anthropologist, and Bear translator.
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:It would be awesome if, with all the technology we have today, the moderators could do live fact checking and be like "you're full of poo poo." Youd lose ratings if you called Graham a liar in real time.
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:It would be awesome if, with all the technology we have today, the moderators could do live fact checking and be like "you're full of poo poo." There's be no debate shows and the side of the political spectrum that functions solely on lying through their teeth would end up screaming louder about media bias.
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KildarX posted:Incorrect,
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FAUXTON posted:
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M_Gargantua posted:We should probably recognize Kurdistan as a sovereign nation and feed Bechtel a $5b development grant to upgrade it. Yeah this too. It would let the Republicans piss off Iran while actually accomplishing something, while at the same time having the bonus of pissing off Turkey which is always good because Turkey is awful.
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