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Data took over bartending because he just happened to be behind the bar when the memories were wiped. This episode rules.
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Sep 27, 2017 02:55
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The possibly fake Kieran MacDuff looks kind of like Seth MacFarlane, and is also a Scotsman who snuck into TNG
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Sep 27, 2017 02:58
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E: whoops my bad lads
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Sep 27, 2017 03:00
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I wonder why the aliens put fake info on the compute about the Federation being at war
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Sep 27, 2017 03:01
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It would be so confusing if this just happened to be the first episode anyone saw.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:04
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I wonder if Troi has this extra memory of Riker because she hasn't gotten over him, or because her memories of him were messed with two episodes ago (just kidding I know it wouldn't have that much continuity)
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Sep 27, 2017 03:07
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Haha oh poo poo Ro Laren waiting in his room in her underwear
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Sep 27, 2017 03:08
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Riker: "What if I snore in my sleep?" Ro: "What makes you think you're gonna get any sleep?" 
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Sep 27, 2017 03:09
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I seriously cannot wait for Ro and Riker to remember that when their memories come back
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Sep 27, 2017 03:09
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Data: "I may represent an entire race of artificial life forms."
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Sep 27, 2017 03:15
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Riker: "William T. Riker takes his vacations on a planet called... Ri-sa." And he even says it while holding the gently caress idol
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Sep 27, 2017 03:18
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Yes, Ro walked in on Riker and Troi just as they started figuring out they had a relationship (and haven't realized it's over), this is exactly what I was hoping would happen.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:19
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Having Riker and Ro Laren's memories erased actually seems to be helping them work through their problems Can you imagine how much good it would do Ro Laren to have her autobiographical memories wiped? She grew up in a refugee camp and after clawing her way out of that and into the Academy and onto a Starfleet ship she made a decision that got her whole away team killed and got herself thrown in jail.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:26
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Jeb! Repetition posted:It would be so confusing if this just happened to be the first episode anyone saw. I remember watching it as a kid back when it was syndicated on WPWR Channel 50 in Chicago and you'd have a premier and like 4 new episodes then reruns then suddenly a few more new episodes then more reruns and then....basically there was no way to really follow everything unless you marked a calendar or just watched every week regardless. But yeah- Conundrum was an episode where I tuned in and was like "wait is this a new season?"
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Sep 27, 2017 03:28
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Jesus the Enterprise is just stomping on the Lissians (if they exist)
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Sep 27, 2017 03:29
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Said this before but I love when they talk about stuff like laser cannons and magnetic warheads that are futuristic but totally obsolete in the 24th century.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:31
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Sep 27, 2017 03:32
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Oh MacFarlane was actually trying to kill the Lissians? I thought for sure he was just a standard godlike being/race testing them.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:33
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Troi and Ro just owned Riker, that's nice inversion of how it would go in most shows where they'd be fighting each other.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:36
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I think that might be one of my top 5 episodes so far.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:37
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Sep 27, 2017 03:38
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Conundrum is one of my favorite pointless fun episodes of Trek. It doesn't really move the characters anywhere, it doesn't really have a moral (except maybe don't be a warmongering psychopath but that's not exactly high philosophy), it's just fun character bits and some (mostly) good actors getting to have some fun. It's like a good MU episode, basically.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:58
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I like that model, it's nice and weird
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Sep 27, 2017 03:58
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I like that model, it's nice and weird It's used twice. It's also God.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:09
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Jeb! Repetition posted:It would be so confusing if this just happened to be the first episode anyone saw. It's even worse when you think you've already seen every episode of TNG. And then you tune in part-way through this episode. I was  ing through the rest of it.Watching reruns of TNG after it ended and I somehow consistently missed this episode and The First Duty for nearly a decade. An absolute jaw-dropping experience to see new (to me) episodes of TNG in the mid-2000s.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:21
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Orv posted:Conundrum is one of my favorite pointless fun episodes of Trek. It doesn't really move the characters anywhere, it doesn't really have a moral (except maybe don't be a warmongering psychopath but that's not exactly high philosophy), it's just fun character bits and some (mostly) good actors getting to have some fun. It's like a good MU episode, basically. It may not have an explicit moral, but it's a pretty good commentary on human character, or at least the character of these characters. Even after having their minds wiped and being fed false information about an urgent war that needs to be won at all costs, they use both reason and instinct to realize that the situation is wrong and slaughtering the helpless isn't the right choice, no matter how dire the situation seems on the surface. Hm.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:26
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Doggles posted:Watching reruns of TNG after it ended and I somehow consistently missed this episode and The First Duty for nearly a decade. An absolute jaw-dropping experience to see new (to me) episodes of TNG in the mid-2000s. I'd never seen Starship Mine until about 4 years ago, what an absolute treat of an episode to discover 
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Sep 27, 2017 04:27
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McSpanky posted:It may not have an explicit moral, but it's a pretty good commentary on human character, or at least the character of these characters. Even after having their minds wiped and being fed false information about an urgent war that needs to be won at all costs, they use both reason and instinct to realize that the situation is wrong and slaughtering the helpless isn't the right choice, no matter how dire the situation seems on the surface. Looking for deeper meaning is how we got Discovery.  No yeah, that's a pretty good takeaway despite the casualness of the episode.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:29
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I watched TNG a ton as a kid and teenager but somehow I never saw "Pen Pals" until I watched through the complete series on Netflix in 2012 or so.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:30
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There's a few "handsome diplomat boards the Enterprise and stuff happens" episodes of TNG that seem new to me every time I watch them, but that's because my eyes and brain glaze over ten minutes in.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:34
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McSpanky posted:Even after having their minds wiped and being fed false information about an urgent war that needs to be won at all costs, they use both reason and instinct to realize that the situation is wrong and slaughtering the helpless isn't the right choice, no matter how dire the situation seems on the surface. That, and the fact that even with their memories wiped, they seem to subconsciously fall back to their training: Picard is sitting at navigation, but he still wonders aloud about the wisdom of doing something, like a good captain (I can't remember details; it's been a while since I've seen the episode). Beverly doesn't remember that she's CMO, but she's still able to operate medical equipment to help someone sitting in sickbay. Even if the ending is somewhat predictable, I've always thought that was a cool aspect of this episode.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:34
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Pakled posted:I watched TNG a ton as a kid and teenager but somehow I never saw "Pen Pals" until I watched through the complete series on Netflix in 2012 or so. Sarjenka gave me the drat creeps when it first aired and she still kind of does.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:36
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McSpanky posted:It may not have an explicit moral, but it's a pretty good commentary on human character, or at least the character of these characters. Even after having their minds wiped and being fed false information about an urgent war that needs to be won at all costs, they use both reason and instinct to realize that the situation is wrong and slaughtering the helpless isn't the right choice, no matter how dire the situation seems on the surface. Yeah it's funny how 90s Trek has all the answers to the questions that post 9/11 Trek thinks is hard.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:40
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:That, and the fact that even with their memories wiped, they seem to subconsciously fall back to their training: Picard is sitting at navigation, but he still wonders aloud about the wisdom of doing something, like a good captain (I can't remember details; it's been a while since I've seen the episode). Beverly doesn't remember that she's CMO, but she's still able to operate medical equipment to help someone sitting in sickbay. Even if the ending is somewhat predictable, I've always thought that was a cool aspect of this episode. Conundrums has a great bit of writing where if you pay attention, Picard is making all the decisions even though he's made no overt attempt to assert authority. It's a fantastic piece of characterization.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:41
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Arglebargle III posted:Yeah it's funny how 90s Trek has all the answers to the questions that post 9/11 Trek thinks is hard.
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Sep 27, 2017 04:44
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McSpanky posted:It may not have an explicit moral, but it's a pretty good commentary on human character, or at least the character of these characters. Even after having their minds wiped and being fed false information about an urgent war that needs to be won at all costs, they use both reason and instinct to realize that the situation is wrong and slaughtering the helpless isn't the right choice, no matter how dire the situation seems on the surface. Also we learn that Ro Laren loves to gently caress that information was vital to my young mind Arglebargle III posted:Yeah it's funny how 90s Trek has all the answers to the questions that post 9/11 Trek thinks is hard. Fuuuuuuuuuck that should be the quote on a ship's commissioning plaque
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Sep 27, 2017 04:46
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How many years after 9/11 do we have to wait before a story that has some war conflict can't be dismissed as "post-9/11". Is Game of Thrones "post-9/11'? Like, would the Dominion War be "GRIM DARK post-9/11" had it aired a few years later? Yes, I know what people will say. There were many non-dark episodes of DS9 where the Federation ideals were tested but prevailed. I know that. People are throwing the weirdest shade at a show with two episodes. Like... why?
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Echo Chamber posted:How many years after 9/11 do we have to wait before a story that has some war conflict can't be dismissed as "post-9/11". Is Game of Thrones "post-9/11'? Because it sucks, next question. I don't really see how its unreasonable to look at the portrayal of the Klingons in STD and see how they're basically all of middle class America's anxieties about the Middle East combined.
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