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Know Such Peace posted:Are you by chance a fan of the blogger The Last Psychiatrist? The blog morphed over several years from an insider's guide to everything wrong with modern psychiatry to a blog about how baby boomers and generation x have destroyed future generations with their rampant narcissism. He got doxxed in 2014 and abruptly stopped updating, and his internet absence has left a hole that Chapo just barely manages to fill on their best days. No, gently caress this guy, gently caress his beliefs, gently caress his whole lovely gimmick. This isn't Chapo, this isn't anything like Chapo. Unless he's talking about actual literal kung fu fights against ninjas (he isn't) this is a liberal centrist whining about participation trophies with the language of mental health. I guarantee you this shitstain voted for Hillary because America Is Great Already and anyone who says we can do better is a snowflake who needs to Grow Up. He's a little right in saying that a better life won't be downloaded to you by some guy over a phone, but Chapo says as much. As they say right in the show, listening to a podcast is not doing politics, and change takes real actual hard work. He might have a point about vanity and narcissism in men, the way Snow Crash wrote about dudes' tendancy to incorrectly imagine themselves as badasses, but you know what? Chapo says gently caress that too. You, too, can be an actual literal nazi-puncher, and according to Chapo, it's awesome and right when you do. Maybe that's not the same as kung fu fighting ninjas (that aren't actually in The Matrix) but it's about even with Indiana Jones.
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Desus & Mero rule and are the second best thing on Vice behind Nirvanna the Band the Show and if you disagree you're a real sack of poo poo.
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Skyscraper posted:He might have a point about vanity and narcissism in men, the way Snow Crash wrote about dudes' tendancy to incorrectly imagine themselves as badasses, but you know what? Chapo says gently caress that too. You, too, can be an actual literal nazi-puncher, and according to Chapo, it's awesome and right when you do. Maybe that's not the same as kung fu fighting ninjas (that aren't actually in The Matrix) but it's about even with Indiana Jones. The difference is also that Chapo doesn't have Amber pop in and go "On my upbringing I have noticed quite some racism, and that's fundamental to pander to if you actually want to improve real people's conditions instead of idpol poo poo like blm or fight for 15. Plz ignore like every piece on my site that shits on improving worker's conditions bc Fidel Castro is bad or the recruitment propaganda or any other awful poo poo my colleagues would scream at if it was on an actual paper of note."
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Neon Belly posted:They love to say "lol triggered" but don't care that Trump has been tweeting about the NFL for days. When they say "people are to easily offended these days" they mean "I can't be openly racist and sexist anymore" they have never ever cared about free speech.
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conservatives are the loving easiest people in the world to "trigger" yet they have zero self awareness about it, it rules
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I want Chapo to talk about the Ken Burns Vietnam series, because it's powerful.
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Skyscraper posted:Unless he's talking about actual literal kung fu fights against ninjas (he isn't) this is a liberal centrist whining about participation trophies with the language of mental health. So you didn't read the article? That's fine. It's weird to criticize it though.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I want Chapo to talk about the Ken Burns Vietnam series, because it's powerful. I've yet to see it myself, but it seems John Pilger's not a fan.
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TomViolence posted:I've yet to see it myself, but it seems John Pilger's not a fan. This is a valid critique, but I still found the file footage and interviews with vets, particularly the ones with Viet Minh soldiers, to be worth the time.
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Know Such Peace posted:So you didn't read the article? That's fine. It's weird to criticize it though.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:This is a valid critique, but I still found the file footage and interviews with vets, particularly the ones with Viet Minh soldiers, to be worth the time. yea it's an excellent documentary that absolutely deserves some critiques regardless. Pilger's take is very good on it even as someone who enjoyed it. The constant search for 'meaning' in what were wars of pure imperialism is a really absurd and downright sociopath trait of the 'intellectual left' where they're willing to agree these wars were horrific acts that destroyed countless but they had to happen for a REASON and it can't just be we're an imperial force in the world that wanted to grind opposition into dust.
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TomViolence posted:I've yet to see it myself, but it seems John Pilger's not a fan. Harsh, but I found the documentary got harsher on the US as it went along and it gives the vietnamese equal billing for once.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Harsh, but I found the documentary got harsher on the US as it went along and it gives the vietnamese equal billing for once. yea really any doc about that war that gives equal time to locals saying 'uh actually I didn't really give a poo poo about communism or whatever I just was terrified that my home would be the next to get leveled' instantly gets a few points. It's really pathetic how rare even leftist documentaries giving time for the Vietnamese perspective beyond quick 'yea killing us wasn't nice' cuts.
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sexpig by night posted:The constant search for 'meaning' in what were wars of pure imperialism is a really absurd and downright sociopath trait of the 'intellectual left' where they're willing to agree these wars were horrific acts that destroyed countless but they had to happen for a REASON and it can't just be we're an imperial force in the world that wanted to grind opposition into dust.
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TomViolence posted:I've yet to see it myself, but it seems John Pilger's not a fan. This sounds like Pilger has an axe to grind and wrote that article even before quickly watching only one of the ten episodes. He has a point about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which kind of disingenuously implies only the North Vietnamese saw it as an opportunity to escalate the conflict and that the US Navy was just overzealously chasing ghosts. But it admits the first attack was questionable and the second one didn't even happen - far from making it seem like a heroic fight. Not to mention its place in the documentary is sandwiched between myriad interviews and coverage of just about everyone in the US gov - going back to Truman - knowing Vietnam was a huge loving mess but steadily escalating anyway. The entire first episode frames the war as Vietnam justly seeking independence from colonial rule. I still have a couple episodes left, but unless things take a turn the documentary presents the Vietnam War as nothing short of an unnecessary tragedy for the people of Vietnam and the young men we sent there and that from the start we were never, ever going to "win."
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Halloween Jack posted:Such people seem to think that imperialism was the result of ideological frameworks like containment or domino theory or whatever, rather than those things being rationales for imperialism. Of course you can extrapolate that to many liberals' view on racism and a hell of a lot of other things. I mean if I remember correctly that's pretty much what we were taught in school in regards to imperialism.
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I haven't seen the documentary; however, I was fortunate enough to have an elective in high school that was focused only on the Vietnam War for an entire semester (on top of IB US History, etc). This is a super reductionist summation of what happened, but it's impossible to not trace the "inevitably" of the war back to imperialism being a motherfucker and then every single Western leader not giving Ho Chi Minh the time of day. It's this reactionary bullshit where being proactive isn't on the table because it's way easier to ignore every single bit of inbound information and going "oh we didn't know!" and then starting up the meat grinder because the War Machine Must Be Fed.
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The_Rob posted:I mean if I remember correctly that's pretty much what we were taught in school in regards to imperialism. pretty much, even my lefty teachers taught that imperialism was a reaction to other forces and ideologies rather than those things being convenient lampshades for imperialism. Very few people in any imperial power want to acknowledge that imperialism was just the accepted mainstream view of things even among progressive heroes and all.
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when I was in high school we got to pick from a couple books about the Viet Nam war for summer reading, almost everyone in my class went with Dispatches but I read When Heaven and Earth Changed Places, which I now think should definitely be assigned way more frequently than it is.
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cat doter posted:conservatives are the loving easiest people in the world to "trigger" yet they have zero self awareness about it, it rules They all have PTSD from the time a checkout clerk wished them happy holidays at Kroger's
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:when I was in high school we got to pick from a couple books about the Viet Nam war for summer reading, almost everyone in my class went with Dispatches but I read When Heaven and Earth Changed Places, which I now think should definitely be assigned way more frequently than it is. Fields of Fire was on the USMC Commandant's NCO reading list and I feel like I'm the only one who read it, or at least I read it with a leftist slant.
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Fields of Fire is a solid read, don't know much about the context and all it was written in proper but it's very easy to read from a leftist lens regardless edit: tbh Webb's books swing from 'batshit insane banana story' to 'actually genuinely good reads' so heavily it makes me wonder if he had a ghost writer
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Matterhorn is the best Vietnam novel I've read. It's author is all over the first two episodes of the Ken Burns documentary.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Matterhorn It's great, seconding. I also read Bloods: An Oral History of the Vietnam War by Black Veterans around the same time which I'd recommend in tandem.
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Not fully devoted to the Vietnam War, but the second half or so of Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky is a must-read for how the war was portrayed in US media at the time.
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Matt put this up on Twitter and it's exactly the sort of poo poo I'm talking about.  These depressing assholes can't even just say "Hey guys, enjoy the non-satirical adventures of Storm Saxon" for their own sake. They know this poo poo is some embarrassing bottom of the barrel poo poo, so they have to imagine that somewhere, some undergrad at Oberlin is deeply offended by their sub-Liefeld jackoff fantasy.
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So the alt right doesn't really produce any art, huh? Like, the broader political left has a ridiculous amount of writers, visual artists, bands, directors, rappers, etc, but the right-wing equivalent seems to be poo poo liek We Love Our Cops and that Liefeld ripoff super hero. The dry boys were right about their media being not only reactionary but reactive--unsubtle pastiches of poo poo that other people have done better or at least earlier.
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sexpig by night posted:yea really any doc about that war that gives equal time to locals saying 'uh actually I didn't really give a poo poo about communism or whatever I just was terrified that my home would be the next to get leveled' instantly gets a few points. It's really pathetic how rare even leftist documentaries giving time for the Vietnamese perspective beyond quick 'yea killing us wasn't nice' cuts. Reminds me of a Garth Ennis story in which a US 'observer' was sent packing after a french garrison was destroyed by locals. "This is not French Indochina. This is not French Anything. This is Vietnam." His 'Born' series for Punisher Max was pretty much the first mass media I ever read that showed Vietnam as just vile, dumb and fueled only by some crazy inevitable 'wisdom' of imperialist escalation. quote:We cannot lose in Vietnam.
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:So the alt right doesn't really produce any art, huh? Like, the broader political left has a ridiculous amount of writers, visual artists, bands, directors, rappers, etc, but the right-wing equivalent seems to be poo poo liek We Love Our Cops and that Liefeld ripoff super hero. The dry boys were right about their media being not only reactionary but reactive--unsubtle pastiches of poo poo that other people have done better or at least earlier. I guess they have Wyatt E Mann, various reddit/4 Chan bastardizers of Matt Furie and... deviantart Nazi diaper furries? Not exactly Leni Riefenstal or Hugo Boss. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:So the alt right doesn't really produce any art, huh? Like, the broader political left has a ridiculous amount of writers, visual artists, bands, directors, rappers, etc, but the right-wing equivalent seems to be poo poo liek We Love Our Cops and that Liefeld ripoff super hero. The dry boys were right about their media being not only reactionary but reactive--unsubtle pastiches of poo poo that other people have done better or at least earlier.
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Early punk rock had a lot of crossover with fascist street gangs, and I think that's when "skinhead" went from a certain group of the working class to a synonym for "Nazi." Even Ian Curtis of was obsessed with Nazis and Nazi paraphernalia, and "Joy Division" came from the place in concentration camps where Nazis kept sex slaves.
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Best book about Vietnam I've got my teeth into is Nam by Mark Baker, which is just a collection of anonymous first-hand accounts from people who were there, whether as servicemen or as medical staff or whatever. Grim reading.Halloween Jack posted:Would you count experimental industrial musicians who've been around for decades? I mean, probably not, but I mention them because Boyd Rice and Douglas Pierce were doing the same "You dumb idiot, I was using Nazi imagery ironically (although I am also actually a Nazi)" schtick before there was even Internet 1.0. Hilariously, Boyd Rice was even into tiki bars for some reason, so that's another thing he has in common with the alt-right. 
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Halloween Jack posted:Would you count experimental industrial musicians who've been around for decades? I mean, probably not, but I mention them because Boyd Rice and Douglas Pierce were doing the same "You dumb idiot, I was using Nazi imagery ironically (although I am also actually a Nazi)" schtick before there was even Internet 1.0. God drat I hate those guys. Relitigating "no, it's not a joke, and even if it is it's never been a funny or interesting one" to edgy punks has been a constant conversation in my life I'm speakong specifically of this new breed. Even with their ~*meme magic*~ the best they cam do is, like, a played-out meme or a sub-brony fan music video.
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:So the alt right doesn't really produce any art, huh? Like, the broader political left has a ridiculous amount of writers, visual artists, bands, directors, rappers, etc, but the right-wing equivalent seems to be poo poo liek We Love Our Cops and that Liefeld ripoff super hero. The dry boys were right about their media being not only reactionary but reactive--unsubtle pastiches of poo poo that other people have done better or at least earlier. art is for liberal faggots the alt-right is mostly STEM worshipping brain geniuses who could totally program the next windows if their moms didn't make them take their butt poop pills and all the colleges weren't exclusively letting in minorities
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:So the alt right doesn't really produce any art, huh? Like, the broader political left has a ridiculous amount of writers, visual artists, bands, directors, rappers, etc, but the right-wing equivalent seems to be poo poo liek We Love Our Cops and that Liefeld ripoff super hero. The dry boys were right about their media being not only reactionary but reactive--unsubtle pastiches of poo poo that other people have done better or at least earlier.
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90-minute unedited youtube rants from warty-faced, greasy-haired white guys reclining in their gaming chairs is the future of media.
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Veneration of the West, fetishization of anime: the alt-right dialectic
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I remember reading about Pat Tillman when I was little living in Arizona. I actually read this very article. I remember it because it had a black striped cover. The thing that stood out to me was what one of his family members said of his death: "when you're dead, you're loving dead." https://www.si.com/vault/2006/09/11/8386263/remember-his-name Lurks Morington fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Spoeank posted:I'm the double confed flag costume Uhhhh... Huh huh huh... Come to Butthead
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